I also grow with LEDs. I use the relatively cheap panels that some people say are weak. I agree in a small part because plants didn't stretch but didn't grow very fast, slowley in fact. Well I built panels with both LEDs and spiral Flcs and man have my plants taken off, I'm amazed at fast they grow. I tried posting some pics but after trying four formats that didn't work I gave up. Anybody know the format and size limits used here? I tried IM, Direct Link, HTML Code and IMG Code. I'm stumped.....Low