Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
I know i exist because i am thinking.
|
Well... i agree completly with it. But knowing you exist is not the same as just existing... and thats what i wished to point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
I disagree that my sense of self is as you have described, even if i had that alleged knowledge. My point was that only non humans can have an objective view about humanity.
|
You may be right... but i think differently. I strongly believe (from my own experiences) that we call our "self", our "i" is only a small part of our entire consciousness. For example, right now im looking to my computers screen. Im seeing it. And im aware that "i" am seeing it. But even if i were not aware that "i" were seeing it, still i would be seeing it.
The idea of an "i", of a self, is a thing we learn when children, from our parents and all older people, which help us to deal with the peoples world. But it is not a thing that is hardwired in our brains. Only the pure perception is. What i call "pure perception" is the ability to percieve the world without be constantly thinking "im seeing this, im hearing that, etc", the ability to just see, to just hear, without interpreting what we percieve, without fitting it into words, or concepts, or thoughts. It is a very unusual state of mind, but it can be accomplished by means of meditation, or by use of some psychedelics.
And like the idea of the self, almost all characters of "humanity" we people have are learned. When were children we learn what being a human is like, what we must do as humans, what we must feel as humans, how we must behave as humans, and so on. But they are not the only ways we can be. It is possible to think, to feel, and to behave in ways far different from the "standard" humans. But we are so used (or rather brainwashed) to be like humans that we dont even imagine we could be otherwise.
So, if a person can disentangle itself from the quirks of being human, it can actually percieve the human world as if viewed from outside. And im sure its what several mysticals, sages, and spiritual teachers did. They were able to see the human world from outside, and so they could delineate its strong and weak points, and give teachings to improve the human condition. And the fact they went outside the "normal" human scope would very well explain why their wisdom is frequently deep, far reaching, and sometimes thought as being "divinely inspirated". (Not that i dont believe in divine inspiration. But i think its not the only explanation)
BTW... If you ever had any experience with some stronger psychedelic, im sure you will understand what i meant with all this...
