I have not read or looked at SNS' site since he told me not to comment on using a procyon on his grow log site I will enjoy my growth he can enjoy his. A growing from something new it would seem to me needs more than one point of view . But that's just my opinion kind of like anyone elses in here it is all a little bit of luck and technique so I will find another source to read about using new technoligies other than a site where it is a forbidden to comment on a grow using basically the samething. Anyone else in here know of a different chat site for growing buds?