see now we are talking. yeah thats really cool of you to add some tips and pics. now that we know it can be done with grape vines I dont think other grafts will be out of reason. I think I will try a maple graft this week then. I will post pics too but im not going to do anything as high tech as yours but I will use proper cuts and wrap thread around the graft or something. maybe even plain old duct tape to hold in the moisture.