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How angry are you?

Does anyone else here become infuriated when they read about the senseless and idiotic policies and actions of the DEA and other antidrug agencies? Specifically, the attitudes towards marijuana?

Every single fucking time I read about the police/feds busting a 19 year old kid having his life ruined because he had 4 grams of pot on him, or some guy in New Mexico who is in a wheelchair growing some pot to keep himself sane and in some measure of comfort, or a MS patient with 2 plants for personal use, et al I get absolutely furious to the point I cannot even sleep. It makes no sense. None whatsoever. Even the recreational use of marijuana is far, FAR less dangerous than drinking or smoking. Politicians talk about how bad marijuana is, but yet we see advertisements on television glorifying Absolut vodka, and implying that if you drink or buy it you will get to hang out with and possibly go home with some random hot chick or guy. Nevermind that AIDS and other STDs are still a very real concern. I mean, how can you have alcohol remain legal while spewing fire and brimstone about the evils of a plant? Not that I am against alcohol - I love it, and feel that it (as well as pot) can and should be legally allowed to be used recreationally.

The idea that someone can go to jail and be permanently branded an outcast from "normal, productive" society is a ludicrous product of a narrow-minded, asinine, backwards, selfish and uneducated world/personal viewpoint.

What really compounds this whole situation is the fact that marijuana has been proven to have several valid medical uses, and is theorized to have many, many more. It helps prevent health problems that make vaporizing it somthing that I think should be part of everyone's lives.

I'm a verified, absolute stoner/pothead. I love to get high. It helps with my sciatica, my insomnia, my anxiety and generally makes me feel better. Unlike drinking, I don't stay fucked up for 8 hours without being able to function whatsoever, then have to wake up the next morning feeling like shit and knowing that my liver just had 5 years taken off of its useful life. If I vaporize a gram or two of pot, I know that my health is great, and I'll sleep well, and I may have to work just a little bit harder the next day to focus and concentrate.

I had a 3.6GPA in college. I scored in the top twenty percent on the LSAT with one lackadaisical month of preparatory studying. I work hard and believe in going to work to work. I'm really good at what I do. I have only ever been in one wreck in my entire life, I have no traffic violations on my record, I've served in the US Marine Corps, and I'm a diehard American patriot. Yet if I get caught trying to grow 3 or 4 plants so I don't have to go to the blackmarket for pot, I can be put in jail for 60 years. I love the US, but I really, really hate what the politicians are doing to it. This is MY country, and it is OUR country. It is NOT a fucking social club that politicians and ignorant policy-makers can use as their fucking fantasy kingdom. Who the fuck are they to tell my state, where the majority of people, after 11 years, still believe that marijuana is ok, that we cannot decide for ourselves what is good and bad for our society? Look at Amsterdam. Look at their crime. Look at their drug use, both "soft" and "hard".

Sorry for the rant. I just couldn't keep it in any longer. I had to get it out. It is better to put it here than to do something stupid and get myself thrown in jail.

Peaceful civil disobedience is the answer! Things are slowly changing. I'm 28 and I believe in my lifetime, at the very least, medical marijuana will be common and accepted. Let's hope for the broad legalization of marijuana, or at least, the federal decriminalization of it.

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You probably have a garden in your basement like everyone else in California. But really, it's not legal there? You're right. It's an infuriating topic but frankly it just doesn't bother enough traders in the circuit. The law is harsh. It creates an opportunity for hope but the process of change is hardly ever short, quick, and painless. The way I see it, I'm just another demanding consumer for law and lawlessness, if that makes any sense.
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No, I wish I did though.

Medical use is legal here, and generally cops are reasonable laid back about it. The DEA and feds are another story. They've already stated they don't recognize California laws, and don't really care, and will do their best to make an example of California.

Change is definitely slow, but I think it will happen. Look at most of the presidential candidates this year. The majority of them, at the least, support medical marijuana, and several support decriminalizing it.

I'm the same consumer at the moment, for better or worse.

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You probably have a garden in your basement like everyone else in California. But really, it's not legal there? You're right. It's an infuriating topic but frankly it just doesn't bother enough traders in the circuit. The law is harsh. It creates an opportunity for hope but the process of change is hardly ever short, quick, and painless. The way I see it, I'm just another demanding consumer for law and lawlessness, if that makes any sense.

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Where I live it's more a problem of state law. Second offence is a felony, even for a roach. I did 11 months for a roach in the ashtray. No why they kicked in the door, but still crazy. Needless to say we don't have medical marijuana here, not that I have any reason I would get it anyway.
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wow... what state is that? Where I live anything over 2 oz is a felony, but you can't get a felony for multiple small charges.
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Where I live it's more a problem of state law. Second offence is a felony, even for a roach. I did 11 months for a roach in the ashtray. No why they kicked in the door, but still crazy. Needless to say we don't have medical marijuana here, not that I have any reason I would get it anyway.
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Kansas. Anything over an ounce is considered intent to sell.
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Yup, my brother was given a CDS marijuana charge, now he cannot do engineering in the air force like he was going to, let alone join the air force for that matter, and also he cannot receive financial aid for college now..

The medical marijuana issue is a whole 'nother can of worms itself..Trying to fucking tell me that people just want to get high and it's not helping them, go get fucked buddy..very very compassionate towards this subject

I watched my grandpa wither into nothing from being pumped full of drugs that were supposed to help him because he had cancer, knowing what I do about medical marijuana now, had I known then maybe my grandpa would still be alive if he was puffing a j...If it was available to those who could use it, there would be a lot less deaths from terminal illnesses..Oh wait, too much money is being made from the suffering of people, the sicker they get, the more drugs they'll need..that's what big pharm wants..

They don't need people being able to grow their own medicine, they'd lose money then..

THC is one of the few things from what I understand that has possible anti-cancer properties..when mice given extreme doses can live twice as long and shrink malignant tumors I'd say that's pretty promising...but remember, marijuana's dangerous, so sick people shouldn't smoke it..instead take this pill, and if that pill makes you sick, take this other pill because it should help too, and while you're at it go ahead and buy those one pills too..Hey, how about we burn our reward system out and do some liver damage from opiate use...fuck our government....
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Every single fucking time I read about the police/feds busting a 19 year old kid having his life ruined because he had 4 grams of pot on him, or some guy in New Mexico who is in a wheelchair growing some pot to keep himself sane and in some measure of comfort, or a MS patient with 2 plants for personal use, et al I get absolutely furious to the point I cannot even sleep. It makes no sense. None whatsoever. Even the recreational use of marijuana is far, FAR less dangerous than drinking or smoking. Politicians talk about how bad marijuana is, but yet we see advertisements on television glorifying Absolut vodka, and implying that if you drink or buy it you will get to hang out with and possibly go home with some random hot chick or guy. Nevermind that AIDS and other STDs are still a very real concern. I mean, how can you have alcohol remain legal while spewing fire and brimstone about the evils of a plant? Not that I am against alcohol - I love it, and feel that it (as well as pot) can and should be legally allowed to be used recreationally.

The idea that someone can go to jail and be permanently branded an outcast from "normal, productive" society is a ludicrous product of a narrow-minded, asinine, backwards, selfish and uneducated world/personal viewpoint.

What really compounds this whole situation is the fact that marijuana has been proven to have several valid medical uses, and is theorized to have many, many more. It helps prevent health problems that make vaporizing it somthing that I think should be part of everyone's lives.
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I had a 3.6GPA in college. I scored in the top twenty percent on the LSAT with one lackadaisical month of preparatory studying. I work hard and believe in going to work to work. I'm really good at what I do. I have only ever been in one wreck in my entire life, I have no traffic violations on my record, I've served in the US Marine Corps, and I'm a diehard American patriot. Yet if I get caught trying to grow 3 or 4 plants so I don't have to go to the blackmarket for pot, I can be put in jail for 60 years. I love the US, but I really, really hate what the politicians are doing to it. This is MY country, and it is OUR country. It is NOT a fucking social club that politicians and ignorant policy-makers can use as their fucking fantasy kingdom. Who the fuck are they to tell my state, where the majority of people, after 11 years, still believe that marijuana is ok, that we cannot decide for ourselves what is good and bad for our society? Look at Amsterdam. Look at their crime. Look at their drug use, both "soft" and "hard".


Peaceful civil disobedience is the answer! Things are slowly changing. I'm 28 and I believe in my lifetime, at the very least, medical marijuana will be common and accepted. Let's hope for the broad legalization of marijuana, or at least, the federal decriminalization of it.

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While money does hold a fair amount of sway, people's attitudes are far more powerful. Since pot is the antithesis of the american ideal, it has a powerful stigma attached to it. It doesn't promote industriousness, it promotes introspection and causes people to question the purpose of the status quo. And the Mexican's seemed to like it so of course it can't be good because all they do is come over here and keep lazy americans on their toes by working so damn hard. But wait, I thought weed didn't promote industriousness? hmmmm
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I could not agree more. In fact, this brings up another point. I'm really sick of being judged because I don't necessarily want the "American Dream". I'm sick of people telling me how I should live, and what I should want. I cannot stand people calling me an idiot because I don't believe that humans were meant to work 60 hours a week. I've only got one life and I'll be damned if I am going to spend 50%+ of it working my ass off so someone else can be rich. This doesn't make me lazy.

Ironically, I'm very ambitious. The difference is I would rather work 90 hours a week for myself rather than 40 hours a week for someone else. One day I'm going to open a nice restaurant or bar, or even an Amsterdamn-style coffee shop if it ever becomes possible to do so in the US.

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Finally a thread that i cant vent some anger in!

"I could not agree more. In fact, this brings up another point. I'm really sick of being judged because I don't necessarily want the "American Dream". I'm sick of people telling me how I should live, and what I should want. I cannot stand people calling me an idiot because I don't believe that humans were meant to work 60 hours a week. I've only got one life and I'll be damned if I am going to spend 50%+ of it working my ass off so someone else can be rich. This doesn't make me lazy.

Ironically, I'm very ambitious. The difference is I would rather work 90 hours a week for myself rather than 40 hours a week for someone else. One day I'm going to open a nice restaurant or bar, or even an Amsterdamn-style coffee shop if it ever becomes possible to do so in the US."

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Yes, I am pretty damn angry. That is why I am going to vote for Ron Paul for president. You should listen to his interview by NORML. He said all federal laws having to do with marijuana should be repealed, and marijuana should be regulated at the local level (that means town ordinances people, not even state), if that.

I got busted in Maine passing a roach to a minor who did not take a hit (because he was already stoned.) Before anyone jumps down my throat about it, I know it was stupid, BUT haven't you all done the same thing? And even if you haven't that's not the point.

I am an electronics technician and a veteran of the Coast Guard. I am fiercely patriotic. I believe it is absolute bullshit that I have been charged with a misdemeanor especially in a state where weed is decriminalized to the point where you can possess 2.5 oz., and it is just a civil violation.

Also, I am having a hard time finding a lawyer. These assholes just keep passing the buck. One told me that the courthouse is a 2 hour drive, and that it wouldn't be worth it, unless it was an OUI.

Lawyers are scum. He wouldn't take the case for the same reason lawyers love to do personal injury. Just as a jury is going to have more sympathy for someone in a wheelchair, the average American jury will have more sympathy for someone endangering others' lives than someone passing a j because alcohol is so much more of an accepted drug in our society yet infinitely more harmful than cannabis.

Time is ticking for my court date, and I have already tried to contact four lawyers. One never returned my calls (the only Maine lawyer on the NORML website!), and the other three said no.

It disgusts me that thousands of other intelligent, professional, hard working, patriotic Americans go through this same bullshit every year. This is why our court systems are bogged down. We have so many ridiculous laws on the books, people write humorous books about it. Of course, the books about the ridiculous laws that are enforced are not funny.

We are so regulated and controlled. We are not as free as we used to be.

If Ron Paul does not get elected, I am seriously considering moving to Canada. I love America, but I am tired of fighting with all the bullshit here. I am not saying Canada is paradise, but there has to be something good about a country if Americans make fun of them for being polite.

And Massachusetts state government sucks ass. That has nothing to do with anything, I just thought I'd throw that in there while I'm ranting. I think I need to smoke out of my homemade bong now, and calm down.
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How angry am I?

I'm fucking pissed.

When me and my ex broke up, she called crime stoppers on me and got my house raided. I was charged with possession of about 5 grams of pot.

Not even 3 days later, she served me with family court papers in an attempt to take away all my visits to my children because I got busted.

She smokes pot...I smoke pot. The difference is that I have a criminal record because of it now and she don't.

All I can say is, "What a BITCH!" I havn't seen my two boys in over seven years becasuse of her using this bullshit conviction against me every time we go to family court.

OMG I'm so pissed....I kinda feel like this kid....

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Wow, hempfester, that is so fucked up. Yup, our government loves it when regular people surveil each other so they don't have to.
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How angry are you?

Reading the different horror storys on this thread, all of which are tragic to varying degrees affirms my suspicions that the government not only spends millions of dollars to vilify cannabis, but also uses weed as club to beat down not only the "offender" but their life and dreams as well as their livelyhood! Make no mistake, if you use weed, and you are caught, in most states you will suffer. I have some horror storys of my own that have cost me dearly, but I don't stop and will not stop. In my opinion, which I fiercely will defend, all things that naturally manifest themselves ie: flora, fauna, water etc, were put here for mankind to use for survival, medicine, shelter,etc. To ruin someones life for inhaling cannabis smoke is the real crime! Who has the right to outlaw a plant? When perscription drugs ,pollution, global warming, illegal war,poverty,and so many man made miseries kills millions every year while they preach the decadent evils of weed and tell you to take a pill that makes you crap in your pants because your too fat or take a sleeping pill so your stress saturated mind will allow you to sleep, never mind that while you are still asleep you may get up , go to your car and go for a drive. The only ones that can stop the bullshit is us! Take back the country, make the politicians accountable, make the powers that be tell the truth about weed, do it in a professional, intelligent and forceful manner. Their are millions of us, we must somehow organize for this one thing, STOP PUTTING PEOPLE IN PRISON FOR PETTY BULLSHIT! So to answer the question "how angry are you" my answer is I'm livid!!!

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Unfortunately I do not think he will even get the Republican nomination.

I have a friend in Canada and she absolutely loves it. I would move there but I don't think the spouse would be too thrlled about the idea.

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If Ron Paul does not get elected, I am seriously considering moving to Canada. I love America, but I am tired of fighting with all the bullshit here. I am not saying Canada is paradise, but there has to be something good about a country if Americans make fun of them for being polite.

And Massachusetts state government sucks ass. That has nothing to do with anything, I just thought I'd throw that in there while I'm ranting. I think I need to smoke out of my homemade bong now, and calm down.
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