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[cannabismedical]

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[8182KSKUSH]

Originally Posted by cannabismedical

Help by collecting signatures:
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I read the entire bill, it sounds great. It would for sure make the federal governments efforts utterly useless! I could also stop punching "MMJ Patients" in the face for being idiots when they act like they have some "special entitlement" to use marijuana. By the way I am a patient, and if anything, the "paper tiger" that I have gives me some security. How can we follow progress on this? Haven't heard anything in the media, seems like a short time frame to collect that many sigs? The potential future impact could be HUGE!

[8182KSKUSH]

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[HerbalConfusion]

One minor problem. This goes against international treaties. The us would have to go to the UN and shit to legalize weed.

[Mississippi Steve]

Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion

One minor problem. This goes against international treaties. The us would have to go to the UN and shit to legalize weed.

Actually not.... it only has to be reclasified by the FDA, and that is gonna take a lot of money.... prolly from big tobacco companies, and such.

[HerbalConfusion]

Another reason i dislike this forum. Dont tell me im wrong. Do some reading.

Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs

The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is the international treaty against illicit manufacture and trafficking of narcotics that forms the bedrock of the global drug control regime. Previous treaties had only controlled opium, coca, and derivatives such as morphine, heroin and cocaine. The Single Convention, adopted in 1961, consolidated those treaties, broadening their scope to include cannabis and allow control of any drugs with similar effects to those specified in the treaty. The Commission on Narcotic Drugs and the World Health Organization were empowered to add, remove, and transfer drugs among the treaty's four Schedules of controlled substances. The International Narcotics Control Board was put in charge of administering controls on drug production, international trade, and dispensation. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) was delegated the Board's day-to-day work of monitoring the situation in each country and working with national authorities to ensure compliance with the Single Convention. This treaty has since been supplemented by the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which controls LSD, Ecstasy, and other psychoactive pharmaceuticals, and the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, which strengthens provisions against money laundering and other drug-related offenses

Influence on domestic legislation
Since the Single Convention is not self-executing, Parties must pass laws to carry out its provisions. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime works with countries' legislatures to ensure compliance. As a result, most of the national drug statutes in the UNODC's legal library share a high degree of conformity with the Single Convention and its supplementary treaties, the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances and the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances.

The Single Convention has been extremely influential in standardizing national drug control laws. In particular, the United States' Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the United Kingdom's Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 were designed to fulfill treaty obligations. Both Acts include analogous schemes of drug Scheduling, along with similar procedures for adding, removing, and transferring drugs among the Schedules. The Controlled Substances Act follows the Single Convention's lead in granting a public health authority a central role in drug Scheduling decisions. It also includes a provision mandating that federal authorities control all drugs of abuse at least as strictly as required by the Single Convention(21 U.S.C. § 811(d)).

As of January 2005, the Single Convention had 180 Parties. (as in 180 countries which must comply or they get in trouble although dutch laws technically violate this they dont do anything to them.

[8182KSKUSH]

You have a great point! This did occur to me Herbal but what will happen. I mean if they get enough sigies, it's put on the ballot and approved? Then what? I am really asking, this has got to create some kind of problem correct. What would happen assuming it was voted on and approved? Guess that is a good idea for a thread. Personally, I don't have no facking idea? What would happen?

[HerbalConfusion]

Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

You have a great point! This did occur to me Herbal but what will happen. I mean if they get enough sigies, it's put on the ballot and approved? Then what? I am really asking, this has got to create some kind of problem correct. What would happen assuming it was voted on and approved? Guess that is a good idea for a thread. Personally, I don't have no facking idea? What would happen?

I dont know what would happen its never been a problem they just leave the dutch alone.

[Storm Crow]

Any reason they wouldn't "leave the Americans alone"? Precedent has already been set by the inaction on the Dutch!

And I believe I have read that there is a way out of the treaty by saying "We want out!" with a 3 month waiting period before it is final. Not certain about that, though- haven't read the treaty. You guys get to figure this out- I'm in the midst of a snow storm and power is "iffy". I'm posting on borrowed time!- Granny

[8182KSKUSH]

Yup, so I don't think that is a reason to discount the initative! I say lets go balls out and see what happens. What's the worst that can happen? It's already illegal.

[HerbalConfusion]

Originally Posted by Storm Crow

Any reason they wouldn't "leave the Americans alone"? Precedent has already been set by the inaction on the Dutch!

And I believe I have read that there is a way out of the treaty by saying "We want out!" with a 3 month waiting period before it is final. Not certain about that, though- haven't read the treaty. You guys get to figure this out- I'm in the midst of a snow storm and power is "iffy". I'm posting on borrowed time!- Granny

The dutch dont have a George or a DEA. Still proceed i mean im from mass i dont matter.

[8182KSKUSH]

Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion

The dutch dont have a George or a DEA. Still proceed i mean im from mass i dont matter.

It has nothing to do with George Bush, it was illegal long before he came into the picture, and I don't care who wins that office, it won't matter. The DEA on the other hand......

[angry nomad]

Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion

One minor problem. This goes against international treaties. The us would have to go to the UN and shit to legalize weed.

So?

[8182KSKUSH]

Originally Posted by angry nomad

So?

Yeah my thoughts exactly!!! LMFAO

[Mississippi Steve]

Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion

Another reason i dislike this forum. Dont tell me im wrong. Do some reading.

Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs

The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is the international treaty against illicit manufacture and trafficking of narcotics that forms the bedrock of the global drug control regime. Previous treaties had only controlled opium, coca, and derivatives such as morphine, heroin and cocaine. The Single Convention, adopted in 1961, consolidated those treaties, broadening their scope to include cannabis and allow control of any drugs with similar effects to those specified in the treaty. The Commission on Narcotic Drugs and the World Health Organization were empowered to add, remove, and transfer drugs among the treaty's four Schedules of controlled substances. The International Narcotics Control Board was put in charge of administering controls on drug production, international trade, and dispensation. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) was delegated the Board's day-to-day work of monitoring the situation in each country and working with national authorities to ensure compliance with the Single Convention. This treaty has since been supplemented by the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which controls LSD, Ecstasy, and other psychoactive pharmaceuticals, and the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, which strengthens provisions against money laundering and other drug-related offenses

Influence on domestic legislation
Since the Single Convention is not self-executing, Parties must pass laws to carry out its provisions. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime works with countries' legislatures to ensure compliance. As a result, most of the national drug statutes in the UNODC's legal library share a high degree of conformity with the Single Convention and its supplementary treaties, the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances and the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances.

The Single Convention has been extremely influential in standardizing national drug control laws. In particular, the United States' Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the United Kingdom's Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 were designed to fulfill treaty obligations. Both Acts include analogous schemes of drug Scheduling, along with similar procedures for adding, removing, and transferring drugs among the Schedules. The Controlled Substances Act follows the Single Convention's lead in granting a public health authority a central role in drug Scheduling decisions. It also includes a provision mandating that federal authorities control all drugs of abuse at least as strictly as required by the Single Convention(21 U.S.C. § 811(d)).

As of January 2005, the Single Convention had 180 Parties. (as in 180 countries which must comply or they get in trouble although dutch laws technically violate this they dont do anything to them.

Regardless of international treaty, MJ *STILL* has to be reclassified by the FDA *BEFORE* it can be federaly legalized.

FWIW, the FDA classification system system was set up so that it didn't require an act of congress or a change of internation treaties to add opr remove a substance from the list. It only has to be determined by the surgen general and the FDA to be "benificial" to the public and not subject to abuse.

And I'll thank you not to give me any more negitive reps.

If you can['t say something nice, then don't say anything at all.

[doomie62]

why would it be so hard?? Holland's done it, i think other country's should adopt the same method on how they legalised cannabis.

[psteve]

Originally Posted by doomie62

why would it be so hard?? Holland's done it, i think other country's should adopt the same method on how they legalised cannabis.

Unfortunately, it's still not 'legal' in Holland.
They do lead the world in cannabis tolerance though.
Just don't get busted for growing, or you could get fined!
We keep trying for full legalization in Holland, but it's hard to get people involved because they don't realize it's still actually illegal!

[8182KSKUSH]

Originally Posted by psteve

Unfortunately, it's still not 'legal' in Holland.
They do lead the world in cannabis tolerance though.
Just don't get busted for growing, or you could get fined!
We keep trying for full legalization in Holland, but it's hard to get people involved because they don't realize it's s