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Old May-25-2005, 12:05
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Old May-25-2005, 12:26
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oh and yocass spare me your "if your not capitalist your an idiot"

thats the kind of ppl i hate. u may beleive capitalist if the best system, but i dont think that a world where 75% of humans are living in total poorness, a world where humans are caring about themselves way before others, and caring about money way before others, a world individualist, and more, is a good world.

u may like capitalism but i dont. i dont like the way we are all considered as consuming puppets, to make the system work. and your not agreeing with capitalism even if your in it. im not complaining. yes, i live in good conditions, but how can i look around me and do nothing? how can i look around me and see 100 000 humans, kids, mothers, fathers dying everyday. how can i be so selfish. how can someone own 40 billions of $ and keep it in his pockets? how can someone have so much money?

this is stupid. for me the best system would be anarchy, but a realistic system would be a anarcho-capitalism system, where the goal is the well being of humanity, where the goal is to share what u have, where the goal isnt to make money even is tons of ppl are dying behind it. thats all man.

now dont call me stupid because i dont think the fuckin same way as you. your the one thats pretty stupid if you think were all wrong if we dont think like you. im only sharing opinions, while you your talking about everything as if it was a fact.
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Old May-25-2005, 12:38
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people really are consuming puppets?

humans have behaved this way since the beginning of time.

capitalism isnt perfect,but its the best.
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Old May-25-2005, 14:25
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The problem is : there's no solution. Capitalism = pseudo freedom. It always ends up with ppl beign in classes (rich/poor). Anarchy = real anarchy can't work, they'll always be a leader at some point. commuism = it always ends up corrupted. Now if you reduce humanity to 500 ppl and teach good values. You will need to have control over these ppl so they dont go corrupted (as human becomes corrupted by nature), and then they're not completly free. And at some point you will have 1000 ppl on the island and you will need to expand since getting back to 500 would involve killing 500 (and controling birth is a kind of opression over one's freedom too). now you will have to expand and expand and finally get to millions of ppl and loose control and eventually get back to the same point : 6 billion of ppl that can't organize themselves because of corruption. Now you can find a way to modify human's nature to make them so they're always happy never angry and never corrupted. Make them so they can't hurt others, things like that. Then it would be perfect communism. BUT it wouldn't be freedom : evryone will be forced to be good even if they dont want to. There would be no diversity, no difference between ppl. And when you get evrything right, humanity will live forever. It'll be kind of : now what? we reached our ultimate goal what do we do we can live our lives, ok, but now what's humanity goal since survival isn't a problem now? evryone is identical so no genius so no research and then bye bye that need for exploration we always had. So still there we would end up like a machine that can stay on forever... with no freedom.

There's no solution, to be completely free, you have to be alone... but nobody likes to be alone, isn't it?
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Old May-25-2005, 16:10
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theres 1 solution: kill everyone!!!

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Old May-26-2005, 03:39
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wow am i getting bitched because i have differents opinions from you Jeff? whats your fuckin problem? im not a fuckin hippie

u guys dont get it. ANARCHY IS NOT CHAOS. GET IT?????


ANARCHY IS A WORLD WHERE HUMANS ARE ENOUGH INTELLIGENT TO LIVE FREE AND IN COMMUNAUTY.

being anarchist is just being humanist, its just a form of anti-capitalist. its caring about humans before money. its wanting a good world for everyone. its wanting to live in peace and to help everyone. Anarchy, thats it, only this. so who cares if it aint possible? who cares if you think im a hippie? im a humanist and i hate capitalist? what can i add? stop thinking your the truth yourself by bitching me i respect your opinions just dont talk about something you dont even know the fuck it is (yes yocass i think u have a wrong perception of anachy). even dictionnaries are wrong on definition.

its just coz the world thinks if theres no corrupted gay fuck government this is gonna turn into chaos. jeez anarchy alrdy existed in spain during the '20s

did u know that? ameridians lived in harmony. they had a chief but everybody was deciding the decisions. our own body is living in perfect harmony, a combination of anarchy and communism. if body is turnint too cold, few cells will get cold first so the more important parts can stay warm (thats why your fingers, head and feets gets cold first).

so thats all, stop fuckin bitching me and respect what i think. and plz read fuickin books before bitching me about things u guy dont even fuckin know.

jeez i tought ppl that smoked pot could be more respectful and open minded. i guess im wrong



anyway peace to all


If you think me and yocass have the wrong perception of anarchy, go look it up in a dictionary! Here, i'lll do it for you!


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Main Entry: an·ar·chy
Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-kE, -"när-
Function: noun
Etymology: Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler -- more at ARCH-
1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : DISORDER <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature -- Israel Shenker>
3 : ANARCHISM
Where does it say that it would be an indefinate period of happiness? It would suck ass!
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Old May-26-2005, 05:49
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this isnt a matter of perception. or belief. Its a matter of anarchy has NEVER existed for a long period of time and been a good place. EVER. If there is a "chief" it aint anarchy. If they made their own decisions, they wouldnt need a chief. The concept is fundamentally flawed. If you EVER work you have become a capitalist. its that simple. And if you buy anything... say a computer or internet service, its supporting capitalism. If you REALLY cared, youd give aid to some african kids. Or hatian kids. Or Indonesian kids. You know how much that money you spend on internet would do? Or heaven forbid that computer? Your not going to do that, and I wouldnt expect most people to do that. It is not capitalism. Always through history there has been capitalism, and leaders. Even apes have leaders, and wolfs have their alpha males. Like I said YOU may have a "view" of anarchy. But it has no foundation. Who is going to stop the 99.99999999999999% of people who ARE capitalist? When you think almost EVERYONE else, including a dictionary is wrong, you may want to re evaluate your perceptions on things.
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Old May-26-2005, 16:47
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whatever like i previously said dictionnary have a wrong definition of anarchy, because they compare it to chaos. real definition is absence of government, so if theres an absence of government with intelligent humans this equals to happiness and peace. anyway ill stop arguing but thats just what i think.

and from my opinion capitalist is a fuckin sucky system. thats why it will kill all of us soon
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basically it boils down to the fact that nothing is perfect. as mellowmood has pointed out, capitalism can suck. as others have pointed out, communism and anarchy can both suck. we will just have to do something about this. there is no perfect government system, and its not the systems fault, its just the people. anarchy= a few badasses start killing people a whole bunch and rule us all. capitalism=rich people rule, communism=dictatorship. so there is no right way to run the world.
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Old May-26-2005, 22:12
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your right man. intelligence brings stupidity, we are stupid because of intelligence. yes the system will always fail, except if we are creating a small communauty, of 200 ppl, living all together in happinness

we should all live in a beach, growin vedgetables and being happy, with no money, no power, no possesions. just a beach, a green sea, sun, weed, and girls
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