Thread: WHY ISNT THE HERB LEGAL?

well it was until the turn of the century.
I heard several stories that stated that caused it to become illegal.
1----One story is that due to the mexicans coming to America,with their tequllia and pot,in the 20's,30's the rich began to complain about them being loud disruptive,partied alot so they banned together to have the politicians and law to look into the troubles they began having with their farm hands,what they pointed out to them acting loud and crazy was the pot,not the booze they drank..
2----another story was that during the 20's-30's paper farmers,,saw hemp as a threat to their cash crops,(trees) since 1 acre of hemp could be the same as 4 acres of trees,and hemp could be harvested 2xs a year thats 8x's the amount of hemp vs trees,paper etc that a small farm could produce and sell and do this more quickly that the tree farmers could..There for cutting into the tree farmers/loggers main crop and cash flow.The paper companies were scared to loose billions of $ due to the hemp so they began 'paying' politicians and government officials and police to treat it as a drug,they even helped pay for government groups to spread lies and stories about hemp and pot as being this very bad drug,date rape drug,smoke a joint kill your family etc,and then they helped pay and support the movie called Reefer Madness which was a B.S. movie to place scare tatics into Americans all around which I think really helped keep it in the underground for so many years.A fake movie full of lies and Bull Sh1t helped seal the deal,,between that and every crime that they felt they could connect with weed made weed the bad guy,,even though the people who did these crimes also did things like coke,drank,and pcp,it was always weeds fault.
Now the baby boomers are ready for weed to become legal,hippies from the 60's and 70's are coming back out of their shells and politicians who smoked it before see it as harmless and feel its a waste of time.
We spend billions a year fighting just weed,,states have made it legal for medical use have found out that they can make almost 14 billion $ a year!!!!!!!!
Thats just in california and according to CNNMONEY.COM.
With the US economy in a rut,this is very welcomed money for America,,if all states could make 10 billion a year,within a few years we will be outta debt as a country and almost Never be in debt again,politicians dont care for voters,or our voice or the people,they care all about $ their greed is the pathway to legal medical marijuana and we should support the facts and push these greedy bast@rds into what they want to do,,legalize it so they can cram this fat greedy fist into the cookie jar themselves.

Originally Posted by snowballz

well it was until the turn of the century.
I heard several stories that stated that caused it to become illegal.
1----One story is that due to the mexicans coming to America,with their tequllia and pot,in the 20's,30's the rich began to complain about them being loud disruptive,partied alot so they banned together to have the politicians and law to look into the troubles they began having with their farm hands,what they pointed out to them acting loud and crazy was the pot,not the booze they drank..
2----another story was that during the 20's-30's paper farmers,,saw hemp as a threat to their cash crops,(trees) since 1 acre of hemp could be the same as 4 acres of trees,and hemp could be harvested 2xs a year thats 8x's the amount of hemp vs trees,paper etc that a small farm could produce and sell and do this more quickly that the tree farmers could..There for cutting into the tree farmers/loggers main crop and cash flow.The paper companies were scared to loose billions of $ due to the hemp so they began 'paying' politicians and government officials and police to treat it as a drug,they even helped pay for government groups to spread lies and stories about hemp and pot as being this very bad drug,date rape drug,smoke a joint kill your family etc,and then they helped pay and support the movie called Reefer Madness which was a B.S. movie to place scare tatics into Americans all around which I think really helped keep it in the underground for so many years.A fake movie full of lies and Bull Sh1t helped seal the deal,,between that and every crime that they felt they could connect with weed made weed the bad guy,,even though the people who did these crimes also did things like coke,drank,and pcp,it was always weeds fault.
Now the baby boomers are ready for weed to become legal,hippies from the 60's and 70's are coming back out of their shells and politicians who smoked it before see it as harmless and feel its a waste of time.
We spend billions a year fighting just weed,,states have made it legal for medical use have found out that they can make almost 14 billion $ a year!!!!!!!!
Thats just in california and according to CNNMONEY.COM.
With the US economy in a rut,this is very welcomed money for America,,if all states could make 10 billion a year,within a few years we will be outta debt as a country and almost Never be in debt again,politicians dont care for voters,or our voice or the people,they care all about $ their greed is the pathway to legal medical marijuana and we should support the facts and push these greedy bast@rds into what they want to do,,legalize it so they can cram this fat greedy fist into the cookie jar themselves.

contact ur local politicans in congress and senate,,YOU CAN NOT BE FINED,ARRESTED OR HARASSED BY SPEAKING YOUR VOICE!!!!!THIS IS A MISCONCEPTION BY ALOT OF PEOPLE!!-IT IS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEAK USE IT!!IF ILLEGALS CAN PROTEST IN PUBLIC IN AMERICA AND NOT BE ARRESTED BY SPEAKING THEIR VOICE IN FRONT OF GOVERNMENT HOMES AND DOWN TOWN STREETS THEN WE CAN SAY WE OPENLY SUPPORT MARIJUANA!!
I am working very hard to become the voice for legalization of this plant,I call it freedom of speech and will use it to the fullest extent of the law....

because of the black market

There have been many good points made in this discussion, namely that it's legalization would decrease profits for the rich, the lack of political involvement of smokers, and of course the shift to the right caused by evangelicals in American politics. One thing has not been mentioned though.

To the power elite we are workers and, more importantly, consumers.

Studies show that pot smokers are less loyal to the their employers than beer drinkers. They ask embarrassing questions at inopportune moments. They are less docile. Whether or not this is due to the fact pot is against the law is debatable, but, IMHO, it's more than that.

Pot smokers make shitty consumers as well. They're more likely to be content with their lot, fail to covet that new car and work themselves to death to get it.

Just finished watching a documentary on utube - The Union: the business behind getting high

Very Informative. I suggest you watch it and pass it around.

Every state has a petition like this one

South Carolina Medical Marijuana Initiative Petition

This is for my state I have passed it around Facebook,Myspace,Tweeter and even posted it upon sites like Google and Yahoo..

Anyone from ANY state can sign it,we need a Thread here that post all states and have Everyone support it by signing...By doing this we can have enough people to be outspoken in support that it will be considered..
Florida also has one and the bill was past through one part of government.

If we can get 1 state in the south,,(because mid west and west coast states already began following California) to pass the law then others will began to follow also.

It is closer now than ever before to become legal,but we have to work together in order to help get it through...

If we all support each others state it wont take long...

Originally Posted by snowballz

well it was until the turn of the century.
I heard several stories that stated that caused it to become illegal.
1----One story is that due to the mexicans coming to America,with their tequllia and pot,in the 20's,30's the rich began to complain about them being loud disruptive,partied alot so they banned together to have the politicians and law to look into the troubles they began having with their farm hands,what they pointed out to them acting loud and crazy was the pot,not the booze they drank..
2----another story was that during the 20's-30's paper farmers,,saw hemp as a threat to their cash crops,(trees) since 1 acre of hemp could be the same as 4 acres of trees,and hemp could be harvested 2xs a year thats 8x's the amount of hemp vs trees,paper etc that a small farm could produce and sell and do this more quickly that the tree farmers could..There for cutting into the tree farmers/loggers main crop and cash flow.The paper companies were scared to loose billions of $ due to the hemp so they began 'paying' politicians and government officials and police to treat it as a drug,they even helped pay for government groups to spread lies and stories about hemp and pot as being this very bad drug,date rape drug,smoke a joint kill your family etc,and then they helped pay and support the movie called Reefer Madness which was a B.S. movie to place scare tatics into Americans all around which I think really helped keep it in the underground for so many years.A fake movie full of lies and Bull Sh1t helped seal the deal,,between that and every crime that they felt they could connect with weed made weed the bad guy,,even though the people who did these crimes also did things like coke,drank,and pcp,it was always weeds fault.
Now the baby boomers are ready for weed to become legal,hippies from the 60's and 70's are coming back out of their shells and politicians who smoked it before see it as harmless and feel its a waste of time.
We spend billions a year fighting just weed,,states have made it legal for medical use have found out that they can make almost 14 billion $ a year!!!!!!!!
Thats just in california and according to CNNMONEY.COM.
With the US economy in a rut,this is very welcomed money for America,,if all states could make 10 billion a year,within a few years we will be outta debt as a country and almost Never be in debt again,politicians dont care for voters,or our voice or the people,they care all about $ their greed is the pathway to legal medical marijuana and we should support the facts and push these greedy bast@rds into what they want to do,,legalize it so they can cram this fat greedy fist into the cookie jar themselves.

Your second point here is correct. The lumber(paper)industry and many other corporate interests have contributed to the demise of both hemp and marijuana as a viable product/medicine. Prior to the Nixon administration, it was mainly a corporate effort to eliminate competing hemp products. In the early 70's, marijuana became a target of the pharmacuetical industry b/c they cannot make $$ off pot. They could not(nor can anyone)obtain a patent for a plant. And they figured out real quick that cannabis has over 60 different oils etc. that work in multiple combinations.

Bottom line for big pharmacuetical companies=
You can take the opium plant, isolate and alter their compounds chemically to manufacture codeine, hydrocodone(vicodin)etc. and turn a good profit. You can extract THC from a marijuana plant, but you cannot make $$ off THC on there end b/c it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by pressman57

There have been many good points made in this discussion, namely that it's legalization would decrease profits for the rich, the lack of political involvement of smokers, and of course the shift to the right caused by evangelicals in American politics. One thing has not been mentioned though.

To the power elite we are workers and, more importantly, consumers.

Studies show that pot smokers are less loyal to the their employers than beer drinkers. They ask embarrassing questions at inopportune moments. They are less docile. Whether or not this is due to the fact pot is against the law is debatable, but, IMHO, it's more than that.

Pot smokers make shitty consumers as well. They're more likely to be content with their lot, fail to covet that new car and work themselves to death to get it.

Brutally true, this. And well said.

hello. i still live for the end of prohibition against cannabis. the wrongful determination of cannabis (voted by Congress) as a class 1 narcotic, was lobbied for by the paper and cotton industries. today, prohibition is a vehicle for government to take untraceable cash from the youth. prohibition is cartels laundering drug money on Wall Street, which is the number 1 laundering location in the world, as revealed in the Wachovia Bank investigation. prohibition is very big business, controlling Congress, floating failing banks with needed cash, and providing untraceable resources for covert operations. prohibition money changes so many hands, it is bigger than gold. in no way is cannabis a class 1 narcotic, as when my bones were broken, i needed heroin to numb the pain- nobody would have prescribed cannabis.

"If marijuana is not legal within the next five years i have no faith left in humanity, period." - Seth Rogan, Pineapple Express

Since the the 20th century cannabis has been given laws like the tax stamp law that took place in 1937. This is that I find pretty good since they made cannabis illegal they also put the hemp in there. Hemp also known as the male cannabis plant can’t produce a flower like the female plant. There is little to no thc in hemp. Now there reason this law came to be has many different myths but this is and has been the one I stuck by. So the act was not just aimed to cannabis but
passed in order to destroy the hemp industry. A business man by the name of Andrew Mellon invested in nylon with the help of Randolph Hearst In the du Pont company . Hemp was now being used to make paper now Mr. Mellon saw this as a threat the the timber and nylon industry. Since the invention of the decorticator hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry. Just a thought I have had for awhile.

its not the drugs affects but the plants ability to destroy the many industrys the companys who run our governments own

Originally Posted by ganjhound

i could understand if cannabis was a harmful drug and need to be made illegal but new evidence has proven that cannabis is LESS harmful to both the human body and mind then both alcohol and nicotine....ive found 2 websites that back me up on this and would love to hear what everybody else thinks....SAFER - Alcohol vs. Marijuana Cannabis less harmful than drinking, smoking: report

NEW EVIDENCESCREW THEM AND THEIR PROPAGANDA. find a republican, right, left winger, democrat, funda, terra, whateva, and kick the shit outta them so that they may respect the life they have and not how much money they have"flip off" NEW EVIDENCE...

Originally Posted by stuweed224

If you are in the US it is simply because not enough voting adults want it legal.

Most (even the non partakers) do think the current laws are a bit stiff but total legalization is too far. If you had backyards full lazy folks would try to steal like they do with any other "you got it I want it" commodity.
I've produced my own since '83 and had a glimmer when Ed proclaimed legal by 2004. Then he finally got hit,Emory got hit and I've still never seen a 14 footer basking in the sun rip itself out and go do something unspeakable to a child.

Logic is a strange animal. Sad but true.

THIS PLANT WILL NEVER BE LEGAL...as long as people sit in fear of persecution, instead of facing it. im not one to talk but i am ready, so should you.

anybody notice how walmart is a participant in the DRUG WAR and does not sell pleated sandwich bags. WOW a new low for the greedy. im no liberal, repuglican, facsist, socialist, socialite, wanabee, ................on and on with the names. you fuckin idiots and im the one who is crazy

Originally Posted by stuweed224

If you are in the US it is simply because not enough voting adults want it legal.

Most (even the non partakers) do think the current laws are a bit stiff but total legalization is too far. If you had backyards full lazy folks would try to steal like they do with any other "you got it I want it" commodity.
I've produced my own since '83 and had a glimmer when Ed proclaimed legal by 2004. Then he finally got hit,Emory got hit and I've still never seen a 14 footer basking in the sun rip itself out and go do something unspeakable to a child.

Logic is a strange animal. Sad but true.

voting=dead people

the reason why cannabis is illegal is because the USA government and its agencies say that there is no known medical use for the plant and thus made is a schedule 1 drug. obviously this contradicts the medical studies done and the states that do allow it. the first step is to reclassify cannabis and i think that is going on right now. yes, the big lobbyist dont want this but it will happen as the new voters hop on board the train

unfortunately marijuana will never be legal, ironically for the same reasons it should be legal.....our leaders don't want a society that gets along with each other...this is a free market economy, and uncle Sam is the biggest business of them all, they need criminals and people who break laws so they can fine them and get paid....when was the last time you got stoned and wanted to get violent or rob a bank?? NEVER......you get stoned and play video games....hahahaha

Originally Posted by kayakush

the reason why cannabis is illegal is because the USA government and its agencies say that there is no known medical use for the plant and thus made is a schedule 1 drug. obviously this contradicts the medical studies done and the states that do allow it. the first step is to reclassify cannabis and i think that is going on right now. yes, the big lobbyist dont want this but it will happen as the new voters hop on board the train

Make sure you vote "YES" this November on Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act.

Originally Posted by Microwave

I reckon that as older generations of voting adults pass away and younger generations who grew up with cannabis (anytime after the mid 1960's) become the voting majority, then eventually cannabis laws will become less harsh and eventual legalization will occur. Can't say when, but the sooner the better.

The problem why no one wants to have legalization of cannabis is many people still think smoking pot is worse than alcohol and tobacco.The media and school is very anti-marijuana and full of myth about marijuana .

The people in government are puppets run by religion and the corporate America they do not care if the minority if they spend their life in jail for smoking pot.

Is marijuana going to be legalization soon well it is a tug of war and people have to fight for their rights.

sadly i dont think it will ever be legalized, alcohol companys would loose to much money, as would the drug companys especially if it was made legal to grow plant....hell i dont think there would be many things i would try and treat with marijuana

The kind of diseases that can be cured through marijuana will simply overwhelm you. So it will be really unfortunate if the legal restrictions prohibit the patients from obtaining the benefits of it. From the fact it is quite clear that the people are associating themselves with the cause. So it can be expected thay will be successful in their endeavor.

As much as i would like to believe this i feel that the people with the power have far to much to loose if it was legalized even for medicinal purposes, due to the fact that people who smoke tend to find that they question the reality in which we are in. And they dont like this...not...one...bit. They dont like the idea that people might wake up one morning and think, "hey why the f**k am i going to work today in order to earn a worthless bit a paper that i can exchange for a worthless metal?" or "why is it that i need to have the latest ipad and the that new car?" people need to free themselves from the mentality that this reality has trapped us in. one way to free your mind is marijuana use. And the government (or the puppeteers that control the "government") dont like this at all.

Instead of focusing on why it is not legal the real focus should be on how to make it legal. Yes it is important to understand why it was mad illegal. But more important is the reasons why it is still illegal and how to change it. The bottom line is money. Big pharmisuticals know what T.H.C. Is trust me they have done the research. They know how much they would loose if people could grow there own Medicean in there back yard. Pot is not a cure all but if used properly it can help with a lot of medical issues. Witch brings me to my next point.

If you want to legalize it than quite frankly the pot community as a whole needs to grow the fuck up!.... One of the biggest hurtles is simply public perception and let's face it the pot community has done a lot to hurt its self I can't tell you how many times I have herd some pot head saying yeah I need my Medicean wink! Wink! And let's face it getting real about how much of that happens is a key component. We all love the cheech and chong movies and movies like pineapple express. The problem is they create a P.R. Nightmare. In states where it is legalized there needs to be a real focus on publick awareness backed with solid indisputable facts. Intelligently delivered to the publick. A card board sign and arguing with closed minded people on a street corner is not the way to do it. You can change minds and sway public opinion but the stupid needs to be taken out. Knock off the hippie bull crap and the stariotypical definition of a pot head and fight it with facts at some point when enough states legalize it the federal gov. Will not be able to maintain its stance or enforce it and will turn it over to each individual state to handle on its own

marijuana remains illegal for several reasons. it would put a big hurting on several industries, it also puts a small space between the user and the user's mind-which makes the subtle brainwashing technique next to useless. that and inertia, america has a hard time realizing it's made a mistake and will continue on.