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Old Jul-08-2006, 01:08
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the govenment wont legalize marijuana beacause they cant regulate something everyone can grow in thier back yard so the profit for them is prohibition there is no profit for legalization..... so whats the big deal i havent been out of pot for over 30 yrs legal or not. it is readily avaliable
The problem is that every 42 seconds, someone in America is arrested on pot-related charges. I've lost both plants and money to the cops. It ain't fun.
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There is an abundance of information as to why marijuana is illegal. Use google, check my post history, anything..

Just because a large amount of people do it, doesen't justify it being legal.

If I compiled a list of every person that has ever exceeded the speed limit (ie: every driver who has ever driven on a highway before) it would basically consist of every person known to man. Speeding is still illegal.

I break the law every single day by smoking pot and driving over the speed limit, and sometimes a combination of the two. All something being illegal means to me is to use your best judgement. Unfortunately, people can't control themselves and their actions since the beginning of time.. and thats why things need to be illegal. Before there were "laws", why do you think religions were started? The world needed a way to control society, and the understanding of a superior being judging your actions and determining your fate or afterlife(s) was just a perfect idea, and everyone believed it and it worked for a really long time, and still currently works to a lesser degree. Law today works the same way. Police enforcement work to control and regulate society.

There is a LOT of crime involved with Marijuana. A lot of you just don't live in the areas to experience it on a daily basis, so you can't understand where the justifications are coming from.
...There couldn't be a lot of crime involved in Marijuana if it was legal. Some people tell me 'Well people are killed over it everyday' Yes thats because people dont want to go to jail, if it was legal nobody would be killed!!!
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The reason Pot is Illegal is because the government can't make any money off it (those greedy bastards) and plus that i forgot who said but "making cannabis Illegal has done more damage than the plant every could have" So in conclusion our government makes a huge onslaught on pot growers yet opens methadone/needle clinics... Go figure.... It doesn't make any difference because even though it's Ilegal we still smoke it anyway... AND WHO THE FUCK IS THE GOVERNMENT TO SAY !GOD! IS WRONG?
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Then please fuck the hell off my post, and dont talk to me ffs. Put me in your ignore list and fuck off. Your an idiot, a true idiot.

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I know seven year olds that can defend their arguments better than that. Come on, you average 27 posts a day here, you should at least have enough information and experience to respond with an intellegent argument rather than throwing a fit.

You said Cannabis needs absolutely no regulation. Maybe for you, but you are not the only person who smokes pot in this world. Cannabis obviously needs some form of regulation. Do you think young kids should be able to walk into a store and purchase as much weed as they want? That would cause even more problems.

The problem is coming up with a perfect plan for regulating marijuana. Its not as easy as you think, and its certainly much easier for the government to just make it illegal. I'm hoping for some changes, but to simply say that Cannabis needs no regulation whatsoever is just ridiculous when you actually analyze it. I don't think these changes are going to come for a while, since society still looks down upon the drug for the most part. Once the world becomes more educated, it will become more accepted, and then we can start making changes. We are simply in a minority now, and thats why there will be no progress made.
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Old Jul-08-2006, 19:23
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The reason marijuana is still illegal is not because they wouldn't make any money (they could easily tax it). It's because various corporations such as the alcohol corporations are paying the government to keep it illegal. If marijuana is legalized, then people won't drink near as much alcohol, thus, for alcohol to keep getting lots of money, they must sway the government on certain issues. Nowadays the government doesn't control the government, the corporations control the government. Hell, the heads of the corporations ARE the most rich people in the world.
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next thing someone will interbreed tobacco and weed and make it addictive. although it could be really good....

LEGALISE IT! AND I WILL ADVERTISE IT!

if weed got legalized it most probably would severly lower the incomes of alcohol and tobacco companies, true dat. there are no weed companies that i know of, that sell pre rolled joints internationally. if like it if there were one tho.

man i need a fattie.

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It needs to be legalized like alchohol and cigarettes, which already works as well as can be expected. It needs to be kept from children, just like alchohol and cigarettes. It needs to be reclassified to Schedule 2 from Schedule 1 so it can be used and researched medically. It needs to be legalized for industrial hemp so we can drive on it.

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It needs to be kept from children, just like alchohol and cigarettes.
Alcohol and Cigarettes are just as easily available as weed is, despite the fact that weed is illegal. If it were to become legal, it would be even more easily available to our kids. Age restrictions are uneffective since nobody really has any problems obtaining cigarettes or alcohol now. What makes you think it would be any different for weed?

Just another reason why legalization will simply never happen, since there is no effective way for it to work. Most parents dont want their kids smoking pot, and the only thing that really even comes close to preventing them from it, is the fact that it is illegal. So thats why its going to stay that way.
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the govenment wont legalize marijuana beacause they cant regulate something everyone can grow in thier back yard so the profit for them is prohibition there is no profit for legalization
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it just as easy for someone to grow tobacco if not easier, than it is to grow cannabis. There's clearly a deeper reason as to why it is illegal.
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LOL, Dutch Masta you and I will have to agree to disagree. Do you honestly believe that marijuana being illegal is the only thing keeping a lid on young people smoking weed? My contention is that it is the fact that it is illegal that makes them try it! As well as the fact that it is popularized through the media, so that all the "cool" people do and all the "assholes" don't. It was for a rebellious teenage me, it was for my friends. Besides, where did you get any sort of impression that the law has prevented youth from using it? The law doesn't stop them, it punishes them for it after the fact, if they get caught, in a way that isn't even effective at keeping them from using it again.

Maybe it's just that you have lived in Mayberry with Andy. You are aware of how widespread marijuana is in our schools, don't you? In every student survey done it was the most widely available drug of all, more accessible than alcohol or cigarettes even. How in God's name could it POSSIBLY get more widespread than it is now?

I understand, share and respect your desire to protect our youth from harm. However, there are wiser ways, and more effective ways, to keep them from it than the obviously failed attempt of using law enforcement as that answer. Law enforcement can only be part of the answer, not the end all.

As an example, if we did random school drug testing in a way that meant every student would receive at least two a school year it would give students a real reason to say no. If anyone gets popped then it should be brought to their parent’s attention so they may be given a chance to fix the problem without the child getting caught up in the system. If they get popped a second time then allow law enforcement to get involved strictly to find the source of the drugs that are ending up in the school and shut it down, not create more problems for the child than necessary. This will force drugs dealers to be VERY leery about selling to children! The only time it should affect the child is if they are in such a bad home that it is necessary to take them for their own good.

Ideas like this are the only truly effective ways to shut down school drug use. In this way we could ensure that our children are drug free until they are 18 or older, thereby creating a "clear" space in our society to work from. However, I still hold my position that it should be legal for adults. Marijuana is a relatively harmless recreational drug and should not have such a stigma attached to it. Also, I think you would be unpleasantly shocked to find that the most commonly used drugs by young adults is getting to be legal prescription drugs like Oxy, not marijuana. Compared to that marijuana is the least of our problems.

Now, based on the way you responded to LIP up there you seem to be under the impression that potheads are stupid and we are reinforcing a stereotype when we misspell words and don't organize our thoughts for debate very well. Yet here I am, an everyday smoker that started at 13yrs old, blowing your arguments out of the water. Yes, it is important to have good grammar, spelling and punctuation so that people will respect what you have to say. However, it is not indicative of marijuana but the current state of affairs in our school system.

Maybe you should be a little less arrogant towards people. Pride is a sin, you know.


rekoms htlaets , absolutely right. There are many different interests out there with a lot to lose if it becomes legal again. All of them have political clout; all of them have never been shy about using it. I'm not a conspiracy nut by any means but Jack Herer makes some very intriguing points.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it just as easy for someone to grow tobacco if not easier, than it is to grow cannabis. There's clearly a deeper reason as to why it is illegal.
grow tobacco? if one really wants to use tobacco one needs only to look on the ground, nearest ashtry, or simply, beg.
IMO, one of the hardest things to find on the ground is a nice phat roach.

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LOL, Dutch Masta you and I will have to agree to disagree. Do you honestly believe that marijuana being illegal is the only thing keeping a lid on young people smoking weed? My contention is that it is the fact that it is illegal that makes them try it! As well as the fact that it is popularized through the media, so that all the "cool" people do and all the "assholes" don't. It was for a rebellious teenage me, it was for my friends. Besides, where did you get any sort of impression that the law has prevented youth from using it? The law doesn't stop them, it punishes them for it after the fact, if they get caught, in a way that isn't even effective at keeping them from using it again.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I state that it being illegal is the only thing preventing young people from smoking Marijuana. I completely agree that it being illegal creates desire and I even remember addressing that in several of my posts here. I simply stated that tobacco and alcohol are legal with an age restriction, and kids still have no problems getting either. I said that the only thing even close to prevention is the fact that it is illegal. I didn't say that it being illegal prevents the use of it in reality, but unfortunately the people in charge can't think up anything else.

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Maybe it's just that you have lived in Mayberry with Andy. You are aware of how widespread marijuana is in our schools, don't you? In every student survey done it was the most widely available drug of all, more accessible than alcohol or cigarettes even. How in God's name could it POSSIBLY get more widespread than it is now?

I understand, share and respect your desire to protect our youth from harm. However, there are wiser ways, and more effective ways, to keep them from it than the obviously failed attempt of using law enforcement as that answer. Law enforcement can only be part of the answer, not the end all.
Woah woah.. you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. I didn't imply in any way that our current law enforcement has effective methods preventing our youth from smoking Marijuana.. I responded to another person who said it should be kept from kids just like alcohol and cigarettes, to state that weed would be just as, if not easier to get a hold of this way.

Now, I do certainly feel that it being legal will lead to even more widespread use. Why? Because whenever I ask non-smokers why they are opposed to it, the answer usually ends up something like this: "its illegal! they wouldnt just make it illegal for no reason" and they are usually under the impression that it is not only detrimental to your health, but that it is also highly addictive.

Once it is made legal, it would be more accepted, and misinformation like that would not be going around much longer.

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As an example, if we did random school drug testing in a way that meant every student would receive at least two a school year it would give students a real reason to say no. If anyone gets popped then it should be brought to their parent’s attention so they may be given a chance to fix the problem without the child getting caught up in the system. If they get popped a second time then allow law enforcement to get involved strictly to find the source of the drugs that are ending up in the school and shut it down, not create more problems for the child than necessary. This will force drugs dealers to be VERY leery about selling to children! The only time it should affect the child is if they are in such a bad home that it is necessary to take them for their own good.

Ideas like this are the only truly effective ways to shut down school drug use. In this way we could ensure that our children are drug free until they are 18 or older, thereby creating a "clear" space in our society to work from. However, I still hold my position that it should be legal for adults. Marijuana is a relatively harmless recreational drug and should not have such a stigma attached to it. Also, I think you would be unpleasantly shocked to find that the most commonly used drugs by young adults is getting to be legal prescription drugs like Oxy, not marijuana. Compared to that marijuana is the least of our problems.
Random drug testing would indeed be extremely effective. But the entire method of eliminating marijuana from youth culture would be pretty harsh.

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Now, based on the way you responded to LIP up there you seem to be under the impression that potheads are stupid and we are reinforcing a stereotype when we misspell words and don't organize our thoughts for debate very well. Yet here I am, an everyday smoker that started at 13yrs old, blowing your arguments out of the water. Yes, it is important to have good grammar, spelling and punctuation so that people will respect what you have to say. However, it is not indicative of marijuana but the current state of affairs in our school system.

Maybe you should be a little less arrogant towards people. Pride is a sin, you know.
The way I responded to LIP had nothing to do with any of that. It had everything to do with him stating that that we need no regulation for cannabis at all. Where are you getting the impression that I was addressing his grammar, spelling, or punctuation? .. at all?

There is no need to call me arrogant when you state you are blowing my arguments out of the water, when you haven't addressed a single thing I have posted without twisting my words.
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The only problems with weed happen when someone is selling or buying thats when people get shot and robbed. That wouldn't happen if you could walk into the nearst Bp and pick up a pack of 20 premium rolled joints for 4 0r 5 bucks. but if weed is legalized the large companies making it will put in the worst possible weed. And as far as alcohol companies not wanting it legal thats bull because people would still drink and i think its 85% of alcohol thats drunk by alcoholics and people would still want to have alcohol because if you have 1 to 2 drinks a day you live Longer. Like cannibis has been proven many times over when not abused it has healthy benefits. And as far as kids cant get weed cause it's illegal thats not true infact where i live its EASIER for kids to get weed than cigs because there are other kids who sell it to them who buy from irresponsible people,steal from there parents. And as far as companies adding addictive substances i think that would make no sence except for more people NOT smoking it and growing there own but if the companies keep it real and strong they will sell it like hot cakes. There's people who have been smoking since the 60's and they dont plan on quiting any time soon cause of the EFFECT not an addiction ( even though you can start to crave to effect ). And most of these kids who smoke weed think its cause it makes them "cool" even though they don't even know how to inhale.
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when will the color green be free is all i can think of i smoke a bowl and fill it up 3 or 4 times in an hour or two and think why the hell is this illegal and why should the governement care that we do it i think it will always be debated but their really is nothing they can debate cept that i for one will smoke it up anywhere and not give a fuck but i will still be cautious also on your list i like how you put the jazz members a lot of people forget about them specially during what the 30's or 40's
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