Oooo! Hermie says pick me! Pick me-e-e-e!! Hermies_Green_wig.jpg


I'm using a Bionicam Eyeclops, a child's "toy" easily located at Amazon.com for 25-45 USD, depending on who's got them. Dutch Pimp "discovered them" for us.
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The 400X magnification is very hard to use but...
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Rewarding, yah?

Aloha,
Weeze

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"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

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Apollonia,
Off Topic:
Sorry it took so long to accept your friend invitation, but the board was acting wack for me and would save you once checked, so I waited until it would.

DH,
Then wouldn't you become a reverse DreadedHermie?
Now I'm really confused.

Back to UV talk.

M.P.

Nice pictures using the "Eyeclops" BTW...

That could come in real handy for maturation checks!

M.P.

it's definitely on my "shit to get" list!

-shake

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Hi fellas, just wanted to add quickly re: Uvb blockage. The reflector's madeof tempered glass - which I was told is designed with the intent of blocking UV rays - how well & how much remains to be seen, but I felt it blocked enough to necessitate the addition of my Uvb supplementary bulbs. Btw, 5 hours a day no less than 20" away... I wonder how far their effective range is. Hard to find anything on it with google. If I find anything I will post. And thank you all for "friending" me - can't wait to start coordinating experiments.

Me too, thanks for the tip!

Weezard, how do you get that 400X magnification? Is it a special camera lens?

Aloha A.


That's the good Eyeclops.
It's the deluxe high res, dahoosit model.
It has 100X, 200x, and 400X and a little 32 Mb. thumb drive that plugs into it's head and records jpegs for easy transfer to a PC.
Also has a built in screen and a video out.
Very impressive on a 55" flat screen

It was a surprise gift from DreadedHermie.
Thanks again "Crunchy Pants".
It's a great thinker toy.
And a revealer of hidden beauty
I use this one as my wall paper;
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This one is just kinda peaceful.
Dedicated to our own Rusty Trichome;

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As for that tempered glass as a UV filter.
Borrow a pair of "Transitions" glasses and see for yourself.
As DH showed, they make a dandy UV detector.

Aloha,
Weezard

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Plants do things for a reason.....they don't just decide one day to get root rot or act funny..... - Weedhound
"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html

but this begs the question: who is our Corporal Klinger?

I know Dr. Hermie applied for the Klinger position…..cum on. It’s quite apparent that Ol’ Crunchypants is way over qualified for the position. I submit that I have proven my qualification for the position unerringly over time. (READ MY LIPS…NO NEW THOUGHTS).

I won’t argue the point that he looks better in a dress than I do….but I’ll put $20 down that that I’m not nearly as bright as he is.

VOTE HORSEMAN for klinger

HMR…out

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I've always felt that anything worth doing well,
is too damn hard.....WeeZard

It looks like we have a veritable band of corporal Klingers... cool

I'm going to orer one of those amazing eyeclops thingys tonight -how on earth did whoever (hermie?) find them!?!?

If I may be selfish here and ask a question: how close do you think uvb bulbs should be from the plants and how far away is too far away to be useful. In my current grow I have 4 30 watt Reptisun 10.0 36" bulbs, 2 for each HPS - on either side of the plants & I have them at various distances, but no closer than 20" to the plants and they're on for 5 hours a day only. Since the info out there is so scanty & sometimes contradictory - I thought I'd ask the smartest guys in town. (This little cadre is so awesome it really needs a name... we could get bowling shirts...)

Dayglo druid's robe for me.
At night only.

Too hot by day.
Jus' wear tiny emerald scales an' a grin.

Aloha,
Wee itty 'zard

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Plants do things for a reason.....they don't just decide one day to get root rot or act funny..... - Weedhound
"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html

Oh heck, I had read that but I forgot! Sorry Weezard, sorry Hermie - been very busy & it appears it's made me a little scatter-brained. Those Transition lenses would be good to find the edges of the emanations - and to think I laughed at those commercials. Thanks for the assist, Wee.

My wife Amber has been going through bi-weekly chemo for T-Cell Lymphoma, for the lastt 7 years, so is a tad touchy with my playing in a potentially cancer-causing growroom.
She asked me not to play with the UV, and respecting her (our) issues, the least I could do was to acceded.

Two weeks ago, Amber had 8 cancerous spots removed from her skin, so am ultimatelly comfortable with the decision. Her cancer isn't from artificial UV light, as she dosen't grow and never used a tanning salon. But is a fantastic reminder of the adverse effects of UV llight on human skin. (the suspected cause)

Use proper care, skin cancer is a bitch.

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Oh my god, I'm so sorry you and your wife are going through such a terrible ordeal. I completely understand not wanting extra uv in the house! How's she taking the chemo? Are the anti-emetics doing their job? I'm guessing after 7 years, you've all got everything pretty dialed in - I wish I had something useful to say, but I don't know anything about cancer treatment. It sounds like you guys are right on top of things, just right where you should be, bless her heart. I like how you wrote her (our) issues - that's the way it is when you got a real partner. It's good you have each other to lean on. I wish you strength & moments of peace & serenity to catch your breath for both of you and days of feeling good in her body for your lady Amber during this time until it's the day when it's ultimately beaten back down into remission.

We both appreciate the kind words. But it is what it is. Physical and emotional up's and down's are the norm, but you learn a lot about yourself when caring for another. Nothing we can't overcome though.

Anyway...thank you.

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Horticultural Myths and Folklore
Fox Farms Feeding Schedule
Dealing With Heat Issues in the Desert
Rusty's Bonsai Re-Vegging
CanCom Troubleshooting Forms

Sorry I've been away from the boards for a bunch of days, Monday morning Tonto cracked a few ribs and broke his wrist while driving (actually crashing) the ATV. Wound up in the hospital for a few days so I had to be there alot. (He can't be trusted with nurses)lol

For Dogz and everyone,

We are not trying to do "laboratory" grade experiments here. If the main source of light is an HPS and it has a little UVb output so be it. An experiment will still show what the additional supplemental UVb adds or does not add. I may move some experiments into my partnered grow, using the TI LEDs, which has some UVb in the mix, just to see what happens with additional UVb supplement.

Plus yesterday my partner surprised me with the purchase of a eyeclops BioniCam. Spent about 3 hours playing with it last night we couldn't put it down. A toy for kids.....nay a toy for BIG kids!

Hey Horsemanrocks, you'll get my vote for the Klinger position, but you need to borrow DH's green wig!

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Yes mac I understand....

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Aloha Mac.

I'll show you mine, if you'll show me yours.;
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Now you can get a snap or 3.
Den hit 'em with the UVb.
Den we take a nudder look
See how long dey take to cook.

My pre-liminary results suggest that one can change the character of the high with measured applications of UV after the buds are fully frosted and the globs are mostly cloudy
It seems, with leds, that what Amber we do eventually get is caused by age rather than irradiation.

Don't want that.

The Eyeclops lets me monitor buds grown under LEDs for maximum resin.
Then, I can ripen to any shade of amber I want.
Now, I'm getting too hammered on one hit to be a good judge on potency, but I can tell the difference in the "character " of the high.

I believe, I'll be able to "tailor" the effects/side effects of my meds this way.

I'll try to keep you posted.


Happy trails
Weeze

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Plants do things for a reason.....they don't just decide one day to get root rot or act funny..... - Weedhound
"Their perception is their reality" - Irydyum

"Gotta keep in mind that people and pot plants are very much alike, how well and when you finish is based on genetics. - O. M.

My attitude? Deliberate Indifference! -Thanks D.H.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html

Hey Horsemanrocks, you'll get my vote for the Klinger position, but you need to borrow DH's green wig!

Thanks mac….you’re a good man and I appreciate your support. But in retrospect I’ve come to realize that Dr. Hermie is indeed the better man. I found this yesterday on another thread posted by DH

Siemens are the reciprocals of ohms. They are also what make my pants crunchy.
It has become painfully obvious that I’m way over my head here. Not only is DH a more qualified Klinger. On top of that is that I really have no business trying to hang with “the tinfoil hat society”.

I spend my days now with a Long Island iced tea in my right hand, and a Glock 9mm (held to my temple) in the left. My shrink told me to “go ahead and do it”. And the dry cleaners told me that they had lost my blue feathered boa.

If I continue to be too chickenshit to “let the hammer down” I’ll check in from time to time. It’s so hard to read with eyes full of tears.

See ya in Heaven
hmr

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I've always felt that anything worth doing well,
is too damn hard.....WeeZard

OK if you insist. Now when you look at this first picture, I want you to sing in your best Don Ho voice, "tiny bubbles...."
(I'll post more when I get a chance, later)

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Ive just found this great thread

Props to Oldmac and all the people that has contributed

We have been noticing too that the lack of UVB and far red causes trics taking longer to become cloudy, although this is strain dependent (large differences for some strains, almost unnoticiable for others), and way longer to become amber (this effect is more general). Some times, trics wont become amber anyway, no matter how longer you keep the plant in flowering.

Ive been thinking a lot about this issue. I think that for recreative users, trics dont becoming amber is a great new. I believe only medical users requiring enough CBN (degradation of THC into CBN is what turns trics amber) for narcotic effect may be concerned about this. For them, adding either UVB or far red is a must to get that effect.

I believe its not a problem because it means degradatioon of THC is way slower wo UVB and/or far red. And at the end, most MJ growers are interested in THC production the most. The "problem" is just we are used to calculate harvest time by seeing the rate of trics ambering, and it seems we need new references when using light sources wo UBV or far red.

But trics taking longer to become cloudy is a problem, as it points out that THC synthesis is being slower. But we have found that this is way more strain dependent that the no ambering issue.

I want to carry some experiments about this in the near future so I chime in when I start it. Oldmac, if you think worth to talk about what to test each grower, im fully open to somewhat syncronize experiments with all the people involved.

Im trying to get some way to analyze cannabinoid's profiles in order to get more complete conclusions. I think now that we know that THC synthesis and degradation is affected by light spectrum, and which wavebands do it the most, to determine it with more accuracy: comparing the final THC content of clones growing with and wo UVB and the degradation rate of THC to CBN under same conditions.

Hi there, knna. I've read a lot of your posts on greenpinelane & GC, I believe. You're very knowledgeable about LEDs - most of it went over my head, but I picked up some good stuff from you which helped me when I was researching LEDs to purchase so thank you.

By the way everyone my eyeclops came! There will be pics of trichs! This piece of equipment is a lot of fun. It's too early to start looking for trichomes, but I'm having fun looking at spiky cystolith hairs (that I think are the cause of my itchy arms & hands) and what looks like bubbles on the surface of the leaves. I even bought the bug vacuum for extra curricular activities with the eyeclops.

wow, that's a lot of food for thought, knna. I've always heard that plants grown without or with less UVB have less total trichomes, where plants that receive supplemental UVB have more "sugar" on them and are generally considered more potent. I wasn't as aware of a relationship between delayed THC/Cannabinoid ripening/degradation and lack of UVB, which could be an explanation of the lack of potency in buds grown without UVB. I've also heard people argue that despite UVB enhancement & plants having more trichomes, that does not necessarily make them more potent. It would be interesting to look into the details of the circumstances of the grows of the people who reported these various phenomena. Has anyone else noticed increased ripening/degradation of the active agents when in the presence of UVB? It would add another prong to the testing possibly - first, the relationship between UVB & potency, the relationship between UVB & the total amount of trichomes & third, UVB & it's effect on the rate of ripening/degradation of trichomes.

Glad you stumbled on the thread knna! It's always good to have your input. This thread abt UVb use is really just an extension of light theory, and wavelenghts that effect a plant's life. Sorta goes hand in hand with LEDs the way I see it.

Would like to have you join in an experiment, the more input the better. The one experiment I really would like to see is the one Rusty started but could not finish; using UVb right from the beginning with rooted clones. It might be possible to see improvement in tric production. I have already seen the difference UVb can make in just the final 2 weeks of flowering as far as getting to cloudy then amber. Without UVb my run got cloudy slowly and never, even with an extra week+ never turned amber. The light I am using in my personal grow is based on Red Cree's and 2700k T5's, so far red is lacking.

I would love to be able to quantify THC and CBN levels, short of having a lab run samples I'm not sure how we can do it. Hell, I haven't been able to quantify how much UVb I'm using and that should be relatively easy. I'm currently looking for an inexpesive UV meter so I can put some sort of reference to it.

I look forward to anything you can add to this subject.

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Hi Apolonia,

I held the belief that using UVb would increase trichome production and increase potency. My first experiment without UVb showed no difference in tric production. That plus trying to get trichomes' on the leaves of a cancer strain I grow called "apricot" sorta proved to me that trichome production is a result of genetics as opposed to UVb use. I still believe it will increase potency as witnessed by getting to amber trics with it and not being able to without it. Tho the difference between all cloudy and 25% amber was slight as far as potency, there was some difference.

The biggest surprise I got was how thin the leaves where without UVb during flowering. With UVb use during the entire flower period, the leaves were alot fatter. I acutally lost some finished and manicured weight without UVb, and it did not come back with just 2 weeks use at finish. But keep in mind I only ran one strain, (plus tried everything on another) so my results may be of limited value. Hence, trying to recruit others to experiment.

BTW: I think the UVb you are using, and the time and distance is very good.
In my personal grow, I use it for 4 hrs in middle of photoperiod and the distance varies slightly.

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Keep it civil please, gentlemen. -stinkyattic
I think people should be educated to the fact marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say God is wrong? -Willie Nelson