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Rusty Trichome · #51 (**permalink**) Dec-19-2007, 17:10

For checking water ph, I use my (freshwater) aquarium test kit. $6.00 or so at any pet store. My well water is very consistent, so I only check it once in a while. And since I know how much ammendment it takes to adjust the water to 6.8 or so, I use the whole kit in maybe 18 months to 2 years.
Just another option.

Also...I've done the coffe grounds thing, but was using my regular ferts, too. Ended up burning the ladies a bit. To me it's better to adjust my ferts a little at a time till I get repeatable results, grow after grow. Weird additives may work as claimed...but...It seems to make my job tougher in the long run.

scagster · #52 (**permalink**) Dec-19-2007, 18:38

Coffee grounds can make your pH drop, and can invite mold. I wouldn't do it indoors personally. If i was growing outside in soil, sure why not, I use coffee grounds and eggshells and such in organic gardening.

hydrocannabis · #53 (**permalink**) Dec-19-2007, 19:10

Big thanks for all U guys great help and info.

well 1 things I ma do is find out how to wire up a few pc fans for pulling the air OUT of the grow cab. since I can't ford a to spend a lot of $$ on a pH tester.

I'll have to try this: aquarium test kit. $6.00 or so at any pet store.

and I'll find a good way to light proof it thats eze to remove also.
and and should I be useing the fish ferts I have?
or not.

well! off to my Xmass party.

hydrocannabis · #54 (**permalink**) Dec-20-2007, 02:18

do they look like they might have a chance to live agen and grow some more.

and if there is a way to fix whatever problem they R haveing.
then what is it? or should I just start over.

Rusty Trichome · #55 (**permalink**) Dec-20-2007, 08:51

Looks like nute lock-out to me. Would get the test kit asap, and check the ph of the water you use for the plants.
-also-

Have you by chance been:
...adding anything to soil, to try and green-up the leaves?
...spraying anything on leaves, to try and green-up them up?
...trying to flush anything out of your soil, more than once?

Possibly too much iorn...?

hydrocannabis · #56 (**permalink**) Dec-20-2007, 12:02

Have I by chance been: only 1thing.

..adding anything to soil, to try and green-up the leaves?.
..spraying anything on leaves, to try and green-up them up?
..trying to flush anything out of your soil, more than once?

I added a mix of water with fish ferts to the soil. about 2 days ago.
I mixed the fish ferts with a gallon of water. and I gave some to each plant.

and if this I can't fix this problem. then I am just gunna start over with the seeds from my last grow.

so what should I be adding green up the leafs.

Rusty Trichome · #57 (**permalink**) Dec-20-2007, 12:22

First step for me would be to get the ph checked. You can even take a sample of your water to any fish store and they will test it for free. (tell 'em you are thinking of buying a fish tank, but neighbor told you water was too acidic) Then take the ph info to your local nursery to ask how to adjust it.

The fish fret shouldn't do any damage, but how often do you water, and do you let the soil dry out between waterings?

Beyond that, how are you with clones? I wouldn't just chuck all that time and effort out the window.

Blindly saying you need iorn or magnesium sulphate to green it up could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.

hydrocannabis · #58 (**permalink**) Dec-20-2007, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

First step for me would be to get the ph checked. You can even take a sample of your water to any fish store and they will test it for free. (tell 'em you are thinking of buying a fish tank, but neighbor told you water was too acidic) Then take the ph info to your local nursery to ask how to adjust it.

The fish fret shouldn't do any damage, but how often do you water, and do you let the soil dry out between waterings?

Beyond that, how are you with clones? I wouldn't just chuck all that time and effort out the window.

Blindly saying you need iorn or magnesium sulphate to green it up could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.

The fish fret shouldn't do any damage, but how often do you water, and do you let the soil dry out between waterings?

YES I do. I was told to stick my fingers 2 inches deep.
and if its dry at that deep its time to water.

ok so I found out that I do have a big bag of the hi yield magnesium sulphate.
oops its not in the pic but I do have a big bag of it.
so will it really green up my babies/clone agen?

what I am worndering is if it would be ezer to just start over.

and I did get a digie temp reader.

and its called an acurite.
that is what it says on the back of it.

and what is it that could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.

and which 1 of these firts should I be useing.
or could I be useing to maybe fix the problem.
also thanks for the help I like it a lot.

ps: my last grow was a DWC seedling and clone grow. and it went well. but could have gone a little bhetter.as seen in my log.

and what I love about growing is that I learn sonthing new each time I grow.

dale923 · #59 (**permalink**) Dec-20-2007, 22:42

Dude whats in your soil. Im pretty new to growing but i would guess you would want to take care of that.

Rusty Trichome · #60 (**permalink**) Dec-21-2007, 09:32

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

YES I do. I was told to stick my fingers 2 inches deep.
and if its dry at that deep its time to water.

Perhaps once it's dry 2" down, water the next day.

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

ok so I found out that I do have a big bag of the hi yield magnesium sulphate.
so will it really green up my babies/clone agen?

I almost always add 1.5 teaspoons per gallon of water, every month. At this point I'd say give that a go, once you get the test kit or ph pen. At least have your water tested so you know what you are dealing with, so you can correct it.

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

what I am worndering is if it would be ezer to just start over.

It's almost always easier to be a quitter. Situations like this tho, is how we all learn. Get the stuff to check your ph, and grow from there. If you just blindly start adding stuff to a stressed plant, chances are, until you know what you are doing you will continue to do more damage.

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

and I did get a digie temp reader.

and its called an acurite.

Again...cheaper at the pet store. A cheap aquarium thermometer with the suction cup thingy...$3.00.

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

and what is it that could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.

Prevents roots from being able to uptake the nutes. Prevents the leaves from getting the nutes they need for photosynthisis. kills most bio-activity in the soil, leaf necrosis (appearance of dead spots) and plant death.

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

and which 1 of these firts should I be useing.
or could I be useing to maybe fix the problem.
also thanks for the help I like it a lot.

If your water ph has been creating a nute lock-out, no ferts you add to the soil will show positive results. Perhaps a weak mix of nute for foliar spraying, but use weak solution on weak plants...with ph adjusted water.
I think Mag sulphate is a buffer, helps stabilize the ph of the soil. (but no, don't use it to adjust your water...will build-up those salts in the soil pretty quickly)

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

and what I love about growing is that I learn sonthing new each time I grow.

Me too. Would sure be nice to hear some other views...

hydrocannabis · #61 (**permalink**) Dec-21-2007, 16:08

Would sure be nice to hear some other views... I know right.

so lastnight I added 1.5 teaspoon to a gallon of water and gave it to them.
so should this work on makeing my plants greender agen?
the only thing H have given em was the MS and water.

and about how long should it take to start makeing my plants greener/healther agen?

and agen thinks for the help on this.

Rusty Trichome · #62 (**permalink**) Dec-22-2007, 00:00

[QUOTE=hydrocannabis;1766491 so lastnight I added 1.5 teaspoon to a gallon of water and gave it to them.
so should this work on makeing my plants greender agen?

and about how long should it take to start makeing my plants greener/healther agen?QUOTE]
I personally think it's a messed-up ph, because it appears like my plants do, when I over-adjust my water. (have adjusted the same batch of water twice by mistake a couple of times, drastically lowering my ph...only done that twice

)
I'd try not to water again till you get the ph of the water checked, and adjusted if need be. Since mag sulphate is a buffer, it can help the roots survive a ph imbalance, but IF the cause of the problem is the ph of your water, it has to be corrected before any progress can be expected.
Did you try spraying the leaves with a weak solution (1/4 strength or so) of superthrive and nutes?
Have you cleaned the leaf-litter out? (get ya doin' something while you're sitting there staring at them, lol)
New pix tomorrow?

hydrocannabis · #63 (**permalink**) Dec-24-2007, 02:18

should I keep trying to grow these.or start over with better soil and new seeds.
well I doo have a bunch of dank seeds I could try to grow in new better soil I could get.

first 2 pix R of how they looked on the 20th.

next 2 pix is how they look now 24th.

I was thinking that now that I have a built a bigger veg/flower cab.
I could just start over with better softer soil.

so what would any of U good gardeners do if UR plants look like this.

A) keep em and try to make em live agen.cuz 1 is a female. it showed a week 1/2 ago but thats when they looked healthy.

B) toss em out and start over from scrach.
with better water and soil.

cuz once back like 5 years ago I got 2 bagseed plants to grow 3 feet by harvest and under 4 three foot floro lights and got 1-2 ounces of bud.

Rusty Trichome · #64 (**permalink**) Dec-24-2007, 09:09

It won't do much good trying to start your grow over. Especially if the same conditions exist next time. If ph is out of balance, the roots stop taking-up nutrients. (nute lockout)
If you want to grow cannabis to be big-n-strong, (and alive) you are going to have to get certain items to create the conditions cannabis needs for a sucessful finish.
A $6 ph test kit won't cure what ails your grow. It is however, part of a troubleshooting checklist, and could save your plants.
The ingredients to adjust you water are probably right there in your own home, but, which way do you adjust it?

-so-

It's up to you. Either get a test kit, and post the results so we can help...or start over and have this entire conversation during your next grow.
In the long run, part of learning to grow is pulling your grow from the brink of disaster. (troubleshooting)

Anyway...good luck and Merry Christmas.

Rusty Trichome · #65 (**permalink**) Dec-24-2007, 11:18

Your responses seemed a bit strange and elusive to me, so I figured I'd peek at some of your other posts.

From your '2nd time DWC' thread...(post 111, I think)

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

... thats what I nave learned over my years of growing mj.

You are going to have to be honest with those that you ask to troubleshoot problems that you are having. With years of growing experience, this conversation likely wouldn't be happening.

Either you have the years of experience and are yanking our chain, or you are pretending to have the experience, and are damaging your chances of future success.

Any time you pretend to have experience, the responses you get will likely not be detailed enough for you to properly implement the suggestions. It's ok to be a novice. Since your DWC grow didn't show much in the form of ph problems, either your tap water is acidic, (bad for soil grows if too acidic) or you are simply overwatering your present grow, IMHO.

Troubleshooting is (generally) a step-by-step process that helps eliminate possible causes of problems, one at a time, till you are left with a single culprit.

Anyway, hope you have a Merry Christmas, and good luck for the new years.

hydrocannabis · #66 (**permalink**) Dec-24-2007, 11:43

Your responses seemed a bit strange and elusive to me, so I figured I'd peek at some of your other posts.

From your '2nd time DWC' thread...(post 111, I think)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

You are going to have to be honest with those that you ask to troubleshoot problems that you are having. With years of growing experience, this conversation likely wouldn't be happening.

Either you have the years of experience and are yanking our chain, or you are pretending to have the experience, and are damaging your chances of future success.

I realy have grown for some like 7-8 years. but I keep haveing some different kinds of problem in each of my grows.
just ask my mom. she'll tell ya. shes has come over and seen em all ove the years.

and I hope you have a Merry Christmas, and good luck for the new years ALSO.

and what ever road I take as of this grow. So If I end up starting over new better soil. then it'll be bottled water only.
and if I keep going it'll be also only bittled water.

cuz if I rember correctly I use to use bottled water back in the good ol days.

Rusty Trichome · #67 (**permalink**) Dec-24-2007, 12:51

An aquarium ph test kit would save shitloads of money in the long run, unless your water is rich in heavy metals, and needs to be filtered and adjusted. Even then, bottled water is such an expensive pain.

Have you let her soil dry out since adding the mag sulphate? I hope so...overwatering also causes nute lock-out, (well...root rot)and those brown spots showing up are a good sign that they need a break from moisture. If you start over with a fresh batch, check the roots on this one. Check the size of the root ball, and see if any roots are browning into a yucky mush, or tan-ish with white growing tips. (healthy) Also a good time to check and see just how moist the the soil at the bottom of the pot is. And please...let us know. Helps others to learn, too.

hydrocannabis · #68 (**permalink**) Dec-26-2007, 17:32

new pix. I think they might be getting back to good health.
so I was gunna veg them for about a nother 1 1/2 months and see what that dose.

well I just hope that they keep on the track to new green growth.

and I was gunna also start some new dank seed with in the next few weeks after I get some real good soil.

Rusty Trichome · #69 (**permalink**) Dec-27-2007, 10:14

Looking good. I can honestly say I'm proud of you for sticking with it.
Makes it very difficult to learn how to succeed, if you don't try.

So...what's up...? What did you do, and how did you do it?

May want to keep your eyes peeled for any 'stress nanners', (male parts) and should be ok to start removing the really yellow leaves with the brownish spots. At this point, they are doing no good and are expendable. Extending veg is most likely a great idea.

Again...good job

hydrocannabis · #70 (**permalink**) Dec-27-2007, 13:08

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Looking good. I can honestly say I'm proud of you for sticking with it.
Makes it very difficult to learn how to succeed, if you don't try.

So...what's up...? What did you do, and how did you do it?

May want to keep your eyes peeled for any 'stress nanners', (male parts) and should be ok to start removing the really yellow leaves with the brownish spots. At this point, they are doing no good and are expendable. Extending veg is most likely a great idea.

Again...good job

well I don't know how I did it. all I did was give them a little of the mag sulphate and a week befor that I had given them a little fish ferts.

Makes it very difficult to learn how to succeed, if you don't try.

U R so right.
I am also glad that I stuck with them.

and I am also gunna look for some better growing medium to use.

and thanks for stoping by rusty AND FOR THE GOOD ADVICE.

Rusty Trichome · #71 (**permalink**) Dec-27-2007, 13:57

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

well I don't know how I did it. all I did was give them a little of the mag sulphate and a week befor that I had given them a little fish ferts. and thanks for stoping by rusty

Cool. Just trying to pay forward the experience gained by listening to the pro's. (like the ones here at cannabis.com)
So do you think it was overwater, or wacky water ph? There's a test on friday. (kidding)
You still going to get the bottled water?
Cannabis seems to take this ph shit pretty seriously...so you will still want to check the waters ph, or have it checked for ya. I'm pretty sure you just can't keep correcting ph problems with mag sulphate. It can/will build-up and cause more problems.

...Rusty

hydrocannabis · #72 (**permalink**) Dec-28-2007, 00:16

just playing around with my new camera.I got fo X mas.

I am still worndering if I should still keep them or start over.
its like I wanna keep them and try to get em nice and big so when I flower them they can get nice sized christaly buds.
but I also hate all the yellowing leafs make the plant look like there not gunna make it. and that makes me wanna just start over. new seeds and new grow medium.

but I feel like i have come so far. and there 2 females of the 3 plants.

and should I be cliping off all the yellow leafs or just the ones most deadly looking. look at the 2ed pic.

Rusty Trichome · #73 (**permalink**) Dec-28-2007, 08:57

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

and should I be cliping off all the yellow leafs or just the ones most deadly looking. look at the 2ed pic.

If you have the room, and they haven't hermied...I'd keep 'em going.

Also, I was always taught not to 'clip' the leaves, but to pull them down, so they virtually peel themselves off of the stem. If you didn't break any part of the the leaf's stem, (or any other part of the plant) it was removed correctly.

Hmmmmm. It's been so long, I just can't remember why I was taught to do it that way. Guess I'll have start another post to find out, lol.

hydrocannabis · #74 (**permalink**) Dec-30-2007, 08:28

So R they looking any better.
pix taken just a bit ago.

Rusty Trichome · #75 (**permalink**) Dec-30-2007, 08:58

I'd remove the yellow - blotchy leaves, but others seem to think it's a good idea to keep em till they fall off naturally.
Looks like nute burn on some of the newer/surviving leaves, so may want to cut back a bit on nutes.
If you see you are getting new, green shoots...it's on it's way to being healthier. And, remember to let her dry between waterings.

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