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To get the little clones out, just grab them gently by their stem and coax them out of the vinyl tubing. When I do it I take off the lid and guide the roots thru the bottom side opening while pulling them from the top.
Sounds a lot more difficult than it is in reality. Sometimes a little root will get damaged but at this stage they are growing roots regularly and if one gets damaged no biggie. Just remove the damage and it will be replaced in no time with no real stress on the clone.
Check out this post to see some pics of clones further along. It is good reading too. I used many of his concepts so far...
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1. Transpiration is limited by an application of AntiStress coating which forms a semi-permeable membrane around the leaf and stem surfaces.
2. The protective coating only partially blocks the stomata...
Sounds a lot like an anti wilt to me, but if they insist it's not, maybe it isn't. I was under the impression it would limit transpiration, and then I read the above and my suspicions were confirmed. I was always under the impression that you wanted as much transpiration as possible, or at least I was pretty sure blocking stomata is bad. Isn't an anti-wilt or semipermeable membrane a temporary fix? Along with dealing with spider mites once per week instead of just fixing the problem?
About the clone tubes, normally you want a slit down the length of the tube. That way you can just pry the tube apart, but still use it next time. This is one reason I recommended working the professional replacement neoprene inserts into your design.
Horticulture Source Popup - NEOPRENE INSERTS 3" FOR AMERICAN AG POWER CLONERS
I think they make em 1.5" to 6" dia.
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PS. my first tubes had a slit in them, and I never used the slit. They always seem to slide out the top just fine, unless you let them stay in the cloner extra long. Like MVP says, occasionally a root will break off, but that still leaves the other 10 or 12.
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WeedHound's new toy
ok, if this is the official cloning log as previously stated, without further delay,,,,,
here is the cloner I made up for WH.
1st an admission,,,or 2.
this took longer than I anticipated due to some circumstances beyond my immediate control.
aaaaaaaaaand,,,,
due to my notorious OCD and some mania thorwn in for good measure, the first version I was assembling was,,,well, ridiculously over-engineered.
Once I took a few breaths and realized I was creating the largest cloner in the history of cloning, I scaled back.
i had nearly all the parts here n there in my collection of 'stuff'.
Parts-
2x rubbermaid ruffneck 3gal tubs. (2 because i didnt really go for the foil tape thing, so, the walls are doubled to protect the roots from light.)
1/2 inch PVC tubing, because i had it on hand from a previous project.(cut to 2.5 inch)
1/2 PVC caps, for the ports not in use
2X 10 inch airstones
dual port pump
vinyl sink mat used to weight the airstones onto the bottom, cut out a few of the slots to weave the airstones thru, then cut in half and zip-tied to fit the tub properly.
lil clips and zip-ties to hold pump on outer tub.
and lastly, a fancy-schmancy on/off switch, just cause i had it and liked the idea of an on/off switch.
i cut the pipe holes tite, so there was no need for glue and also affords adjustability is desired.
thats it. hope you like it.
email me backchannel and we'll get this puppy out to ya 
oh crap, forgot to take a pic w-dome on, batteries died, ill get some and pic that too.
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Rock That is GORGEOUS!!!!
Thank you so much....I'm really touched by all the work put in there!! I'll e-mail you....
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got your email.
no worries, my pleasure 
here's a pic w-dome.
overall dimensions w dome on.
16L x 10.5W x 14H
oh, btw, it looks like the magic number is 2 gals to bring water up to the best splash level.
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Rock I tried to rep you for that but can't ......must have recently. MVP and/or Opie.....do you guys turn off your bubblers for awhile and if so.....what kind of times do you run them on? Seems as though my stems are getting too wet.
Gotta get all this sorted out before I get my new COOL cloner from Rock....:
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Rock,
Real nice. Those end caps on the PVC is a nice touch. So is the sink mat. Good idea for a troublesome problem. A-, only due to the pump being too small, and the wrong kind of air stones. Of course that's just IMO, which only counts if I'm the one grading. 2 gal of water sounds about exactly right for a 3 gal container. Sorry, I couldn't rep you either.
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I've always said that you want to keep the roots as dry as possible, while still suppling the necessary moisture. This is true not only during rooting, but in all phases IMO. Giving the plants air with their moisture makes them grow up to be jolly green giants. Here's what I shoot for during cloning: If possible, adjust the air pump to a lower setting and keep it on 24/7 until all plants show root buds (2-6 days). From then on the pump cycle should be decided through experimentation, but I try to use something like 5 minutes on and 30 minutes off, with the pump set to the highest setting. This is not critical and small differences in cycle won't make huge difference. When I can't use a cyclestat (for infinite control of duration and frequency) I use the $20 digital timer by Intermatic, which let's you do something like 30-40 minutes on and 40 minutes off. Again, you want to use as little moisture as possible while still keeping the plants happy. You should be looking for that fine line between the root scar getting dried out and the level of moisture just above it. Just like the race car driver (or me) cannot know where the fine line is between speed and sliding out of control on a corner, without going over that line once, neither can you find the exact location of your line without drying one out. Not only does oxygen help plants grow fast, strong and big, but many people believe that if roots have to do a little searching for moisture they will grow bigger and faster.
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hmm, A-, ok, i'll take that for the first attempt, thanks professor 
really, small pump?
i figured using the 2 port and dedicating 1 stone to each would be good? 
ok, wrong stones? well, i saw your post about the bubble curtain after i bought and wet the stones, so, that kinda negated the idea of returning them.
I did run the thing, and although it took about 15-30 mins to get the lid all misty, it did eventually,, not supposed to get crazy soaked, right?
i dunno, if WH wants to try the bubble curtain, she sure can, and i'll never be insulted
BTW-
speaking of clones,,,,,,,,,
I did something,,,,,,,,
someone might give me a odd look,,,,,,,,
I clipped a clone off of Galina last week.
she's just starting week 7, so i took the clipping in week 6.
its deserperation time folks!
I just couldnt take all the stupid males that been sproutin all around me.
I need a Mother.
so,
i took a low branch, very small flower on it and about 6 leaves.
in the morning i snipped off the flower while still on plant.
several hours later, (i allowed for some heal time) I clipped, scarified, hormone dipped, and stuck in a cup with very loose, lite soil, about 50% perlite and domed it.
its sitting in the veg bunker with the 4 sprouts.
been 2-3 days, so far, so good.
I will wait until there is intense root growth.
i sleeved a clear cup in a colored cup so i can check on root growth.
hopefully, this gives me a Blue Russian Mother.
I need a guaranteed fem if I'm gonna try this wet stuff you guys keep boggling my mind with.
I have decided to try a "waterfarm" single 4 gal drip unit, its about 50 bones complete.
I will add a bubbler to the bottom when I get it.
i'm sure i coulda made something, but decided this would be easier for the couple bucks I might save.
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really, small pump?
i figured using the 2 port and dedicating 1 stone to each would be good?
ok, wrong stones? well, i saw your post about the bubble curtain after i bought and wet the stones, so, that kinda negated the idea of returning them.
I did run the thing, and although it took about 15-30 mins to get the lid all misty, it did eventually,, not supposed to get crazy soaked, right? |
I use a bigger 4 port pump and 4 air wands, and get (of course) way more bubbles than you show. Even with 4 wands there are some spots that I would like to get more wet. There are "hot spots". 10-15 minutes to get the underside of the lid misty should work just fine. You just might want to make your pump on time a little longer, or leave it on. This is one reason I say that the pump cycles should be determined through experimentation. Everyone's system is a little different. The problem for me would be the hot spots. Ideally the entire surface of the water should be bubbling, instead of more like two lines of bubbles. I'm not picking on you or trying to find fault. I think you did a great job. You asked. I told.
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Interestingly...no offense to Opie but I dislike the bubble wands. I used to use them in my fishtanks and was NEVER happy with them. They got clogged all the time and deteriorated fairly rapidly imo. I love those airstones and use a smaller version of the same ones in my fishtanks.
If there is one thing I have plenty of....it's air pumps and air lines. I have enough EXTRA ones lying around to fill a telephone booth so don't worry about that. I have air pumps around here for everything.
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Opie thanks for the moisture info.....I've been getting mine WAAAAAAY too wet then. Back to the drawing board and getting a timer. I have a non-digital that does 15 minute intervals....guess I'll go play with that for a while.
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Opie, dude, i'm not offended in the least. nope not 1 lil bit.
we're just talkin and i'm wanting to understand exactly what you're saying and explain what i did and why.
we are so totally cool, believe me dude!
and i been smokin MY thai all weekend, so, how could i possibly not be in a good mood,duuuuuuuuuuuuude 
WH, you do whatever modifications you deem nesesary, its your new kit, go nutty.
I wish you many happy returns with it.
now i gotta make one for me
but, ummm, also need a good Mother before I "need" a cloner
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maybe as simple as lowering your water level.
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I actually tried that but it caused its own problems and actually made things too dry for too long.....the water level changes kind of fast because so much is going into the air so it runs too low in a hurry.
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