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You got sum fucked up brain shawty :D

today i was txting my m8 to see if he wanted to get drunk
just as i clicked send i recived a message from the same m8 asking if i wanted to get drunk

the other day i was going to go to get a pizza but didnt have the money
then a m8 came roudn with the exact pizza i was planning on getting

i dont understand how the brain works atall
i mean how am i thinking?
my brain is just fleshy muscle shit
its like my finger being able to think for itself?


artificial intelligence..i understand, its a computer that takes notice of things and rememberes them for future reference
human intelligence..i dont understand

its all a game



o yeah
also
the way chemicals effect our brain
How extacy can make you want do dance, talk and feel friendly

at the end of the day its me who usually decides these things but a ittle chemicle can over ride my normal thoughts

if you ask me the alcohol is the strongest drug..drink enough of it and you end up naked in front of all your friends, up a tree, in a police cell, in bed with your sister!

o yer ive gone of the sumbjecty lol

but yer the brain is weird
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What if....by not having those senses...you would see life as it really is? Without filters...

Or what if, your brain took over and created false information to compensate for the senses. Now that could be wild too
like synesthesia?
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Maybe the government controls YOUR mind... (I hope not, for the government's sake) but your brain is the only thing that can keep you free. You might consider practicing using it.

I love people who perpetuate the ideal of "it's good to be a dumbass"

Because I like to perpetuate Natural Law.


So I help those who'd fall under their own stupidity fall faster.
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our brains contain more neuron connections then stars in the universe...

And i think our brains are similar to a computer brain because i think we observe and experience things in the world but our genes and biochemistry can determine how we react to them.
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i also believe plants are intelligent.. they have fellings too just like us only difference is they dont have eyes noses or ears to sense the world with..
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i also believe plants are intelligent.. they have fellings too just like us only difference is they dont have eyes noses or ears to sense the world with..
Now that seems a little silly. Plants don't even have a cerebral cortex let alone the complicated limbic system which is influenced/controlled by the hypothalamus through the secretion of a hormone called GnRH.

I might be slightly off but that's the basic gist of it. That's like saying an amoeba has emotions. heh
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Some people will be lucky if they ever become as smart as a plant.
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Some people will be lucky if they ever become as smart as a plant.


I think I'm one of those people, my plants are constantly 'outsmarting' me, routinely forcing me to change my growing habits...
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Think or Thwim » Jill Bolte Taylor Describes What It Was Like To Have a Stroke

Really good presentation on what happened with her brain while having a stroke
That was really good!
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yes brain is important but i rather be a little less smart and smoke marry jane because ur brain is useless in a hitler world government controls everything and its just pointless in being smart unless u want the thing thats root of all evil is money and ever worse greed.
Gov't doesn't control MY mind...maybe you fit in with the rest of the sheep, and know it. Thats worse than ignorance...thats like the guy on the matrix that told them where neo and morpheus were to get put back in the matrix...i guess ignorance can be bliss....and the reference to ignorance and MJ, well thank you for making the gov't point about MJ....


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If I can add another obscure reference from the matrix...when Morpheus explains the definition of "real" being completely arbitrary and solely dependent on electrical signals being interpreted by the brain. It's essential true in essence, look at many of the mammals on earth that cannot observe the world by perceiving visible light.
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Now that seems a little silly. Plants don't even have a cerebral cortex let alone the complicated limbic system which is influenced/controlled by the hypothalamus through the secretion of a hormone called GnRH.

I might be slightly off but that's the basic gist of it. That's like saying an amoeba has emotions. heh
Well... i think to say the awareness is caused solely by the brain is a bit precipitate, even if it is the usual viewpoint of todays science. I think what we call awareness is afected by the brain, but not caused by it. So, wouldnt be impossible to brainless beings to be aware, even if their awareness were completly alien to us.
Remember that during the middle ages people (and even the "scientists" from that times) didnt believe that the diseases were caused by invisible microorganisms, just because "it would be impossible that could there be such small living things", and because, after all, they were invisible.

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Man... thats absolutely true. Its one of deepest realizations anyone can have... everything we see, everything we touch, everything we hear... its all into our brains, and only there. The world only is as we see for us. If we could enter the brain of a dog, for example, we would percieve the world in a completly different way, but as real as we call our world... real is what we take for being real. But in fact, nothing is absolutely real, cause how everything look like depends on the eye of the beholder.
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Well... i think to say the awareness is caused solely by the brain is a bit precipitate, even if it is the usual viewpoint of todays science. I think what we call awareness is afected by the brain, but not caused by it. So, wouldnt be impossible to brainless beings to be aware, even if their awareness were completly alien to us.
Remember that during the middle ages people (and even the "scientists" from that times) didnt believe that the diseases were caused by invisible microorganisms, just because "it would be impossible that could there be such small living things", and because, after all, they were invisible.
Of course everything is aware on some level. Plants are aware of lights, air, soil in their environment, pests. However that was not the original argument. The original argument was that plants have feelings. Which is a complex function of the brain.

Show me a study or research article stating that plants have feelings.

We can prove that animals have a sense of fear, anger etc etc. Plants on the other hand do not.

Plants do not have the higher level functions needed to make emotions possible. To argue that plants have emotions is like saying definitively the sky and ocean are blue because the earth feels like it; when in actuality the sky and ocean are blue due to the shorter wavelengths of light that are unable to penetrate the atmosphere properly and getting trapped in gas particles causing them to reflect in all directions thus making the sky blue.

I feel that if people are going to make such far fetched claims they should back it with some sort of research and try to reference where they found the data to support their claims; otherwise it's all just fairy tales made from heresay.
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That's actually pretty accurate. I took a biorobotics/cybernetics class where we learned a lot about how our brains work, so i'll see if I can contribute.

Your brain is divided up into a bunch of lobes, each which perform different tasks. This is where the idea comes from that you only use 10% of your brain. At any given time, you're only using a small part of your brain, but over the course of your life you use all of it. It's a lot like a house, in that you use every room, but most of the time, any given room is unoccupied.

But on the topic of brain speed, when your brain is stimulated a lot, it can speed up to about 40 Hz, although usually it's more like 12 Hz, and when you're asleep, it's a lot lower. But as far as the mechanism that your brain uses to operate, that's actually very well understood. You learn when your neurons strengthen the connections between them, and the way that neurons communicate with each other is rather simple. But you have trillions of neurons, with each one connected to thousands of other neurons, so the complexity of the whole system is astounding.

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Now that seems a little silly. Plants don't even have a cerebral cortex let alone the complicated limbic system which is influenced/controlled by the hypothalamus through the secretion of a hormone called GnRH.

I might be slightly off but that's the basic gist of it. That's like saying an amoeba has emotions. heh
well neither does a venus flytrap...

i was watching something on i dunno if it was history channel or mythbusters or sumthin.. but they were trynna see if the plant had feelings so they hooked it up to some electrode and made a guy stand in front of it and think about harming it... and as soon as he did the needs started to jump...

it was amazinggg..
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at any one point in time im sure im using no less that 50% of my brain, this comes from nothing but i do feel that to be true, and by "me using" i mean, it is what is focused on what i consider focusing on something. As in typing this, thinking this in my head, and thinking about the music playing on my computer and the humming of my laptop, the light on the right of me, the slight pain i feel, and the tapping of my keyboard keys. And i feel that no more than 50% of my brain is concentrated on my functioning. that part of me which controls the heart, and other unvoluntary muscle movements, including those which occur due to my current motions, like moving my toe, or the movement of my fingers to type, and those caused from the changes in body posture which keep me erect and not falling. So i feel that at any one time there is somewhere between 50 and 100 percent brain usage, and that the amount is not measured in mass of useage, or connections, but it is used in the fact that about 50% of my actions are concious on some level, and 50% are, and while it may not seem like it, only a fraction of that 50% is something that im aware of at any one moment in time, and that is the part which is what i think with, that includes inner dialogue and memory tasks. so please, everyone, have at how im wrong.
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at any one point in time im sure im using no less that 50% of my brain, this comes from nothing but i do feel that to be true, and by "me using" i mean, it is what is focused on what i consider focusing on something.
Yeah, it might feel like you're using most of your brain, but are you really? I mean, what about the part of your brain that remembers how your grandma's fabric softener smells, or the name of your second grade teacher? Although I have to admit, when I'm stoned I can "feel" my brain working too.
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Of course everything is aware on some level. Plants are aware of lights, air, soil in their environment, pests. However that was not the original argument. The original argument was that plants have feelings. Which is a complex function of the brain.

Show me a study or research article stating that plants have feelings.
Well, man, in this case im sorry. I meant the plants are aware, not that they have feelings like humans do.

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We can prove that animals have a sense of fear, anger etc etc.
Can we? I think we wont never ever know how an animal actually feels like. We only can see their "outside" reactions. When we see a dog moving its tail, we infer that its happy. But we cant actually know how the dog is feeling inside its dogs mind. We can only infer, only make assumptions based on their behavior compared with our behavior. But we can not assume that the animals are feeling the same things we humans feel, that the animal emotions "feels like" human emotions.

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Plants do not have the higher level functions needed to make emotions possible.
Indeed... plants cannot have human-like or animal-like emotions. But if we assume they have awareness, who knows how it feels like to be a plant?

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