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Well... energy does not just floats around aimlessly, randomly... its behavior is ordered enough to generate what we call "the laws of physics", as what we call the laws of physics are our perception and interpretation of the order that there is in this flow of the energy.
Also, it flows in such ordered way that it gives rise to awareness, and even consciousness.

Exactly... and thats what i call the objective reality. The world of energy that exists independently of our awareness.
BTW, i myself think that energy is not the only thing that makes the world, but also information. I think information is the real "essencial substance" of the world, and that even energy contains (or is) information. But it is a highly speculative thought, so i cant give any proof or argument to it, yet.

Yes... but i dont think it disagrees with what i think. Energy can exist in the void. Energy is not only a shiny thread of light... a wave carries energy, and it can be dark, invisible, even unpercievable, and yet its there. So i think when the enlightened ones says "reality", they mean what we usually call reality, the physical world made of physical things, which is indeed an illusion, as it is dependent of the mind.
And... there is no need to be enlightened to control ones emotions... its far easier that reach enlightenment. The control of the emotions and behavior is called (in Castanedas books) Controlled Folly, and is a skill that is learned and practiced.

Yes... some people calls it mind, some calls it soul, spirit, whatever... but surely its real, and also non-physical.
Also, i think "energy" is a general term... i think there are several "kinds" of energy... like the "physical" energy in the physical "plane", and also non-physical energies in the non-physical "planes", so our mind, soul or whatever would be made of non-physical energies as well.
(I wonder if my physics teachers heard me talking such things... they would be VERY disappointed... )

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You guys ready to be blown away? Watch this lectue from a brain scientist who had a seizure and through that experience she learned in real time what happens when you experience a seizure and she learned first hand what happens when one side of the brain shuts down.

It is an intense lecture. I recommend you sit back and get ready to be blown away.

TED | Talks | Jill Bolte Taylor: My stroke of insight (video)

By the way, "religious experience" has been produced in a laboratory setting.

If your brains are soooo powerful will you change the
federal schedule 1 on canibis!!and make it legal!!

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That was some tripy shit. Makes me think about how drugs affect the human mind, with "feeling one with the world and all" and how thats obviously chemical changes in the brain affecting the 2 halves in a certain way. Also how different ways of human existing can do this like the above mentioned budists and inlightend such people seeking states of mind like that through meditation and sensory deprovation.

Indeed... and Timothy Leary was among the ones who did it...
Interestingly enough, one of this experiments was made at 4/20... coincidence?

Marsh Chapel Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pahnke's "Good Friday Experiment" - Follow-up
CSP - The Good Friday Marsh Chapel Experiment

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There's also:
BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - God on the Brain

i want to start a thread where we start a topic where everyone is totally blazed

that would spark some great conversations

Most treads here already are this way...

Good text! Its nice to know that at last science is starting to accept the real existence of this states of mind.

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i thought everyone on here was already blazed?...lol


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wow this is the most interesting thread I've found here lol haven't been on in months until now.

Anyway, after reading about all this I came up with this theory.. maybe what happens when we die is we dream eternallly? we create our "paraidise"? haha that would be cool.. can't really say it's foolish since I could say the same about Heaven & Hell or those that think nothing will happen when you die and everything it's just blank, or those that believe in reincarnation etc etc...

Also, have you guys heard about DMT? one of the most illegal substances in our planet yet it's generated by our brain when we go to sleep everynight , when we are close to dying and apparently in the early steps of the fetus creation. Some say it's what triggers I forgot what.. but it's in the pineal gland which If i'm correct is the part of the brain we are less knowledgeable about.

Other than that.. reality i guess we'll find out eventually.. a lot of people feel everyone is connected and some friends mentioned that after trips on shrooms. Telepathy, mind tricks.. like Criss Angel he blocks pain with his mind.. there's probably so much we can do with our minds.

Maybe 2012 we will learn how to do more with it?

my 2 cents.

p.s. Interesting quote I found from reading Matrix quotes which are very interesting..

Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

Excellent quote!

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Is it real? Do people really have a soul? I am beginning to think the correct answer to that is no. What we consider to be our soul, our "I" , is really just a relation and collection of ideas. This relation of ideas produces an identity so that easy transition between other thoughts and ideas can be had. Basically your soul (identity) is discovered by your memory of past cause and effect relations.

I know this probably makes little sense, so bear with me through my attempt to give an example. Lets say a baby is born. This baby has no idea what it is or what is going on. The baby looks at its hands, legs, and torso. The baby realizes that he has control over all these things, and that they can move positions but they stay relatively the same, and attached. The baby can conclude then from what he is able to sense that these parts are part of him and he identifies them as such. PARTS of HIM.

Now the baby is put face to face with his mother. He perceives his mother with all his senses as she gently strokes his head. He realizes that his mother is not part of him, so she must be something else...but what? The baby glances over to his right and sees his father. Again the baby does not know what to think. What are these things? Are they related?

Now that the baby has gotten a good look at the room he is in he realizes that he is surrounded by unknown objects. The hospital bed, paintings on the wall, the wall itself, everything the baby can percieve, it is all unkown to him. He has not ascribed a specific identity to anything, barley even himself. Besides the fact that he seems to have control over a mass or sensory objects that sits right under his field of vision, he has no idea who or what he is. How then, is the baby able to distinguish one thing from the other? How can he assign anything an identity if he doesn't know what anything is?

The answer is the baby is able to assign identities to certain things based on 3 relations; resemblance, contiguity and causation. To explain a little, the baby can begin to identify his mother because when he looked back at his mother, after he looked away, he noticed the object he was looking at (mom) resembled the object he was looking at before he turned his head (mom). Each time the baby looked away, then back at his mother, she remained relatively the same. Maybe her body position shifted a little, but she remained relatively the same. This is where contiguity comes into play. Causation helped the baby to understand that objects can change appearance, but still be the same object. For example over time the baby will be able to recognize that the thing he is looking at is his mother even if she changes positions or adds makeup. The baby realizes that cause of these changes is related to the environment.

So how was the baby able to identify objects, and why would he want to? And what does this have to do with not having a soul? The baby was able to assign an identity to objects because his memory stored past observations of certain objects. Over time these observations grow and they all effect eachother. The baby is able to tell a wall from a person because they are not observably similar, and he is able to tell the difference between people because certain individuals remain relatively similar over time. He is able to identify a pizza as the same pizza even after 3/4 of it have been eaten because he understands there must have been some kind of cause to make most of the pie disappear.

Because the baby is able to assign a certain identity to everything, he is able to transition between ideas so smoothly that he doesn't even realize he is transitioning. For example, wave your arms in the air. Notice anything strange? Of course you didn't, your brain is so good at transitioning between sensed objects that you don't even realize that whenever you move your arm (or whenever you move period), you are creating a whole new form or object, a object that needs to be interpreted by your brain so it can still be identified... and identified it is, as your arm. Think about it. You sitting in that chair is a totally different object than you standing or walking away from the chair. Your brain makes this transition between those two forms smooth and without any gaps so that you can keep your identity, or what many people like to call a soul.

If you read down this far I am proud of you, and if you understand what I was trying to say, well then I love you. Not just because of how hard this idea is to grasp if you have never been exposed to it before, but also because I feel that I do a horrible job of trying to explain it. If you did read down this far and don't understand, please just ask me to clear things up where they are a little hard to understand and I will be happy to try to explain it to you a little better.

So is it so bad that we don't have a "soul" or some kind of invisible entity that represents our individuality? I don't think so. In fact, this whole idea just further extends my beliefs to the idea of everything being one single collective conscience. By one conscience I mean that we (all living things, not just humans) share one common bond, and that is the bond of life, of consciousness. This single consciousness is manifested in different ways in different organisms. In essence; I am you and you are me and we are everything. The only difference between one manifestation to another is the impressions that have been made on specific manifestations' brains due to our environments. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself in many many different ways.


But what is physical energy if there is no mind to perceive it? To feel it? It's just energy.

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we actually use 100% of our brain, just at different times

I think its very true... we even say "its too good to be true"... but i never heard anybody saying "its too bad to be true"... cause we actually think only bad things can be real, and the good ones are unreal... why does is so?
Whenever i tell people that is possible to live a happy and painless life, they think im a dreamer, and that i live in a world of fantasy. (Well... most of time im stoned, but it is not the issue here )
But its all in our mind... to be suffering or to be happy is much a matter of choice. One can choose a path that will make one happy, or one can choose a path that will make one suffer. The effort to choose is the same. But most people chooses the suffering path.
I wonder what Buddha would say about it...

Well... i did read, and did understand... and i love you too lol!
Anyway... after done some reading, i concluded my own concept of "soul" is very different from most peoples concept, which is what youve described.
So, i agree completly that the "usual" description of soul, which is what you described, is not real indeed, but as you said its only a relation of ideas.
What i call "soul", and maybe its what you call "mind", is the immaterial, non-physical "thing" that is "behind" the brain, recieving data from it, the same way the brain recieves data from the sensory organs.
It is not the "I", as it is a product of the brain, like you explained. Its something else. Its very hard to describe...
Some time ag