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Apr-27-2007, 00:45
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Closet / First Grow Proposed Setup
I am in the process of getting a closet grow room started. I will list the components I have purchased and how I plan to set them up. Any and all suggestions are welcome as this will be my first grow.
Dimensions of Closet:
32" x 32" x 8'
Hypothetical Strains that might be grown here:
Nirvana - Bubbleicious
Nirvana - Cali Orange
Unknown - Misc Mexibrick bagseed
Components:
Mylar covering all surfaces
Bottom Section (~2ft vertical)
This will be the germ / seedling / clone section
Plan to use fairly low wattage / cheap CFLs for this section
Main grow section
1 - 400w MH / HPS light (bought the system that takes both)
2 - Horizontal mounted T5 flourescent lights
I am very interested in the SCROG method as it seems that this would take advantage of the limited space I have. I only plan to fully grow 3-6 plants in this area (if this is too high or too low please advise  )
Air Circulation
This is the area I am having problems with, the exhaust should not be a problem as I can cut a hole through the ceiling into the attic and vent with computer fans.
I am at a loss as far as intake though, I don't want to cut a hole through the door unless I have to or cut holes through any of the other walls.
Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated 
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Apr-27-2007, 17:12
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Anyone? this sound like a good foundation for a solid grow or am i missing something obvious?
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Apr-27-2007, 18:47
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1. you should be fine with a passive intake (holes) and see if you can get a little oscillating fan in the main grow area? if you can manage to put an oscialler inside on top of a lot of passive intake holes, that'll do
2. i'd guess that computer fans aren't gonna cut it for exhaust. you're going to need to move a lot of air out of there to cool that hps, and your plants will thank you with less humidity and more co2
you seem like you know what you're doing and you'll be fine. you'll have to adjust as you go just like anyone else, but i think you've got a good plan; just keep track of temp. PH, and humidity if you can; take it easy and you'll be fine; you'll always have to adapt
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Apr-27-2007, 19:08
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sounds like a good start would probably suggest making your clone veg area a little taller as 2 ft really isnt very tall if you ever wanted to keep a couple of mother plants you will probably need a little more room might increase it to 3 ft. that would still leave you 5 ft to flower in wich is plenty of room for using a 400 for scrog and you would still have room to use other growing methods if you decided not to do scrog.
would probably pick up a decent fan and not bother with computer fans as I dont think they will do the job would suggest 6 inch inline with a speed control so you can turn it down as its a little big for what your need, hook it up to an air cooled reflector on the 400 and exhuasting in the attic.
you will have to monitor your temps and see how they do but most rooms are far from sealed so they will be pulling in some air from around the door but if the temps remain high you may have to make an intake to keep the temps down rather than cutting your door just remove it and replace it with some 1/2 to 3/4 plywood that you can easily cut an intake in and make a disposable door that can be tosssed and the original door put back on if ever needed to.
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Apr-27-2007, 22:39
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thanks for the tips, i especially like the one about the fake door, that thought didn't even cross my mind. I'll be sure and post some pics once i get the equipment in.
thanks again and good growing to ya'll. 
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May-10-2007, 23:44
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Equipment In and Setup - Pics
Well finally got all the equipment in and setup. Here is a detailed list of purchases so far and their costs:
Seeds : $74.00 (Nirvana)
400W MH / MPS Grow Light Kit / Mylar : $205.27 (HTGsupply)
2- 4in. Inline duct fans : $67.58 (Home Depot)
1st set of Pots, cfl fixtures, mounting hooks, cfl tubes, misc equipment : $89.84 (Walmart)
20' Flexible Ducting and keyhole saw : $23.48 (Home Depot)
Scotts Premium Potting Mix (best i could find locally  ) $~10.00
for a total cost up till now of $470.17
Also started germination of 8 seeds (4 bubbleicious, 4 Cali Orange) today so more pics to follow once they pop and get planted.
Pics:
Pic 1 - Overall view of growspace with bottom cfls on
Pic 2 - Seedling Area with two 1600 lumen grow spectrum cfls
Pic 3 - Main grow area (you can just make out the bottom of the main grow light in the upper part of the pic) the vent hose you see to the left is running from the ceiling where it goes to separate room with a window open to provide fresh air. This intake has a 4" inline duct fan in the ceiling which provides constant 40CFM of cool, fresh air to the main grow area.
Pic 4 - Upper level of the grow room with misc storage and the ballast for the lights. Also pictured is the 4" air intake running down the left side of the picture and the 4" exhaust line placed above the ballast to remove waste heat. Both of these ducts have 4" inline 40CFM fans in the ceiling running them.
Pic 5 - Pic of the grow room with the door closed - stealth mode
Any comments or suggestions? 
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May-11-2007, 20:52
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hi there nice projeckt i think its goin as it should
im still a novice in idoor growing so my thaughts dont really count....but still tjek out my setup on the EU closet. i wented the intake just by drilling a cupple holes in the bottom and works fin with a small fan inside shifting the air from side to side.
hope to see your final solution.
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May-14-2007, 22:27
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Update Day 3: Leaves Appear - Possible Stretching
So all 8 of my seeds have succesfully germed and sprouted. I'm running them under 2 100W 6500k CFLs on a 18/6 timer.
They appear to be shooting up fast, possibly too fast, I think they may be strechting out too much, even though my lights are only about 8"-10" above the tops of the pots.
Here are a few pics of the lil girls(hopefully). Can someone comment as to whether they look stretched out or if I need to add more soil?
As always, thanks for the comments and suggestions.
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May-15-2007, 06:45
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would try to get the lights a little closer like around 2-3 inches and yes you can add more soil up to just below the leaves but they dont look to bad.
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May-17-2007, 23:08
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Day 6
First set of real leaves are coming in nicely. I took some advice from the above posts and moved the plants closer to the lights and added soil to just about an inch or so under the first set of leaves.
Pics 1-3: Some nice closeups of 3 of my Cali Orange seedlings
Pic 4 : Bubbleicious
Pic 5: Overall Setup pic including the current temp. and humidity reading
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions and good growing to all of you.
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So do you have an actual log going? I'd be very interested in seeing a day to day break down of your little slice of heaven. Take care Mate and DONT GET CAUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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May-17-2007, 23:37
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It would probably be a good idea to turn on your lights for several hours and check the temps in your grow room before you need it. I just got a 4" inline fan just like yours and I'm real disappointed at 40cfm amounts to. It's ok for an active intake in a small area, but it sucks for exhaust. I'm running about 410 (true) watts of cfls in a 16 cu.ft. box and the 40cfm didn't do squat as an exhaust fan. You'll have more heat and a bigger area to vent, once you fire up the HPS, so you'll probably find that you need a better exhaust fan.
I'm on my first grow too, a few steps ahead of you, and the first lesson I've learned the hard way so far is that these people are serious when they talk about the importance of good ventilation. I hope I'm wrong and that the fans you have work, but it's best to test them now while there are no plants in the grow area and you have time to take remedial measures.
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May-17-2007, 23:41
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Nice setup , props to you for taking the time and getting all the equip beforehand ;your gonna have alot of fun with it. Did you get a ph test kit yet? (i didnt see it mentioned in your supplies) If not check either lowes/home depot has cheap soil ph test kits or soil ph probes. Also bghydro has a nice cheap soil ph test kit with ph-up/down included for like $15 bucks.
I would add 2 more of those cfl's to that veg area (since it is a decent sized area) It will give your plants better growth.
Other then that your grow is starting out on point.! props.
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May-17-2007, 23:49
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wow quick replies tonight!
Pharma: this is the one thing that I am still worried about, the intake is pulling from an air conditioned room that has access to fresh air so the intake air is ~70F The exhaust is placed right above the ballast of the light and seems to be pulling a decent amount of air out, I did test it before I put the plants in and temps got up to about 90F but that was with the thermometer in direct light and without the oscillating fan going. I will do some additional testing on this but luckily the exhaust is easy to modify (in the attic) so if I need to drop a bigger fan in it shouldn't be a problem.
root- yes I have one of those ph probes from lowes, its reading right about 7.5 now, I plan on doing some further reading and such to see about getting this down a little lower, what is a good ph to shoot for?
thanks for the quick and informative replies
P.S. I have started a dedicated grow log over here
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May-17-2007, 23:58
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Try to get it around 7.0 ph in soil, yes he is right hps lamps put out lotsss of heat im gonna be ordering a vortex fan soon to deal with all the heat mixed with summer weather my hps puts out.
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May-18-2007, 00:04
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I seem to be unable to post pics in my other thread in the grow log forum, anyone know why?
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May-18-2007, 00:10
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Some areas take a certain number of post to be able to put photos up. 50 post if i remember correctly...
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May-18-2007, 00:14
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thanks for the heads up root, I guess I'll just keep posting the updates in here then.
hrmm... *wanders off to post compliments on other grows*
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May-28-2007, 03:09
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nice grow my closet is simmular to keep as much light/air leaks out of the grow u can get some of that foam weatherstripping found at wallmart or a hardware store and go around the top, and sides.....for the bottom i used a peice of some insulation shit that was like bubblewrap covered in alum. foil worked good hat it bent ina ) shape and was light proofed
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Nice, I like your setup, I might be doing the same with a closet of mine...I might use your same setup? Do ya mind? Lol.
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Day 10 - Mulitple Shots
Sorry for the delay in posting, I have been super busy with work. I'll catch up to today with the next few posts.
Lot of pics from today: all of the following posts show each plant from on top and from a side view
1st - Cali Orange top View
2nd - Cali Orange Side View
3rd - Bubbleicious Top View
4th - Bubbleicious Side View
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Jun-04-2007, 23:21
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Day 10 - continued
More pics,
1st - Cali Orange top View
2nd - Cali Orange Side View
3rd - Bubbleicious Top View
4th - Bubbleicious Side View
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Day 10 - more pics
1st - Cali Orange top View
2nd - Cali Orange Side View
3rd - Bubbleicious Top View
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Day 10 - Last Set
1st - Cali Orange top View
2nd - Cali Orange Side View
3rd - Bubbleicious Top View
4th - Bubbleicious Side View
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