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Did not miss anything with my review.Small buds mean you are getting the bottom half of the plant not the top.John is not the grower so venders sell what they do not want.The main thing is that you were happy that is what counts.You need to find a good caregiver.Most charge anywhere from 250-325.
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On to more important stuff... I have my issues with store-front dispensaries too. They are quite expensive, but do make good places to go and try many varieties. That said, I am interested in grower/caregivers who operate in lower-cost models and can provide good oz. pricing. Do you have some contact info? |
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Sorry can not help you.My caregiver is not taking on anymore patients at this time.
I have been to alot of disp.Buffalo Meds in Nederland have alot nicer products than John, their buds are very nice and they can tell you where they do come from.They are also starting to grow.I was there just looking and enjoying the area on sat.I could not help and I bought a qt.of Mandarin Haze.for 80.00.It was great.Nothing there is over 350.z.There is a nice store on 32 in Highlands area.father and daughter ,they are growers and have organic ladies.In june I bought a z for 325 including tax of durbin poison.it was great ,they also have nicer looking ladies than John has,because they are the growers.I am not at all speaking bad of John,it is great to see so many stores opening,but not all are good.another store is in westmester on 72 st.they grow alot of their ladies to ,always 35 + strains.If one can only afford to buy qt.It is alot harder to get nice looking ladies.Tops of the plants are much nicer in every way.You seem to know alot on them you should start growing.peace,jazz Ps for 100 qt your buds should all be nice !!!! small pieces suck
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When we talk about prices, let's take a step back and have a look reality before we get too excited.
The legalization/decriminalization of things makes them less expensive, not more so. The price of gold has been exploding exponentially over the last few years and it's currently at a little less than $1000/oz. They say "money doesn't grow on trees," but cannabis does (figuratively speaking). Should two and a half ounces of cannabis be worth a one ounce bar of gold? How about the prices of some other agricultural products retailing on the consumer level? Let's see...Tobacco. It's a much more volatile substance, so not only do the tobacco companies have to deal with the pseudo-legality of their product, they also have to dish out big money for lawsuits and money for civil suit lawyers. A pack of the most expensive brand name pre-rolled cigarettes weighs 1.1 ounces and retails for around $5. That's including all the packaging, papers and filters too. Rolling your own costs even less, and they usually throw in a complimentary pack of rolling papers. I'm not saying that marijuana should cost $5 an ounce, and I want to see people able to make a profit from the industry and be able to support themselves while doing work that spreads awareness and acceptance of cannabis as a medicine. But it damn sure shouldn't cost as much as most dispensaries are charging, even the ones who are selling at "only" $100 for a quarter. Even on the black market a quarter from someone who knows where to get it only retails for about $75-$90. If the dispensaries can't get the prices down they're not going to survive in a legal market. I suggest patients choose private caregivers and caregiver co-operatives; who/which retail marijuana for between $200-$300. Those are the growers, and the growers' co-ops. Private caregivers and caregiver cooperatives are less likely than the dispensaries to be raided, and if your dispensary ends up like one of the dispensaries in Colorado that recently got raided by the feds then your name and documentation goes into a federal database. The feds don't have time for individuals who are growing enough for only a couple of other people, they will continue raiding the dispensaries. The huge DEA operation in Hawaii that went on just a couple days ago targeted all the dispensaries on several islands, it was not focusing on rounding up caregivers, it was engaged in a shock and awe mass-raid of the dispensaries. So maybe it's not economical to own a dispensary yet in the current legal environment. I think it could be done, but if it's not economical to own a dispensary yet in the current legal environment that's no reason to rip people off in order to do so when there are other legal and much more affordable alternatives ot there, of better quality. Let's face it, the dispensaries that aren't growing their own are getting somebody else's leftovers, who is keeping the better stuff for themselves and their patients. That's why the tiny buds, caregivers can only legally have 2 ounces of product per patient, and when they get more than that in a single harvest (six or even three plants can give you waay more than 2 ounces), they sell the excess to dispensaries who in essence recieve and mark up a product that's inferior to the cheaper version. Dispensaries that grow their own are at least possibly producing an equivalent product to what smaller scale gardeners are producing, but still their retail products are overpriced. Really, mass-producers don't produce the same quality product that small-scale producers do, but they may have a larger strain selection. The only reason I can ever imagine going to a dispensary that didn't grow its own would be for convenience, like going through the drive-thru at mcdonalds. You're not there for price, it'd be cheaper to shop at the grocery store. You're damn sure not there for the quality. You're there for convenience, because it's a way to get yourself a little something to hold yourself over until it's time to make a real purchase. |
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I know I'm new here, but I have to disagree with OP on Pain Management of Colorado. Admittedly I am not a patient myself; I don't have a qualifying condition and I try to keep on the right side of the law so that I can be an effective political advocate for legalization. But with the caveat that as a non-patient I haven't actually tried their product, I think PMoC has a lot going for them.
For one thing, they have medical marijuana dispensaries in Boulder, Denver, Vail, Colorado Springs, Fort Collins and Aspen, and they're opening more. Convenient if you have to get your medicine while traveling. The people involved seem to me to be very passionate about medical marijuana advocacy and helping patients. I know that when another local dispensary was found not to be handicapped-accessible, the head of PMoC was willing to reach out to disability advocates and seek their advice on how to build new dispensaries to allow patients with disabilities to gain easy access. I don't think someone just in it for the money would volunteer to spend extra $$$ on construction to help patients out like that. Granted, the loads of dispensaries with various medical marijuana doctors probably have varying quality--I'm only really familiar with the Denver and Boulder people. And, waxing philosophical for a moment, I honestly like seeing a larger company dealing with medical marijuana in Colorado and expanding to other states. I think that legalization will finally happen when business demands it. Politicians aren't listening to the over 70% of ordinary Americans who want legalization now; they'll only listen when it affects their bottom lines. Once the business community starts to tell Congress and state legislatures that they want legalization and the politicians realize how much tax revenue could be made that way, we'll finally be able to change the image of marijuana advocates from "a bunch of stoners" to "ordinary business people with families who use, buy or sell marijuana and/or support others' right to do so." |
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Well, honestly does one really have to name names to find a dispensary charging more than $100/qt? I am not throwing anyone under any bus.
Dispensaries exist so people who don't have a connection to a grower can have a safe, friendly, reliable place to buy their medicine. If people have a safe and reliable connection without going to a dispensary, great. For those who don't, we are here. As far as quality goes, I have no problem putting my product under a scope for anyone. It is top shelf. I also have a sampling room on site. Bring your glass. Sample anything in the store before you purchase. I encourage it. So, Naturelover, before you dismiss a store for its high prices, please come in and see what we have, get a taste, and then make a decision. John Rocky Mountain Organic Medicine |
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re: $100 quarters
I've paid a good bit more than that on a price-per-gram basis; I think most patients probably have. $100 quarters don't exactly make me jump for joy, but I don't think that's exorbitant if the medicine is top notch. I live in a different part of the state or I would definitely be visiting John and sampling his medicine. The fact that he encourages his patients/customers to scope and sample before they purchase is a good sign, IMO. Also, I can't wait to visit the Boulder/Denver area and try some of these places. |
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On one hand, it seems only right that an entity that sells a consumable, that cost as much as a precious metal per oz, encourages and is allowed to provide sampling. On the other hand, this has the potential to attract unwanted attention. And some will argue that... Without a designated driver, this type of thing might violate a principle of responsible cannabis use. I hope this aspect of dispensaries will work out. But at the same time, I hope the people utilizing this service understand how much of an extremely experimental privilege it is right now & treat it as such. If this were to work out well at RMOM, and a given dispensary was allowed, it would be hard for dispensaries, in the future, not to offer such a service. However, it this goes bad at RMOM, the sampling issues may never be heard from again. |
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i mean since all the equipment and electric and overhead is free also then i don't know why you would even care what he's doing. im not taking up for him don't even know him but i find it very odd when peole say someone is a rip off for charging what ever they charge as if it cost nothing to do.forget all the cost u still sumwhat have to worry about leo still and robbers too. ![]() but im sure im wrong i could see bitching about gas prices as u can't make your own but your legal and u want to whine about this dude when if it's so free and easy do it yourself huh?ps mcdonalds is cheaper when is the last time u went to the store? say tacobell u go buy 10 tacos@59cents each total around 6$ to buy the same stuff thats in those tacos at the store would cost you 16 $ go see for yourself.
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ps the 2 1/2 oz worth an oz of gold stuff i say this after all the money for equipment,overhead,leo,robbers,neighbors being nosey and so on u still have all the time that grower spends growing it and caring for it.so are you saying that that person that is doing all of this should do it all for free just to give it to a person thats looking for a free handout? why i say that cause thats how it sounds when u could do all of it yourself? i'll say to u like i said b4 to another since it's free and this guy is a rip off for charging what he is then put your money where your mouth is and u do all the growing and i want to see u hand it out for totally free k?..... yea did'nt think so
would u expect to go to your job and them tell you that you should work for free and to quit being so greedy for wanting the wage you want per hr? again did'nt think so.....wow
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Just a thought to think about:
Cargiver what does that really mean? Being very sick that meds do help you with pain and mental heath. Having very little money !! CAREGIVER somewhere in the 400.oz the meaning gets lost. Black market wanting to smoke to fill good,still 400 oz. Peace JAZZ
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Palerider, you can do what you like, whatever works for you. For those who are finding it easier to find dispensaries than it is to find a grower or caregiver's co-operative I would suggest they just go to MMJ Community events, like the cannabis health fair in Boulder tomorrow. Having trouble finding access to affordable products of competitive quality, that might be a good place to go. Otherwise there are lots of patient advocacy meetings in boulder, denver, colorado springs, pueblo and probably just about everywhere else. If you need help finding one in your area let me know and I'll help you out. The people who run patient advocacy groups are very good at getting patients their medicine as though it is medicine and not a luxury.
I won't say anything more about John's shop until I visit it. I go to dispensaries and review them as an act of patient advocacy and will continue to do so. I have actually just over the past few days been developing a ten point checklist for things I look for in a dispensary to review, so from now on when I review a dispensary there will be a formula and it will offer a lot of information, and will be easily comparable to other dispensaries I've reviewed. I'll give you an example in an upcoming post, when I get back to reviewing the dispensaries. |
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Pikes Peak Alternative Health and Wellness 1605 South Tejon St Ste 101 Colorado Springs CO 80905 Price: $350 for an ounce, $12.50 for a gram. We paid 23 something after tax for a half an 8th (1.75g) Caregiver Policy: You must sign over your caregiver rights for service. (We told the guy we were new patients and trying to buy a gram or two from each dispensary to find out which one we liked best he made an exception for us for that one time.) Quality of Product: The half 8th we got had about 6 seeds in it. The seeds were not visible on the outside of the buds and didn't appear until we began breaking up the bud. It wasn't riddled with them but once every two bowls or so you'd get one. There were also no seeds in the bottom of the jar, which leads me to a mild suspicion that the people who work there remove the loose seeds on a regular basis to make the product more presentable. Obviously the potency could have been better, but on the bright side we did get some free seeds with decent genes. Atmosphere: Professional and comfortable. Seemed like you were in the office of a holistic personal trainer. In fact, I think they might also function as a personal trainer services as well. You do not feel like you're doing anything uncooth or dangerous when you're shopping there. It's a very safe feeling environment. Staff Knowledge: There are apparently two people who work there and we only met one of them. He was not very knowledgable. He didn't medicate, and when we asked him about the percentage Indica/sativa of some of his strains he had to look each one up individually on the computer in order to tell us. Staff Friendliness/helpfulness: Was plenty friendly. We arrived when he was closing up and he let us in anyway and brought all his stuff back out. Even though it was obvious he was not the top boss he bent the company's caregiver policy for us so we could as least sample the product before asking us to sign over our caregiver rights. As far as helpfulness, he was as helpful as he could be given the company's caregiver policy and his limited knowledge of the products. Strain/Product Variety: About 12-15 different strains available for purchase, mix of indicas, indica dominants, sativa dominants and 50/50 hybrids. Also had medicated lozenges. They also had brownies with roughly 3 grams of medication in each. Grow their own: No Sell plants/clones: No Would I go again: If their caregiver policy were different I might go there sometimes for the convenience of a cheap gram, or when I didn't mind sacrificing a bit of potency for some free seeds from a good strain. Unfortunately I don't know how comfortable I feel changing my caregiver every five minutes to whatever business happens to want to sell me something today, so I probably will not return until/unless their caregiver policy becomes less restrictive. A dispensary/grower should have their own certification; they should not be relying on the patient's certification to cover their own butts, and bullying patients into signing away their caregiver rights every time they want to shop at a new store. Some dispensaries just make a copy of your card or doctor's recommendation and your ID and then allow you to shop there, and that's all that's legally needed from the patient. |
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Colorado Cannabis Center 5953 Omaha Blvd Colorado Springs 80915 Price: $20/g Caregiver Policy: Will not serve caregivers who do not have paperwork. The State of Colorado no longer issues paperwork for caregivers. Lots of pressure to sign over your caregiver rights. It is unclear whether they would have sold to us if we had been interested in buying anything and refused to fill out a change of caregiver form. Quality of Product: Did not sample it, but it was not visually appealing enough for us to waste our money. Atmosphere: Sketchy. Feels like you're making a drug deal, and like you have to be careful not to be taken advantage of. There is a lot of pressure to do things exactly their way and the whole time you're there you know in the forefront of your consciousness that they're in it for the money, and that they're paranoid about getting busted. The room that they bring you back into to do business in is smaller than the lounge, which is very small itself. Staff Knowledge: Seemed to know a lot about the legal side of things, but not so much about the medicine. They weren't clueless about the medicine, but they weren't especially generous with product information. It's difficult to tell whether they don't know a lot about the products or whether they just don't want to share that information with the patient because of the poor quality and high prices. Staff Friendliness/Helpfulness: Very low score. The staff is there to sell you your drugs and send you on your way before the cops show up and they have to take the fall for the owner. That's what it feels like anyway. That's the vibe. To their credit when we asked them where we could find some other dispensaries to look around for they told us where to find the green pages at a 7-11 down the road. Strain/Product Variety: About ten strains and glass for sale. Didn't notice any edibles. It wasn't an atmosphere conducive to getting a lot of specific information or asking a lot of your own questions. Sell Plants/Clones: No Grow Their Own: Don't know. Honestly, we didn't care for the reasons listed throughout the rest of these categories. Will I go Again? No. |
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Rockbrook, Inc. Colorado Ave, just past Yale coming from I-25. Denver, Colorado Price: $50/8th all the way up. We paid $25 for a half an 8th Caregiver Policy: After the introductions on our first visit we were asked us "Are you guys looking for a caregiver or are you doing your own thing?" When we said "We're doing our own thing" the subject was immediately and permanently dropped. They made a copy of our card and ID, returned them both to us and that was that. A+ caregiver policy. Quality of Product: Excellent. It was even visually stimulating enough that we decided several strains were worth $25 for a half 8th sample. We were very pleased with two of the three we purchased. Atmosphere: Very professional, upbeat. Feels like you're there for healing, feels like a legitimate environment and like you're being treated well. Staff Knowledge: We've met both Adam and Calvin during different visits. Both are very knowledgable about both the product and how it can be used as medicine. Adam seems to have an especially lot of information about the strains and their backgrounds and plant growth and care, and Calvin seems to be very knowledgable in the potential application of the medicine. Staff Friendliness/Helpfulness: Very friendly, willing to answer questions. Good personalities, they're good at creating a relaxing atmosphere to do business in and they're free flowing with their knowledge and resources (well, except pricewise with the medicine). Strain/product variety: They had about 5 different strains each of the two times we've been there. They had edibles and bubble hash and they either had or were working on some salves and tinctures. Their bubble hash is actually separated out and separately labeled strain specific as well as triche-size specific. Unfortunately, as far as bud goes they had been running out of the stuff they grew themselves and are talking about buying inventory from outsiders to hold them over for the next three weeks until their next harvest is done drying and curing, but they assured me that the problem was fixed and they have 11 strains in cultivation right now and that supply won't be a problem again. Sell Plants/clones: Yes, but you have to call ahead the day before so they can bring it in for you. They don't have the capacity to keep them alive indefinitely at the store. Grow Their Own: Yes Will I go Again: Yes, I'm sure that I will spend $25 on a half 8th from time to time when I'm in Denver and looking for quick convenient access to a small amount of medicine. It is good quality medicine, but with no price breaks all the way up they are not capable of meeting my needs as a primary source. |
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. A dispensary/grower should have their own certification; they should not be relying on the patient's certification to cover their own butts, and bullying patients into signing away their caregiver rights every time they want to shop at a new store. Some dispensaries just make a copy of your card or doctor's recommendation and your ID and then allow you to shop there, and that's all that's legally needed from the patient.[/QUOTE]
but don't they need all those patients so they can legally have so much on hand at any givin time? without the patients they would have very lil to offer unless im missing something here?i thought we were all the same as far as whats legal to carry have on hand?
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Cannabis Therapeutics 907 E. Fillmore St Colorado Springs, CO Prices: $3-$400/oz Caregiver Policy: Patient must sign over his/her caregiver rights for service. Quality of Product: Did not try the products. See caregiver policy above. Some of the products looked good and some looked okay. Atmosphere: Unpleasant. The first thing that happens when the door opens is you're greeted by this big macho intimidating bouncer with an intimidating presence. He lets you into the lobby where he checks your ids and stuff, and leads you on any tour/information gathering you might want to do before you sign over your caregiver rights. He brought us into the back room where they have all their displays and do their business and they happened to be trimming in that display room at the time of our visit. It was difficult to really get a good look at the stuff they had and much information about it in that kind of environment. Staff Knowledge: Seemed like the bouncer had a lot of info memorized that he spouted off and stuff, mostly about the way their dispensary worked rather than about the medicine. He was the only one we got to talk to. Staff Friendliness/Helpfulness: We were looking at the jars in the display cases maybe about a minute and a half after entering the display room (where they were trimming product right there in the middle of the floor onto a tarp that we had to walk around) when the phone rang and the bouncer immediately picked it up and waved his hands in front of our faces and motioned us out like "it's time to go now." Nobody but the bouncer even acknowledged our presence at all. I don't know if they would have been friendlier if they hadn't been trimming in the middle of the floor in the display area of their store, but our experience was you don't get to talk to or meet anybody but the bouncer until you've signed over your caregiver rights. Strain/product variety: There looked to be about a dozen strains there. They had a refrigerator of edibles and capsules, hard candy, tinctures, bubble hash, glasswork. We didn't really get a chance to see it all on our brief tour. Sell plants/clones: Yes Grow their own: Yes Will I go again: No |
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Think about it this way - when these places ask you to sign up with them, they have product to sell you right away right? They're not asking you to sign your caregiver rights over so they can start growing your plants. They already have enough medicine to serve you now, and it's legal for them to sell it to you. Patients and caregivers can buy/sell surplus amongst each other legally. There's no reason they need it and if there was then every dispensary would do it. Making you sign over your caregiver rights in order to get medicine is just plain bullying, it's only a legitimate if they actually won't be able to provide you with medicine for a few months while it's grown especially for you. If they're bullying you by withholding medicine and promising you immediate medicine as soon as you sign up then their caregiver policy is a scam. At least in my understanding. There are plenty of dispensaries that won't force you to fill out a change of caregiver form in order to obtain access to their medicine. Call around. I reviewed one. There are several that I talked to on the phone today who don't do it but haven't visited yet. I think it's also a case in some dispensaries that if you don't seem concerned about who your caregiver is they'll tell you you have to fill out a change of caregiver form, but if you do ask about that or if you call ahead and ask that question some dispensaries will say "Oh no, we don't do that," and then before they let you off the phone they make sure to get your name. I don't know for sure but I would imagine that they're writing down your name so they know that you called ahead and asked specifically about their caregiver policy before coming in, so that they remember not to jerk you around. I don't know that for sure, like I said, I'm just guessing. Last edited by NatureLover; Sep-11-2009 at 22:52. |
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TheStrainMan Review: Green Mountain Care in Littleton
Had a few visits to green mountain care already. Check out the review:
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