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    A MMJ card and a gun do not go hand in hand

    I guess alot of people who get their MMJ card dont realize that they are giving up thier right to own or carry a handgun.

    Guess what bros....You get your MMJ Card .....you are now a "REGISTERED" user of marijuana...You give up your right to "LEGALLY" buy or carry any guns





    Is it legal to have a medical marijuana prescription and purchase a firearm? No.
    Look at the BATFE's 4473 form, called the Yellow Sheet, which you must fill out when purchasing a firearm through a dealer.
    http://www.thundertek.net/documents/4473.pdf
    Look at question 12 e. It asks a purchaser: “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”
    Remember, this is a federal form, so it’s asking if the purchaser is a user to a (federally deemed) unlawful substance. Federal law still considers the use marijuana illegal. So, a legal Colorado user of marijuana could not answer 12 e. with a “No”. And if you answer “Yes”, you can’t buy a firearm from a dealer.
    Also, the 1968 Gun Control Act says (TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 922) click here for a link:
    (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
    (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

    Can someone who has a medical marijuana prescription possess a firearm? No.
    18 U.S.C. § 922 (g)(3) and 21 U.S.C. § 802 both prohibit anyone who is a user or is addicted to any controlled substance, including marijuana, from possessing, owning, purchasing, receiving, or having within his custody any firearms.

    Can someone who has a medical marijuana prescription get a concealed handgun permit? No.
    From Colorado Revised Statutes, 18-12-203
    Criteria for obtaining a permit
    (f) Is not an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance as defined in section 18-18-102 (5). Whether an applicant is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance shall be determined as provided in federal law and regulations.
    So, on every CCW application, you'll see this question:



    "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

    So, unless federal law is changed, application for a permit usually is denied, since federal law still considers the use of marijuana unlawful
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    Quote Originally Posted by VapedG13 View Post
    I guess alot of people who get their MMJ card dont realize that they are giving up thier right to own or carry a handgun.

    Guess what bros....You get your MMJ Card .....you are now a "REGISTERED" user of marijuana...You give up your right to "LEGALLY" buy or carry any guns
    That would probably disqualify about 99% of the adult population of the United States and it's territories from owning a firearm.

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    that is why the registry is supposed to be confidential

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    Pure B.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copobo View Post
    that is why the registry is supposed to be confidential
    Silly stoners....if you have to register with the State of Colorado for your mmj card.....who do you think runs and approves the gun application...the State of Colorado.

    And you all thought we were getting more freedom........shit



    Quote Originally Posted by Colodonmed View Post
    That would probably disqualify about 99% of the adult population of the United States and it's territories from owning a firearm.
    Legally anyone with a MMJ card.....is not allowed to own a gun...definatley not allowed to have a concealed weapons permit

    If you get busted for growing medical marijuana ...say in your house and you have weapon.... thats a whole different felony charge just for having the weapon
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    heres a link to check out FAQ Colorado Firearms Laws Frequently Asked Questions About Firearms Laws in Colorado Updated 7/19/2010
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    Quote Originally Posted by VapedG13 View Post
    Silly stoners....if you have to register with the State of Colorado for your mmj card.....who do you think runs and approves the gun application...the State of Colorado.

    And you all thought we were getting more freedom........shit





    Legally anyone with a MMJ card.....is not allowed to own a gun...definatley not allowed to have a concealed weapons permit

    If you get busted for growing medical marijuana ...say in your house and you have weapon.... thats a whole different felony charge just for having the weapon
    You're the silly one. The cdphe's registry computer is not linked in with other state departments.

    Quote Originally Posted by VapedG13 View Post
    heres a link to check out FAQ Colorado Firearms Laws Frequently Asked Questions About Firearms Laws in Colorado Updated 7/19/2010
    To quote your source: "THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE." Quote something fucking real, like an example, not just someone's 'best guess.'

    Another place where this all played out recently, Oregon, local sheriff attempted to interpret things in the manner you suggest, but the court allowed the mmj grower/user to keep their concealed weapons permit. So smoke it up and shoot it up.

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    the entire quote is
    It should not be misconstrued as legal advice, but rather as an amalgamation of experiences of RMGO staff, members and gun rights activists
    whose knowlege is very accurate

    In today's newspaper OREGON ... someone busted growing with a gun got a felony weapons charge Lincoln County man busted for growing marijuana | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram

    Of course state to state laws differ...but federal law remains the same

    the only way you get a concealed weapons permit is to lie
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    Quote Originally Posted by VapedG13 View Post
    the entire quote is


    whose knowlege is very accurate

    In today's newspaper OREGON ... someone busted growing with a gun got a felony weapons charge Lincoln County man busted for growing marijuana | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram

    Of course state to state laws differ...but federal law remains the same

    the only way you get a concealed weapons permit is to lie
    The individual got charged according to the story as an ex-Felon in possession of a weapon & does not appear to be a MMJ Grow, so I see 2 issues:

    1) Illegal Marijuana Grow
    2) ex-felon possessing weapon (this is illegal without the growing charge)

    Thus this reference does not provide any insite as to possessing as a MMJ user of Medicine & Legality of Possessing a Legal Firearm.

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    I personally know a registry card holder who was denied a gun purchase. He was told "guns and marijuana don't mix". I think that the idea of privacy is nice but naive.

    Privacy went away with the take over of america by the multinational corporate powers that be. Get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarvestHouse View Post
    I personally know a registry card holder who was denied a gun purchase. He was told "guns and marijuana don't mix". I think that the idea of privacy is nice but naive.

    Privacy went away with the take over of america by the multinational corporate powers that be. Get used to it.
    Anecdotal evidence that can't be verified aside.

    When someone applies for a concealed carry permit, are they subjected to a federal background check or a state one? Does the federal background check include checking with the Colorado MMJ Registry? I have to assume they'd have that authority.

    Is there any concrete evidence/links that people are getting denied concealed carry permits for the sole reason of being registered as a medical marijuana patient?

    HarvestHouse: Did your friend get a letter or something, or did someone at the gun shop say 'don't bother, guns and pot don't mix', or did he actually get denied for that reason?
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    I've had a CCL on and off for years and been on the registry on and off since 2003. I've purchased two long guns and a handgun in that time. The feds are not checking the registry. AFAIK, they don't have the ability. I recall the CCW form is a state form. When you buy a gun, there's the blue federal form, but I don't recall it asking about marijuana. It's been two years, so it's possible I'm misremembering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighPopalorum View Post
    I've had a CCL on and off for years and been on the registry on and off since 2003. I've purchased two long guns and a handgun in that time. The feds are not checking the registry. AFAIK, they don't have the ability. I recall the CCW form is a state form. When you buy a gun, there's the blue federal form, but I don't recall it asking about marijuana. It's been two years, so it's possible I'm misremembering.
    It's frustrating when people seem to cause an uproar over a non-issue, assuming you are accurate or until more info comes to light.

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    imo the whole med card/laws are a bunch of bullshit. you pretty much do sign over your rights and put on a list. as a American you have the right to own a gun. just my .2 cents
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    im holding off on my ccw permit bc of one question on the form about mmj. you will commit perjury if you sign it bc it is illegal at the federal level

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    Get your concealed carry permit. We're not second-class citizens, just because we have a red card. Jealously guard those rights!

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