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I have successfully made many of the edibles that we discuss here and have come to realize if you fail that you must try again. I made some capsules in a crock pot as was suggested,and they very mildly worked. Knowing in the practical world that you need fat to bind with and heat to decarb, and at least decent materials to work with. I set out to troubleshoot. I had made several beginners mistakes. The capsules more or less melted as soon as I put the mixture in as the water that errantly got in there from the crock pot will disolve the capsules that was Mistake #1. Mistake#2 was that I did not dry and finely grind the herbs. Mistake #3 the crock pot didn't quite get to 80c maybe 77 or so. So I see my mistakes, and am going to try to reheat the rest of the oil after chopping it some to make it more finely ground. Also at the same time I am making another batch with more potent materials. I hate to dry out these fresh greens but thats what's got to happen. Will post back with results
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I was sick of trying to hold the caps while filling them and didn't really want to fork over the cash for a capsule filling tray. I was at Michaels craft store and came across florist foam. It already had holes in it so every other premade hole I pushed a cap in to make the hole bigger/deeper. It works great and was a steal at $2.49.
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so do these work like fursure
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I’m really glad I tried this. Smoking and I don’t get along so I am very glad to have this option. Thank you Flameon and the contributors for the directions and information on this subject. I’ve learned a great deal by coming here. My first attempt at making this stuff was okay. The crock pot I used is very old (an original!) so I tested it first--every 10-12 minutes with an instant read thermo over a period of about two hours. The low setting of the pot runs too cool for this job. A heavy shot glass with a tablespoon of ghee was used as the vehicle. From a cold start, it took two hours to reach 257 deg F and then it hovered close to 258 for the next twenty minutes. Joy! Good to go. I don’t have a scale and it makes sense I should get one, but for this job I estimated the amount of bud to use based on one eighth of an ounce being about 3.5 grams. I oven-dried the bud for 15 minutes at 250 deg F, ground it fine with an electric coffee grinder and fed it to the hot oil in the pot for two hours. Then I let it cool in the pot for about a half hour with the lid off. While liquid, the resulting oil had what I would call a medium olive color. Later, I tried some of the results. It took a little over two hours before I felt it. I think this method is going to be great for me. Looking back, I just didn’t use enough bud to get the results I was hoping for, but it was good. Next time will be better. Thanks to all of you.
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....the resulting oil had what I would call a medium olive color...
Keep in mind, the greener the herb, the greener the oil. Medium Olive, or maybe a shade or two darker, is what I get.
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All right guys tonights the night its going down but i have a quick question. This may seem dumb but i have two thermometers one readying the temp in the crock pot and one for reading the temp of the oil in the glass I'm keeping it in but my problem is that i cant keep my candy thermometer in the crock pot at the same time because it wont fit so i have to open the lid take the glass out and tilt it to measure the temp of the oil which causes the temp of the oil to drop and the temp inside the crock pot which i would like to avoid.

Now my question is should the temp of the crock pot and the oil be the same because if so then i could just use the thermometer that i have sitting in the crock pot.

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Now my question is should the temp of the crock pot and the oil be the same because if so then i could just use the thermometer that i have sitting in the crock pot.
The temps will be close enough to work for you. Make sure the temp does not go above 250 F or you will be burning your herb. What I do with my crock pot is to fire it up on high for the first 30-40 minutes (it get up to 250 F), then take the lid off to cool it slightly back it down to the low setting. Temps remained about 225 F last time, slightly higher that the 200-210 F I wanted, but low enough to deliver the quality...
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Obviously there are temperatures too hot and too cold to get what's wanted. Heating time can be too short or past the point of diminishing returns. I propose we conduct a massive funded study to determine optimum yields based on these variables! How does temperature in range and time affect the results?
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Hey guys, two questions. When using the pan and mixing bowl method, how long do you simmer the hashish into the oil? I know you specified 1 hour with hash for the crockpot method, but no mention of how long with the PnMB method.

Also, just like when using bud, should the hash be pretty well broken up before I add it?
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Hi guys and thanks for the updates, Q's and field reports. Great info!

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Lol, Count me in. I've been experimenting with some different Sativa and Indica based strains to see which are better for pain relief/meditation/space exploration etc. I'll let you know how it goes.
Currently, my personal fav is a 60/40 indica dominated mix which I get by making two separate batches, with slightly more weed in the indica batch. So, couch-locked but flying 'high' in blissful contentment. 'Turn the volume up a bit will ya'

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Hey guys, two questions. When using the pan and mixing bowl method, how long do you simmer the hashish into the oil? I know you specified 1 hour with hash for the crockpot method, but no mention of how long with the PnMB method.

Also, just like when using bud, should the hash be pretty well broken up before I add it?
Don't worry about breaking the hash up too much, after about an hour it'll dissolve into a kind of sludge/mud anyhow (depending on its construction method).

I'm cautious about recommending the PnMB method unless people are aware how important it is to keep the temp as close to boiling point as they can (too low and the THC won't break down and dissolve into the oil.

Also, watch the hash to oil ratio's, I almost screwed up a batch last week trying a new hash variety that turned very 'fluffy' in the heat and expanded so much that in the end was about 70 percent hash 'mud' to about 30 percent oil.
It needs to be half and half at least to allow all the THC to dissolve out (think trying to dissolve a tablespoon of sugar in a teaspoon of water, you reach saturation point quickly and the rest just stays as undissolved sugar grains).
I ended up having to add more oil and re-heat it. Not the best way to get the most out of it.

Keep the heat around the boiling point mark and watch you don't overcook it (the THC in hash dissolves much easier than in weed, so an hour/hour and a half is fine - but anything more can start to degrade potency), and you'll be good to go.
Just out of curiosity, what sort of hash are using?

Anyhow, keep up the good work and let us know how you get on.
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Thanks for the great post, this seem like a very convinient way to get stoned.
Today I am going to pick up an eighth, to make 24 capsule, and smoke the remaining.
With the finished product, can I store them in room temperature? How long are they good for before i can notice decrease in potency?

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Thank you to Flameon and all the others who've helped refine this process. I haven't tried it yet but read the whole post. the potency factor makes it worth it not to mention the savings$$$

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First, I would like to thank Flameon (and others..can't forget the 'hound') for their work.

Second, I have been checking out a few things. The people that are having a hard time, when using crock pots, started me thinking. So, I took out my crock pot and started checking temps. Anyone using a crock pot might want to add water to the pot. I am currently running three inches of water, in mine. This will help with making the temps more even and will not burn up your unit (some crock pots will cut off due to safety constraints). Once I added the water I was able to reach the higher temps necessary to simmer the mixture. Also, allow a proper amount of time for the unit to heat. After adding the water I had to wait two hours before a good temp was reached (190F). The temps were checked using a meat, digital and mecury thermometer. Once this temp was reached, I then started my two hour countdown.

The item I am using to cook my batch is a glass condiment holder. This conducts heat very well and is easy to extract the mixture. My crock pot is a "Rival Select Crock Pot".
I am also lucky enough to have a digital stove. So, I can also use the stove-top method, with great results.

My first batch was with some standard cheap brown weed. I felt a slight buzz from the pills. But, the best part was it allowed me to sleep like a log (a tough thing for my condition). So when using cheap weed do not expect the same results that would result from hydro.

My second batch was with Apollo 11 Genius. This batch was cooked using the above crock pot method (added water). The Apollo was grown by me and is very potent (covered in crystals). The same bud would sell on the street for $400+ an ounce. This batch turned out to be what everyone here was looking for. One pill and you are quite ripped! Two pills and you are literally tripping. I wouldn't even consider three pills.....unless I met Flameon, Weedhound or MVP at a pub and we decided on ritual suicide

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I wanted to make a batch last night but my crockpot died, so instead I used the oven. I cooked it at 250 for about 3 hours. The finished product is ready to go I just have to wait till it cools.

Today is my day off so I decided to eat a little more then usual (about 1 gram). I will try and post my results later but if the oven method is successful I might not be able to .
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Alter, how long did you cook your stuff for......the GOOD stuff? And what were your temps?
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Alter, how long did you cook your stuff for......the GOOD stuff? And what were your temps?
I cooked the Apollo for two hours and fifteen minutes. Temps stayed steady at 190F. But, like I said, I think the most important thing was the addition of the water. Adding the water and waiting two hours for the temps to rise really made the difference.

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Well the oven method works. Holly shit am I loaded! I’m so blazed I cant go buy munches. It’s only been two hours and I am high.
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Ha ha I love stuff like that Ozo.

Been working with my crockpot and pretty sure I have the method down to what works for me. Toggling between low and high, using a ceramic bowl to heat instead of the cup, cooking things long enough and making sure the mix is cool enough to put into the capsules and I think I've got it down pretty well

Yesterday I cooked up a batch that ended up cooking for 4 hours in my crockpot at approx 225 (between 200 and 250 the entire time.) Without a doubt.....my BEST batch yet. The physicians assistant I spoke to mentioned to me that in most ways of cooking with ganja the longer you cook it the better...IF you stay within temp range.

Three pills was just a TOUCH too much...........next go I'll try two.
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