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um... i read the post right above me, and i wanted to say that its ok if you smell weed while cooking. it would be impossible to burn the weed up, as long as you have a transfer medium in physical contact with the weed.

yes.... if you just heat weed, without inhaling the smoke/vapors...... it will dissipate. but if you have the transfer medium physically touching the weed...... the thc will dissipate inot the medium.

i therorize that high heat is the best, because high heat causes rapid thc release, and it releases into your medium. in this case, cooking oil.

dont be afraid to go too high on the heat. as far as i know, you cant go too high on heat as long as you have the transfer medium right there.

let me know out there if anyone has gone too high on heat and been disapointed. as far as i know, the dissapointment comes from too low heat, not too high.
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So my first attempt worked amazingly, but every try after that has failed. Here is what I did, I replaced butter with coconut oil and found larger capsules. I also got a new slow cooker. This means that there are a lot of new variables. My first set of pills achieved the desired results but all of the attempts with coconut produced nothing …..No buzz, no high, nothing. Coconut oil seems to simmer at a higher temp but I’m not sure what would happen if I just simmer it on the stove top in a small frying pan. Is it better to have more or less heat and if the bud is browned after cooking dose that mean its no good? Id appreciate any answers.
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Soon after adding the weed to the pre-heated oil, there was a relatively strong smell of weed when I opened the oven door. This spooked me and from there my experiment kinda fell apart.
Hi again mobyone

A couple of things occurred to me after reading your post, but the main concern I would think is the weed smell.

In the majority of cases, most people have only been measuring and reporting the 'ambient' temperature seen 'inside' the crock pot/oven, not the actual temperature of the oil/butter, therefore, it's difficult to be certain with any degree of absolute accuracy as to how much the variance between these two temperatures is the norm.

However, I'm tempted to suggest two courses of action that I think will address the issues:

Firstly, the weed to oil ratio you describe sounds a little light on oil.

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The result seemed a bit heavy on the weed. There really wasn't much free standing oil
The amount of oil needed to successfully dissolve the THC will alter slightly depending on the weed used (how well dried and cured it is etc). Some will 'soak' up more oil than others, therefore you may need to 'top up' the oil in order to achieve at least a 50/50 split. Don't worry if you have slightly more oil than weed, that's fine. Too little oil, and you run the risk of not extracting enough THC.
In the same way that adding more than half a cup of sugar to less than half a cup of water would make it difficult to dissolve all the sugar.

For your next iteration, go with the lower heat, and make a single batch. Fill and set half the mixture in capsules (leave the other half in its container), if you're not satisfied with the potency you can re-heat the remaining mixture at a slightly higher temp and then compare results.

I'm more than confident you'll find a way to crack the technique, as clearly you've done your homework and really understand the principals involved.

Good work and thanks for keeping us updated.

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i therorize that high heat is the best, because high heat causes rapid thc release, and it releases into your medium. in this case, cooking oil.

dont be afraid to go too high on the heat. as far as i know, you cant go too high on heat as long as you have the transfer medium right there.
Sighs. Talking about 'doing your homework and understanding the principals'.

Bogoljub, If you've returned from your recent month long ban with the intention of making a useful contribution to the site and it's forums, then welcome back.
However, if you're just posting on this thread as a provocation or to re-start your vendetta against me, I'd rather you didn't.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, in order to understand what mobyone is talking about (rather than reading and replying to just one post), you'd need to spend a little time trying to understand what it is that we're trying to achieve in this method and the techniques involved.

In order to do that you'll need to read through the thread and understand the differences between: the 'low' and 'high' settings on a crock pot (and how they vary depending on make and size), the differences between temperatures in Celsius and Fahrenheit, and what the difference actually is between a 'low' and 'high' temperature as far as cooking is concerned.

You''ll find it easier to offer advice to people once you've had first-hand experience in preparing and making your own capsules.
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So my first attempt worked amazingly, but every try after that has failed. Here is what I did, I replaced butter with coconut oil and found larger capsules. I also got a new slow cooker. This means that there are a lot of new variables.
Hi again spector, how's it going?

The easy answer I guess would be to suggest going back to how you did it the first time. 'If it ain't broke. . .' etc
However, if you're after a slightly more scientific answer, I'm thinking (given what you've already said) that the crock pot is your biggest change (i.e. how much temperature is being applied).
Can you remember what setting it was on and for how long etc, also, the quantities used: oil and weed?

As a (wild) guess, I suspect it may have been running at too high a temperature (was it set on high?). Although it's not uncommon for the weed to turn brown during cooking, normally the oil itself is a pretty dark green-ish colour when done.

Once we sort out the differences between the two methods you've tried you'll be on to a sure-fire winner, especially given you've now got coconut oil and the bigger sized caps.

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cheers flameon for a top post!.
i made these using hash of my last northern lights crop(which was made with the CWE technique),the resulting caps were very potent and well worth the effort.
does anyone know whether different strains result in different highs?.also i'm sure that using a better grade of hash results in a higher potency in the caps(i used A grade the finest i made),maybe explaining the lacklustre results others posters have reported.
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Great thread, I just have a couple questions. I just ordered my capsules and coconut oil from amazon. Did I get the right stuff?

I can just stick a ceramic coffee mug inside of my crock pot, and use that? Will that still transfer all the heat correctly? Should I use the 'low' or 'warm' setting? I dont want to over/under cook my stuff..

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Great thread, I just have a couple questions. I just ordered my capsules and coconut oil from amazon. Did I get the right stuff?
Looks fine to me, I have used similar stuff with amazing results, just different brand names.....
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Ok, so the first time I took one gel cap and nothing happened. The next time I at two and then 1 hour and 20 minutes later I ate another one. I had a pleasant but very mild high for about 5 hours. A bit disappointing considering that the same amount in my vaporizer would have made me go hide in a corner somewhere LOL.

Anyway, one thing I found out is that my gel caps (size 1) are 1/2 the size of what most people are using (size 00). So, two for me is like one for you.

I decided to take what I had left and cook it again in the crockpot for 4 hours. The crockpot is in my garage where it is very cold, but the temp still gets up around 300 for the last few hours. I haven't been able to check the results yet, but I will. I added a bit more oil and I'm hoping to see an improvement in the results. The tell tale sign for me will be if the oil changes from green to yellow (good) or yellow to brown (bad).

Either way, I'm taking two the first time to see if cooking at a higher temp for longer makes an appreciable difference. After that I'll try 4.

It's amazing the amount of contradictory recipes and stories you find on the net. I've seen time/temp/quantity variances all over the place. It's crazy. I guess you just have to experiment for yourself.
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Unfortunately, every "experiment" costs $60, depending on what you are using.
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I'm doing this for the first time with hash and curious how long i should let it go compared to using bud. Also how much residue should there be at the bottom or should most of it dissolve and there shouldn't be a lot of residue.
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i just got 7 grams of morroccan hash in a coin that has arabic writing stamped into it!!! smoked some and got an AMAZING body high that had a very light headed feeling too...sounds like a PERFECT specimen for cannacaps huh
let yall know tomorrow...if i can type

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I decided to take what I had left and cook it again in the crockpot for 4 hours. The crockpot is in my garage where it is very cold, but the temp still gets up around 300 for the last few hours. I haven't been able to check the results yet, but I will. I added a bit more oil and I'm hoping to see an improvement in the results. The tell tale sign for me will be if the oil changes from green to yellow (good) or yellow to brown (bad).
Hi Moby
I hope your having a bit better luck with your capsules now. I'm still a little apprehensive as cooking for an additional 4 hours (on top of the original time), seems like it could be too long to me, especially if your crock pot is hitting 300 degrees. However, as you say, the process tends to require a bit of experimentation to nail down what works for you depending on the equipment you're using.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Two last Q's, seeing as you were using much smaller caps, what sort of numbers were you getting out of each batch?
Also, why are you wanting the oil to be 'yellow' instead of 'green', or have I misunderstood?

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Unfortunately, every "experiment" costs $60, depending on what you are using.
Wow Emo, if you're paying $60 for a couple of grams you either need to give your dealer the boot or think about growing your own. If you want to keep the cost to minimum (at least until you're confident about the results), you can try making it using just half a gram and a level teaspoon of oil. Less than $7 or $8 surely?
Anyhow, to come back to your earlier Q's, your caps and oil look good to me, the cup should be fine, and I'd go with the 'low' setting first to see how you get on.

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I'm doing this for the first time with hash and curious how long i should let it go compared to using bud. Also how much residue should there be at the bottom or should most of it dissolve and there shouldn't be a lot of residue.
Typically, when I'm using hash I only cook it for about an hour, or an hour and a half (it doesn't need to be 'broken down' to the same degree that 'raw' plant material does). As for residue (depending on the construction method, and contents of the hash), you'll end up with a kind of brown sludge/mud that settles at the bottom of your cup. I usually give it a stir before dividing it into the caps. N.B. use every last bit in the caps.

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i just got 7 grams of morroccan hash in a coin that has arabic writing stamped into it!!! smoked some and got an AMAZING body high that had a very light headed feeling too...sounds like a PERFECT specimen for cannacaps huh
let yall know tomorrow...if i can type

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Good luck, I'm very envious.
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Also, why are you wanting the oil to be 'yellow' instead of 'green', or have I misunderstood?
I was only noting that the oil color was still yellow. I want it to be green as others have noted. So, the oil did turn greenish brown and I tried one cap which actually had an affect when 1 cap before didn't have an affect. I will try 2+ caps soon.
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The essential cookery ‘Equipment’:

1. A Slow Cooker (see the first picture). Also known as a ‘Crock Pot’ in the States.

Or:

A medium sized pan, a mixing bowl and a lid (see the second picture), and some hot water.

2. A quantity of size 00 Gelatine Capsules. They can be bought from some pharmacies, health food shops or online in quantities of 100+ (see third picture).

3. A teaspoon (hopefully everyone will have one of these).

The essential cookery ‘Ingredients’:

Either: 1 gram of good Hashish (not soap bar).
Or: 1 gram of fine grained ‘keif’.
Or: 1.5 grams of good ‘Bud’ (no stems, no seeds, or pointy leaves).

And: 7 grams (one and a half teaspoons) of Coconut oil or clarified butter*.


The optional cookery items:

A capsule holder to help when filling (see part 3).
A syringe or pipette to fill the caps with a measured dose of oil (see part 3).
A set of accurate measuring spoons (see part 3).


OK, assuming you’ve got access to a ‘crock pot’ (or a least a pan and a mixing bowl), and a little ‘weed’, what else is required?

The other main essential items are the capsules to put your activated mixture in, and (possibly) a few other extras to help in the measuring and filling process, and that’s it.
Instead of buying those capsule things can i just empty like a ADD medication capsule and fill it up?
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what do you think would happen if you used the oil to make brownies or something like that?
sorry if this has already been mentioned, i just dont have time to read all of the pages right now
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If you had all 12 capsules in your hands when the cops came......you'd be busted with a handful of coconut oil and 1.5 grams of bud. That's all you have ....that's all they can do.
This isn't exactly true. The law states that when determining the weight of the 'marijuana substance', it is the total of the smokable portion of marijuana (THC) and any other combined substances. (Eg. You get caught with weed. They weigh the whole bud including stems and seeds, which aren't smoked.)

But im not sure about the caps. It would probably be one of the situations where the court will have to determine the action and not just use stare decisis.
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Unless you have a nice stem or whatever in your capsules you've still only got 1.5 grams of weed so I'm not sure what you are saying there......

If what you mean is that the OIL is now illegal because it's got THC in it.....that might be something to think about.

Thanks for the tip.
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Exactly right. From how the law states in most US States, the oil would be illegal now. But since this would probably be different than any other case the judge has determined, he will probably have to either hold up the idea that the oil is illegal (stare decisis) or make a different ruling. The problem is, that the oil will probably be included in the weight because there is no way to determine how much weed you actually put in them. (They won't just take your word on it).
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