It helped a lot... thanks very much!
What i had in mind was far for anything scientific... i was wishing to get more stoned than usual, and thought about eating weed (or hash oil in my case).
Then, reading your post i learned the reason because your recipe works even with small amounts of weed (the short chain fatty acids). But the only oil i had was soybean oil, which is rich in poliinsaturated fats, and very poor in saturated (the good ones). As the only other source of fat i had was cheese, i thought it could work.
Of course i did weed sandwich several times, but as i always used a LOT of weed, i never knew if the strong effects i felt were due the good absortion of the THC by the cheese, or due the amounts of weed i did use.
As now i have only small amounts of hash oil, i had to be sure that mixing it in cheese would work with small amounts.
So, even without your answer, i did it. I used about 6x the amount i would smoke usually, and get almost as high as if i had smoked. Or rather... the level of higness were almost the same, but the duration were far greater... some 2-3 hours of high.

Well... it would be VERY unfair if i refused to answer your questions, after this long reply from you... anyway, i have the same pleasure that you have in answering questions, so any questions will be welcome!

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Hey Flame,

I tried to make some capsules this weekend and Ill give you an update.I used what I had on hand and just made my butter recipe.I figured if I screwed it up I could just make treats.I have been upping my ratio of butter to weed over the past few months and the strongest I have made up to this point was 3-4 cups of weed/trim/shake to one pound of butter.Fri.night I used 6 cups of weed/trim/shake to one pound of butter.I put in my crock pot (total of 2 lbs butter,12 cups weed/trim/shake) with 10 cups of water and let it cook down for 12 hours.I took one capsule right before I went to bed and it helped me sleep and I was having great dreams.Ill give you an update on how my stuff worked out.The one thing I noticed using almost twice as much weed in my butter was how very very dark green it was,almost a shade or two away from being black/green.

Hey Weedhound,yup I found the capsules to be a pain in the ass to fill as well but I am getting my technique down.I keep the capsules in the fridge and use a sharp knife and shave slivers of butter off and fill it that way.I tried the syringe method but just melted the caps.I still have to watch it though as my fingers will melt the caps as well.

Well more updates later.Hey flame thanks for the great thread...heres your atta boy for the day.Take care,be well, and most of all be safe.

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I understand you make them into capsules to help yourself with dosage, and the ability to base your boundaries and experiences on how many you have taken, but if you really wanted to, could you just take an equal liquid portion of the butter oil and just drink it for the same effects?

I don't mean to derail the thread, but I've been reading hashish eating stories all day and my capsules haven't arrived yet. I have a tiny bit of hash left and Im thinking I'll just rearrange the ingredient amounts and chug it before school tomorrow =P.

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I really think the capsule is just something to put things in. I'm not using the capsules and I just let the stuff harden on a plate (using coconut oil) and I'm sure you can do the same thing with the butter. Or slap it on a cracker or something.

Ok,here is my update.Last night I took two of the capsules,made sure I ate something.About an hour and 15 minutes later I felt a slight buzz,and decided I needed to take another capsule.About 15-20 minutes later the first two (I am assuming)slammed me down on the couch and I stayed there the rest of the night.About an hour and half or so later I was having great dreams.

Here is the problem,my stomach was very very upset and if I wasnt so blasted probably would have been very uncomfortable to the point of having a great deal of discomfort.I did eat with the first two and then got the munchies before I took the third.My capsules are essentially my butter recipe (12 cups weed,10-12 cups of water,2 lbs of organic butter).Any thoughts or ideas?If I am going to have problems I usually get heart burn pretty bad sometimes,but I didnt with this,just a really upset stomach,upset and painful almost.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

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Hi aristotle

Weedhound's answer is spot on, once you've made the oil its active and potent, you don't need the capsules to eat it, you could just spread it on toast or eat it in solid form straight out of the fridge. Just be careful if re-heating it not to go too high or you'll vape the THC.
Good luck.

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Hi Charles, your reaction time sounds just like mine so I'm guessing were of a similar build.
I can predict almost to the minute when the effects start after I've taken these capsules. It's always about an hour and a half, so you possibly 'jumped-the-gun' by about 15 minutes with the third capsule, but it's all a learning process.

However, I don't think that was the cause of your upset stomach though.
I had a similar experience to yours once when making capsules from dried bud.
I mistakenly used some of smaller 'pointed' leaves in the mix, and although I thought they'd be OK I found out later that they're covered in microscopic thorns that can survive the 'grinding' process. These 'thorns' can irritate the stomach lining causing cramp and diarrhea. (particularly if the stomach doesn't have much in it).

I'm guessing, but this might be the cause of the discomfort you encountered. Your canna butter recipe sounds bang on, and clearly the THC extraction worked great.
Two things I was wondering, do you strain the weed out in your recipe, and how do you normally take it, i.e. cakes, biscuits etc?

Hope your feeling better now. Cheers flame.

P.S. I just thought, my own experience has been never to eat anything until the reaction starts to peak (around 4 or 5 hours after swallowing), as on the few times I've done that, I have had an occasional stomach ache as well. I'm not sure what the cause of this might be, maybe the THC effects a slow down of the digestive system? I'll go and see if I can find anything on the net. Anyone else come across this?

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Love it Charles....

I've been trying all sorts of stuff and never had a stomach issue but I'm known for a pretty iron stomach.

Flame.....you've cut my ganja use by about 4/5's. Can't thank you enough for that alone.

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flame holds out cap lol

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I'd be pouring champagne bottles full of caps for you.

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Ok well I am giving this a shot tonite. I am a little confused on how this could get you that high. I usually do in a crockpot 1/3 cup of coconut oil with 14 grams of good coffee ground bud. I usually simmer on low for like 12 hrs. Then I strain it thru cheese cloth and bake the brownies. The brownies make 16 brownies. 1 brownie gets me pretty rocked and 2 makes me pass out.

Each brownie has about the tch extracted from .8 grams of bud. Now I am using 5 grams of good bud to 1 tbs of coconut oil.

the way I figure it each tab should contain the tch extracted from .2 grams of bud.

Am I wrong. Do you lose some tch from baking it in the oven at 325 for 50 mins?

ALso should I strain the bud out and just use the oil or should I try and divide up the junk amount the capsules?

Thanks

Also I am thinking that I usually simmer the 1/3 cup oil for 12 hrs so should I go ahead and do it for like 4 or 6 hrs or stick with 12?

nice. sounds like a good process with good review. ive got a 1000 gelcap bag and capper in mail now, and i plan to grab some bud or preferably hash this weekend

on the thorn thing: if using bud, are there any methods of capsulizing it better/worse, as well as any way to remove thorns in buds?

Hey Flame,
After thinking about the sequence of events last night I came to the conclusion that I did not eat enough and what I ate was not good enough to coat my stomach.I am a bit of a light weight so take what I have to say with that in mind.I have never been that blasted off from weed,holy excrement Batman.I mean I could get up and go to the bathroom,get a drink and stuff but I really had to focus to do it.Glad I got my chores done first or the girls would have gone without water/feeding for the night.Im hoping that the stomach thing was just a screw up on my part on not following directions correctly.Each one of my pills weighed just at a gram each.

Flame Ill paste my brownie recipe at the end of this note.Ill also include how I make my butter.Nothing new just that Im an idiot when it comes to how much weed/trim/bud/shake I use.I am feeling better now,thanks for asking Flame.Drank to much coffee this morning to do my radio show as I was still feeling the effects from last night which didnt help.Did I mention how blasted I was,haha.I might measure everything out and see how much I used to make brownies in relation to how much butter in is the pills.Just seems like I hardly scratched the surface of the butter and I made over 30 pills.Ok, here is my recipe and how I make butter,thanks again for this great thread Flame,take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

Blackout Brownie Recipe:
(or as I like to call them, my super stupid brownies)

Butter:

2lbs of butter
10-12 cups of water (add water as the mixture cooks down)
12 cups of trim/shake/buds (the better your trim/shake/buds the better your butter will be, the best butter I ever made was using two whole plants)

There are various methods getting your trim/shake/buds into a form which one can use to make butter. If I’m using a whole plant I pull the buds off and put them into my final bag. The leaves and trim I have left over go into a food processor to make a flour like substance many call canna flour. After running through the food processor, (some folks use a coffee grinder) I then use this for my butter in the crock-pot. I am currently letting the trim dry out at this time but I also think if one just put the whole bag into the freezer right away that might work as well.

Cook on low setting in crock-pot for 12-24 hours. I usually only cook for 12 hours, add water as needed. Very important not to let the mixture cook to far down as the water keeps the cannabis from degrading in the heat. Strain the mixture through a cheese cloth making sure to press out as much of the butter from the leaf material as possible as that is where all the good stuff is locked up. Put in the refrigerator for a few hours and wait for the butter to harden. The butter will solidify on the top, take this out and put in another container and discard the water.

From the shake that I used I got approximately 50 grams per 2 cups which works out to about 600 grams of shake/trim/buds for my recipe. We all know that there are 448 grams in a pound so this works out to 896 grams of butter. This gets us pretty close to a 1:1 ratio of butter to weed. I understand it’s a bit impractical for most folks to use over a lbs of weed to make butter but this can be scaled down for your use. I make butter a few times a year with my left over trim that I keep in the freezer.

Note:
You will want to let the mixture cool a bit as you don’t want to burn your hands, but you still want the mixture pretty warm so that you are able to press as much of the butter out of the plant material and your cheese cloth as possible. I use the twist and press method right up to the point of tearing the cheese cloth (which often happens). I have used synthetic cheese cloth as its so much cheaper but I prefer working with natural cheese cloth (it does tear a bit easier).

Brownie recipe:

Ducan and Hines chewy fudge brownie mix (I use the two egg variation)

To this add:
1 package of 8oz cream cheese
substitute ¼ cup of cream (half and half) for water as called for in the mix
1 package of swirled caramel and chocolate chips
¾ of a package of Heath pieces toppings
¼ of cup of hot fudge sundae topping
½ cup of caramel sundae topping
¾ cup of melted cannabis butter (recipe calls for ½ cup of oil)

Warm up the cream cheese for 30 seconds in the microwave and cut into the brownie mix. I add two eggs as I like the chewy brownies not the cake like ones. I then add the entire package of caramel and chocolate chips, a ¼ of the package of the Heath topping and then the hot fudge and a ¼ cup of the caramel sundae toppings. Finally I add the melted cannabis butter and mix as directed on the package with the exception being that I use a ¼ cup of cream instead of water . After pouring the mixture into a 13 X 9 pan I sprinkle the rest of the Heath topping over the top of the brownies. I then heat up the caramel topping and drizzle the remainder over the brownies and cook for thirty minutes.

I have experimented with the amount of butter used in my recipes. In the past I have used as much as a full cup of butter. This was probably overkill as I think you hit a point of diminishing returns. A ¾ of a cup mixture seems to be just about the right amount of butter to use. The brownies aren’t to greasy and I am not wasting any of the precious butter.


Final recommendation:

In a 9x13 pan I used to cut the brownies into 15 squares. For the most part everyone who had one of these eventually cut them in half and ate them that way as I had reports of some folks still being messed up the next day. So now I cut them into approximately 2x2 (just under) squares and that is just about half the size of what I was doing. Seemed like over kill to have the brownies that big when after eating one folks were only then eating half because of their experiences with these treats. I have been told by long time smokers and brownie consumers that these brownies got them the most messed up they had ever been. A few friends who are medical patients informed us that within an hour and half their pain was gone or substantially subsided without the stomach problems that their doctor prescribed pain medication frequently gives them.

Make sure you are where you want to be in an hour and a half (on an empty stomach, times vary from individual to individual) because when these babies kick in you might have a hard time finding your way back home or to where ever it is you want to be. Works great for joint pain and anything else that is bothering you. We’ve had friends take these late at night (after 11pm) and are still feeling the effects the next morning so this might also be a consideration when consuming these little treats.

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ok well I finished. I couldnt imagine not straining the liquid through cheese cloth so I only got 12 pills instaed of 24. Im gonna try these out tomorrow if they work I guess I will try not straining them next time but I would think that they would be weaker as the powder shouldnt have much thc in it anymore so the liquid wouldnt be as strong as it would be diluted with the low thc power by half. But maybe im wrong. I will post reults on Thursday after a few people try them out.

Hi zero,
Sorry I missed this earlier , I would have liked to have asked a favour regarding your up coming cooking session.

Generally, I only simmer for about 2 to 4 hours, though I have read studies that say cooking for longer periods alters the type of 'high' you experience (It's something to do with how the prolonged heat changes the various pharmacological compounds).
So, I was going to ask if you would do half the mix for say 4 hours, and the other for twelve to see what difference (if any) you saw in the results.
Ah well, never mind I need to run this experiment myself at some point.

The strength issue is an interesting one, when I first started out I was copying recipes given to me by some of the commercial Dutch 'space cake' makers. Generally they range from 0.2 to 0.3 of a gram per product, but, they don't operate the same quality control regulations for 'baked' products as they do for 'over the counter' weed. i.e. some cook with hash, others weed, some strain, some don't, and generally, it's mid grade that gets used (with a few notable exceptions).

So, once I started making my own I noticed a big difference in potency due to using better ingredients.

As a 'rule-of-thumb' I tend to allow around 0.25 of a gram of hash or 0.35 of bud per person when baking cakes etc (for a 6 to 8 hour-ish knockdown), but like weedhound, I've noticed a significant drop in the amount I need in capsule form to achieve the same effect - about .17 of hash or .25 of bud (roughly a third less).

I think this is partly down to combination of things:

1). The method is very efficient (almost none of the THC gets lost because the temp is below the vaporisation point - 285 fahrenheit). 2). Nothing is wasted (don't throw or stain the residue, tests seem to show it helps quite a bit in the potency).
3). Coconut oil is healthy (pretty tasty too), and an excellent THC absorber/transmitter.
4). Lastly, and I think most importantly, it's a concentrated hit (undiluted by a cake or brownie mix etc), and therefore the stomach acids (Digestive enzymes etc) get very little chance to degrade the THC before it passes into the bloodstream.


I hope this helps.

P.S. zero when cooking your brownies, I'd cook them for longer BUT at a lower temperature (under 285 if possible).
50 minutes at 325 is long time to be cooking at over the THC vaporisation point, you'll notice a difference in strength, and your kitchen won't smell so much lol!

P.P.S. I just re-read your ingredient list,"5 grams of good bud to 1 tbs of coconut oil"
This (and not using the residue) is probably why you're a bit light on the final mixture.
You need to allow 1.5 teaspoons of oil (7 grams) per 1 gram of hash/kief or, (in your case) 1.5 grams of bud, so, you need to use 1.5 tablespoons of oil (1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons).

I'm off to lie down for a bit now
Cheers guys

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Charles, I absolutely love the sound of that recipe!

I think we should all meet up at weedhound's for a Canna-Cookery masterclass!

You bring the cann-butter, I'll bring a bag of capsules, and weedhound can do the 'baking'! lol
Who's bringing the beer and pizza?

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Hey Flame,its a date,sounds like fun,woo hoo.Ill try the capsules again this weekend and give you another update.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

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Bravo, my friend. Bravo. The Iron Chef of cannibus. It's what's for dinner!

Need alot of couches for this party LOL!!

Flame I'll pop some on the crockpot and let it sit for six hours and let you know...then I'll try some longer too.

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is 7 oz. of ghee or oil the bare minimum to extract 1.5-2g of bud? and what is the max. amount you could use

7 g., not oz., sorry

Hi treefingers

The reason for 7 grams of ghee/oil is just so you end up with enough mixture to fill 12 capsules.

N.B. If you use hash or kief and oil, you'll have enough mixture to fill each of your 12 caps about 2/3rds of the way up. Or roughly 3/4rs full if you use ground bud and oil.

If you're not making the butter/oil to use in caps you can use more (or even less, but I wouldn't use much less than 7 grams per 1.5 grams of bud).

If I'm just cooking for 'one' I'll simmer 0.3 grams of bud (in an egg cup) with 1/2 a teaspoon of oil (2.5 grams), which, when mixed with a tablespoon of peanut butter, does the job perfectly. Although the taste is a bit 'weedy'. lol

Generally, the cake recipes I tend to use call for about 30 grams of butter per 4 servings (2 tablespoons) which also is fine (again using about a gram and a half of weed).

Hope this helps, what do you have in mind?

P.S. As far as I know (not something I've tried personally) you can just add just enough oil to your ground weed to make a 'paste' and simmer just the same. If anyone has tried this I'd be curious to know how it went.

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I am going to make an oz of low-mids into caps this weekend

I have had success making caps in the past and want to try your method. I used to use a toaster oven set @ 175F and put a candy thermometer in the mix to monitor. I try to keep it around the 175-185 range for about an hour total, stirring it a couple times throughout. I usually do it next to my computer while I play Counter-Strike and mix when I have time.

I'm going to use about 25g of $170/oz buds (I need some to use in the vape while cooking ) to make the caps. I was wondering how much coconut oil to use. Before I've used enough olive to cover the ground bud and make it into a paste (about .48 tablespoons per gram I read somewhere).

What do you guys use to eyeball the amount of oil needed? (probably posted 5 times already but I must of missed it)

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