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Old Feb-26-2008, 17:52
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Those friggen dogs are amazing. I think the numbers for bloodhounds are something like 700 times more nerve endings in the nose than humans, and each nerve ending is 1000 times more sensitive. (Discovery channel) That guy was darn lucky IMO.

Alright, I'll be trying a couple capsules in 3 or 4 hours. They turned out fair for my first time. They only ended up about an average of 80% full, and I got 38 of them from 10.1 grams of destemmed and finely herb ground AK-47. For first-timers: don't push down as hard as it looks like Mr. Hound is pushing on his tamper. It looks like he's putting most of his weight on the thing, and you definitely don't want to do that. I didn't press real hard, and I still got the stuff squishing out the top of the capsules from pressing down too hard. It got all over everything in a thin layer and was about impossible to salvage, so I ended up wasting about 2 capsules-full total. In fact I understand now why the tamper is optional. I may not even use it next time. I spread the stuff with a rubber spatula, then the card. At that point I wish I would have went through each one with a chop stick or something instead of trying to do them all at once with the tamper. What happens if air get trapped in the bottom? It won't happen with dry powder, but with this stuff it seemed to happen a lot.

I was wondering if you do anything about the fact that when you put the small part of the capsule back on, it's empty and therefore wastes room in the capsule. You guys don't fill up that small part too do you? Well I just looked at your photo again, and it looks like yours are about 90-95% full, with some of them looking nearly completely full. How did you do that, unless you filled the little parts as well?

More first-timer advice: When you float your mixture in ice water as Weedhound does, be careful and stir often or constantly. I put mine in the water, then put about 15 empty caps in the machine, and by that time much of the goop had frozen to the bottom of the bowl. I heated it up a little, which ended up being a little too much, so I cooled it again and did the same damn thing, but not as bad. I hope freezing and thawing isn't going to adversely Affect the Effect. We shall see. If so, it will be like a crap shoot; the stuff in some of the pills was never frozen. Also don't worry so much about working fast like I did. I was afraid the stuff was going to solidify before I could get it in the caps, but it basically stays malleable even after cooling some. At least I hope it's supposed to since mine did.

What else, I know there was something. Uhhh, damn head, think. Oh yeah, I was wondering what you do about the oil all over the outside of the capsules, or did that only happen to me since I squished the stuff out, and all over the capsules. I ended up wiping them off individually with a paper towel, but they're still a little greasy. Also, 4 of mine got melted ends, on the bottom as they sat in the machine. After sitting a few hours they got nice and hard again (relatively), but they look like they got elephantiasis or something. Do you think this was because the goop was still too warm, or was it more likely that I had a little moisture in the tray since it didn't happen to the other 34?

As far as I know (except the freezing thing) everything turned out the way it was supposed to. I ended up with a very dark green, almost black paste. Looking real forward to a few hours from now. Have I said this yet?: Thank you.
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Now you've got ME all excited like it was my first time too, lol. Be patient....give it PLENTY of time to really get good....about 2 hours it pretty well set and gets better from there.

The melted bottoms sounds like heat...we made the same mistake the first tiime we made capsules too and ended up melting the capsules all in the machine so we had to toss to the whole thing and buy a new one.

Yes it DOES take a while to cool....in fact too long which is why I started speeding the process up with the ice water.

I know from watching Mr Hound that he doesn't put any in the smaller capsules....just in the one side. He also LOVES his tamper thingie so I'll ask him about it when I can grab him. I don't have the slightest bit of patience in the world to sit there and fill all those little holes up.....I'd go crazy. i'm pretty sure he does wipe the pills off with a paper towel after he pops them out of the machine.

Update us with a "pill report" when you can.

Ps...I don't think freezing would hurt things....they put leaves etc in ice water to make some kinds of hash don't they?
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Freezing won't hurt them a bit. I have 20-some capsules in my freezer right now just waiting until after I get a new job.... then watch out!
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Also I only fill the main capsule and then pop the top on it. If you try to fill both halves they will have too much inside when you compress them together to seal the capsule.
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Double turds!!!

Don't you just hate it when you waste nearly a half oz to experiment with cooking and it's a complete waste? I know I do. I'm sick of it, as it is the story of my life. I wonder how many pounds of good bud I've wasted over the years, trying to get simple recipes to work for me. What the hell is wrong with me? Why will cooking not work for me anymore, while my few tries in college worked wonderfully?

I took 2 of my normal capsules and my one that only got half full, so I suppose that's about like two of Weedhound's. That was more than 2 hours ago and nothing has happened so far. That's pissing me off enough so that I just took 4 more. If that doesn't do at least a little something, I am never again doing anything else with weed except smoking. Or maybe I'll take the remaining 31 all at once and see if that does anything. It's not like I'm cooking with dirt weed here for crying out loud. The AK-47 nuggets were nice and sugar coated, and they are a one hitter for the vast majority.

Lord how I want to take a hit right now, but I'm waiting to make sure I don't confuse the two methods or something. Oh, here's something interesting. I do have a very slight minty weed type taste in my mouth. Maybe its' working now.
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Nope, it's the burps from the 4 I just took.
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Spaulding! You will have nothing and like it! (Ted Knight, Caddyshack. of course.... Turds! Double Turds!! )...

Dude, usually when they don't hit ya, it means that you didn't reach the right temp to cook them at and stuff. You might wanna make that 2-hour run to get an oven thermometer, candy thermometer, and a few other thermometers to get the oil to the right temp! Or send me your address and I'll stop by and do it for you. The offer is open until I get a job that is....

Sounds like you got all the right tools, and need to get the temps right, and maybe even cook it a bit longer? That is my
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Well you're probably right, but I cooked it for about 2 hours at 218, then 3 hours at 222. This is supposed to be within tolerable ranges. It's a pretty good thermometer, but I suppose it could have been mistaken.
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What did you use to measure the temps? I thought I read that you didn't have a thermometer to sick into the oil, or an oven thermometer to leave in the crockpot...
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How many capsules did your ten grams make? Sounds like you did everything right to me. The temp thing makes me paranoid seriously but honestly......Opie it should work.
Are you taking on empty or full stomach?

Well wtf did you do in college that you arent doing now?
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Other than the meat thingee...
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Says here you can use either one.....I wonder if he just needs to wait a touch longer.....
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38 pills from 10 grams....sounds about right or more per pill than mine. 6 pills would kick my ass big time.....
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Wanna bet if he posts more tonight? Hard to say but I hope they put the smack down on him.

Six would have me on the couch spending hours looking for the remote and hollering at my GF to bring me munchies!!!
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lol, I was just wondering about him posting myself. They would certainly do me to in to sleepytown.
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It IS pretty quiet in from his corner.....
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What did you use to measure the temps? I thought I read that you didn't have a thermometer to sick into the oil, or an oven thermometer to leave in the crockpot...
Not exactly, I said I forgot to get a candy thermometer, so I was using a meat thermometer. I believe the metal probe measures temperatures all the way up to the dial, so that's why I propped the part by the dial up off the bowl. The bottom 1/4-3/8 inch was submerged in oil, and that's the only thing the thermometer was touching.

Anyway, after getting 6 in me it worked a little. I got about as stoned as if I took one hit. Let's see 6 divided by 38, that's about 1.6 grams as opposed to smoking .01 gram to do the same thing. I think I'll keep smoking.

I was wondering, this method either works or it doesn't right? I mean it won't partially work. The THC either gets activated or it doesn't, right? Or is this thinking wrong and it is possible to have the THC get activated only somewhat?
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Are you taking on empty or full stomach?

Well wtf did you do in college that you arent doing now?
10.1 grams after destemming, finely grinding, and picking out any detectable chunks of stem. That made 38.

Yes, empty stomach except for 6 cashews.

In college we fried ours in oil on the burner then put the mixture into cookies.
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Says here you can use either one.....I wonder if he just needs to wait a touch longer.....
Longer than 5 hours? That's after it got to 218.
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Part of the deal may be my high tolerance for everything. It's not from stuff in my system, it's been that way from birth. I usually have to take double of anything to get half the normal effect. But if that's true, why did it work for me sometimes?

I'm going to go take 8 right now. I'll let you know.
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Actually I HAVE found it to "partially work" which is why I spent so much time at the stove figuring out my temps. It's definitely by trial and error on my part that I've worked these temps out so carefully. They ARE what makes the difference to me.
It's also why I literally sat with this mixture in a sauce pan for 3 and 1/2 hours one day to make sure the temp stayed correct....temp is ALL. But like the post i put up there the meat thermometer should work for you. The dark green paste part sounds perfect......unless you didn't get it hot enough and that's the only thing i can think of. If you think it will work better.....heat some up to 350 and try that.....maybe people are very individual in what works for them. I ended up trying them all one by one. Some at 350. They were ok.....some at 375....not as strong......tried at 350 and cooked longer.....no improvement and in fact, not quite as strong again. So then try at 300....better results. 300 for longer.....about the same. Than 250F.... over and over and OVER until I got to this recipe.

Each of these occurances lessened the strength of the capsules for me. Temp under 200, temp over 280-ish, too short a cooking time, using different kinds of oil (i was using olive oil for awhile) and a few other things i can't think of right now. None of them VOIDED the recipe.....but they all weakened it......sometimes considerably but quite seriously you should even be able to eat some RAW ganja and feel SOMETHING from it imo.

Opie for god sake.....I'm going to come over there and pop you. Take two grams in a coffee cup, some oil, a thermometer and do some tests. Find out what works the best for you. I tried Flames recipe....it was ok (five to six tabs to get me to where three do now) but it was denitely a trial and error thing. I've cooked at higher temps (375%) lower temps, cooked it for 15 mins, 1/2 hour, and different lengths of time up to my 4 hours and this is the most consistent and powerful capsule recipe I have.

What ARE we going to do with you??
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Dont suppose there is any way to heat those same capsules up hotter......use the same mix....the answer has to be hotter in your case......not lower.......you're at the edge of low already.
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Gotcha, more experimenting. No problem, if I can just find where I put my other grow. Alright I guess it would be worth wasting a few ounces if I can get this figured out. If these 8 continue to not work, I'll see if I can find a candy thermometer somewhere later today. I want this to work damn it. What do you suggest that I keep my next temperature at? I was thinking maybe try it at 280 or 310, somewhere in there.

I too was thinking about reheating the stuff. Don't know how hard it is to peel the capsules off the weed, or maybe I could just cook the whole darn mess. Thoughts?
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My wife kept telling me that crock pots are designed to work with some liquid in them. I tried to find anything that indicated you put water in your slow cooker, but I failed. Same thing with Flameon's thread. Am I an idiot and I should have had water surrounding my cooking bowl. And, would that make a difference anyway if the mixture gets to the right temperature?
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