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    The Definitive Green Dragon (Cannabis Tincture)

    Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.

    This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

    Ingredients:

    1/8oz high quality cannabis
    2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof


    Process Summary:

    1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

    2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 4-5 minutes.

    3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

    4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150°F – 165°F.

    5. Strain the mixture and store.


    Dosage:
    One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).


    Process details—references and rationalizations:

    1. Chop the cannabis—more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

    2. Bake the cannabis.
    In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)

    THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

    Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

    3. Use the highest proof alcohol available. In my area this was Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

    4. Simmer the mixture.
    This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

    The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

    Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” wide x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

    Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 165°F (I maintain it between 150°F and 165°F). You want the alcohol mixture to be just barely moving (not boiling, but showing active convection within the mixture). If the mixture starts to bubble too much, just turn down the water bath.

    You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

    5. Strain, titrate, and store.
    When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture. Note that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated.

    Now you should test your eyedropper. In my test 34 full droppers equaled one ounce of liquid (this is a little less than one gram of liquid per dropperful as 29g equals 1ounce).

    The liquid should be dark green and smell like cannabis.

    6. Dosage.
    Everybody is probably different. It takes me 1.5 hours to feel the effects of eating cannabis. Similarly this tincture also takes 1.5 hours to take effect.

    I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 droppers did pretty much nothing.

    Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 1.5 hours and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

    Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

    This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). And is much more pleasant than smoking (which really is bad for you and your lungs and the reason I've stopped smoking entirely).


    This link might be helpful.
    Metric Conversion: http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm


    Enjoy and let me know of your success and/or questions.

    Master Wu
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    I will definitely try that ...

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    i prefer the easy way...1/8 per 100ml of 40%+ vol. chop add alcohol and weed.......seal in a jar..store in a warm dark place...fro 10-20 days...shake every day...
    but dropper in the eye?? you say that smoking is bad yes...but so is dropping alcohol and plant chemicals/resins into your eye.....i jus take a shot of it....so much better if you smoke a joint an hour in...fucked me for about 10 hrs.....all the way through a gig and into the next morining....
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    i hope that he doesnt mean dropping it in your eye. that would make you go blind. bad call
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    oh yeh didnt think otherwise...well master wu du yu drop that shit in ur eye......? something about the mention of eyedroppers makes me think of eyes....
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    Drop in eye??? That would be stupid.

    Use eyedropper to measure amount to put into mouth (thought that was obvious). Had I intended you to place alcohol in your eye I would have included another step...

    6. Place in eye. Scream madly while running around in circles. Cry like baby for 1 hour. Go to doctor.

    But this step is missing because you put the liquid in your mouth
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    ... he said use an eyedropper. He never said to put it in your eyes. Hahahahah

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    is it only me who thinks of eyes when eyedroppers are mentioned then?? i did find it weird that you said that it takes an hour and a half to take effect....
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    In my body it takes 1.5 hours. In yours it might be shorter or longer, but it would be similar to eating a brownie (brownies take me 1.5 hours as does tincture). The rate of effect with ingestion is really determined by the speed and efficiency of your own metabolism.

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    thats some great reads right there... thanks. I've been considering an idea for a while. I'm gonna cook up some greed dragon, get some empty pills for like those herbal supplements, and i'll put the green dragon in there. thus making... weed pills... do u think it'll work??
    doctor says i need a backiatimy

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    It should, reef. Make a couple (I'd imagine two would fit the same amount as a dropper) and let us know!!!

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    cool, my friends actually gonna be cookin them up, but i wanna try it with a small amount of weed first. just so i dont waste a lot.
    doctor says i need a backiatimy

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    Don't go too small or you won't feel it.

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    just made 2 oz of green dragon tincture with 7gms of really potent skunk following this recipe.(execept I put twice as much weed and 50% more everclear.)Used 3 oz everclear and ended up with about 2oz.This stuff is vile yet tasty in the same breath.I'll know if I did it right in about an hour I geuss.I ingested .8ml from a graduated dropper sublingually.If I get 30 strong doses from that 1/4 of hydro I will be thrilled.

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    So.. thebeancounter, did it work? I want to try this but I can't afford to waste weed.

    And I have built up such a high tolerance that I can't hardly get stoned anymore. Do you think this would do the trick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
    So.. thebeancounter, did it work? I want to try this but I can't afford to waste weed.

    And I have built up such a high tolerance that I can't hardly get stoned anymore. Do you think this would do the trick?
    Me too. Join the club. Someone added tobacco to a joint because they said it wouldn't burn without it and WOW. New buzz. Weed without NICOTINE is boring. I need both. TOOO much nicotine and I puke. Good speed limit. Smoke yourself to sleep and see what iz left when you wake up in the ?morning?. I need to expand the helpfulness of this Legal Tender of the past. If Tincture iz the answer, I LOVE WU. WU, I love you. I love my tolerance for getting HIGH too. I'd hate to lose that. Vodka has other value's, huh ??? 190 proof grain alcohol iz our friend in weed world. My family grows better medicine than your family.

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    I want tincture. GET IN MY BELLY!

    I read up on this somewhat extensively a few years back, but forgot a lot of it. If my understanding of good tincture is correct, it would be very desireable to me. I mean think of the stealth, and other benifits. I'm out in public, say at the amusement park, and I want to get stoned, but there's people and possibley cops everywhere. From my pocket, I pull out a small bottle with an eye dropper, put 3 or 4 drops in my beverage and that of my friends, and in 45 minutes we're all feeling pretty good. Or slightly less stealthy but still good, we put a couple drops under our tounges, and we're feeling high in ten minutes. The two different ways also produce slightly different kinds of stones. Cool. I remember (it's been a few years) one of the best stones ever is from injestion through the stomache. And no harm to the lungs.

    I need to make some of this stuff and do it right for once. I tried 3 times before with dismall but partial effectiveness, but I didn't use totally buds. In fact I used mostly trim. Hmmm, it is a vacation week for me. Maybe I'll try this week with some good bud for once, and report back if anyone is intersted.

    And administering drugs through the eyes is actually very effective and quite common. I do it every day (prescription), and Jimmy Hendrix did it just before going on stage. I have a feeling tincture would sting quite a bit, but it used to be, and I don't know, perhaps still is put in the eyes to help glaucoma.

    You guys come over Thursday and will whip up some the quick way. Then we'll sit out back, and watch the sunset and the deer. And bring your good-looking bikini girl friends. Sounds nice. I just need to get my hot tub and deck back there.
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    I might be interested in the different buzz by adding nicotine, but I don't want to get addicted to yet another drug. Whata ya think?
    PLEASE STOP BY MY FOGGING THREAD
    Everything I say in this forum is completely true, and should be construed as fact. I do smoke weed, and sometimes I eat it. Not only that I sell it, along with every other drug known to man and a few that aren't. Everything I do is 100% illegal, and I condone others breaking the law. All pictures that I post are not taken from the internet, but are of my own illegal operation. Also, I speed and don't come to complete stops at stop signs.

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    fuck a bunch of nicotine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
    I might be interested in the different buzz by adding nicotine, but I don't want to get addicted to yet another drug. Whata ya think?
    I like what I like. I used to spin on my knee on the floor to get dizzy as a kid. I used to HATE ButtHead AshHoles, but ...... I remember liking it as a tiny kid in car with GranParents - till I felt sick to stomach. Oh well. I can get hung-over quicker than you, if I drink TOOO much AGAIN. I agree with "FUCK the TOBACCO", but not the NICOTINE. I'm addicted now. BOO HOO. I bought 2 bags for $5.28 each. $11 so far so it is $25 of tobacco a year versus that only being 2 bottles of Vodka a DAY?, WEEK or MONTH ??? If I live on $4 a gallon Milwaukee's Best Light Keg BEER, I don't spend as much on VODKA. Quantity Discount WINz. 15 gallons of BEER lasts either a year or 6 monthes, my choice. First a year and now only 6 monthes. 30 gallons of BEER a year needs a THC tincture diet for my BEER GUT. Poppy tincture ??? Time will tell. Cocaine seeds ??? WOW. I never wanted, but ............... lick my crack

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    Yes, do not get addicted to alcohol. That stuff is the scourge of the earth and will fuck you up good, as well as the ones around you. I've seen it many times.

    Sorry about that nicotine addiction bro. Ozzy Osborne said that he has been addicted to every drug, and by far the hardest to quit was nicotine, not that you necessarily need to quit.
    PLEASE STOP BY MY FOGGING THREAD
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRiMe4u
    I like what I like. I used to spin on my knee on the floor to get dizzy as a kid. I used to HATE ButtHead AshHoles, but ...... I remember liking it as a tiny kid in car with GranParents - till I felt sick to stomach. Oh well. I can get hung-over quicker than you, if I drink TOOO much AGAIN. I agree with "FUCK the TOBACCO", but not the NICOTINE. I'm addicted now. BOO HOO. I bought 2 bags for $5.28 each. $11 so far so it is $25 of tobacco a year versus that only being 2 bottles of Vodka a DAY?, WEEK or MONTH ??? If I live on $4 a gallon Milwaukee's Best Light Keg BEER, I don't spend as much on VODKA. Quantity Discount WINz. 15 gallons of BEER lasts either a year or 6 monthes, my choice. First a year and now only 6 monthes. 30 gallons of BEER a year needs a THC tincture diet for my BEER GUT. Poppy tincture ??? Time will tell. Cocaine seeds ??? WOW. I never wanted, but ............... lick my crack

    i cant follow a damn sentace this guys says..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hahaitsdoogle
    i cant follow a damn sentace this guys says..
    I know it's hard, but you gotta think outside the pipe, then you'll understand maybe half.
    PLEASE STOP BY MY FOGGING THREAD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
    Yes, do not get addicted to alcohol. That stuff is the scourge of the earth and will fuck you up good, as well as the ones around you. I've seen it many times.

    Sorry about that nicotine addiction bro. Ozzy Osborne said that he has been addicted to every drug, and by far the hardest to quit was nicotine, not that you necessarily need to quit.
    Ozzy quit ??? Why did he start ??? I did because my brain likez it and without it pot iz boring and has almost NO buzz. Sounds strange, but ...... the truth hurtz. I wanna know if a nicotine tincture type thing will ever happen for me and my mind ??? Do you think Master Wu heat treats his smoking mix ??? Oh yeah, he quit. Tincture only. If converting THCA into THC works for tincture, does it work with fire evaporation, too ??? Master WU, I heard you when you said you would appreciate ANY comments or questions. Is the pot any better for using in my water-filtered jam jar ??? I mentally tricked myself into thinking so, but ......... Why does GreenDragonSoda guy say 325 degrees for 20 minutes and you say 150 for 5 minutes ??? Which iz best ??? I will try it all, but ....... HELP
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    Lotta confusion about this stuff in general.

    Don't go above 350 degrees, because I think THC is destroyed at 380 or something like that. I just remember everything I read said 350 is the cut-off point for cooking and tinctures.
    PLEASE STOP BY MY FOGGING THREAD
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