You know, I can't find where I found it, but I distinctly remember that when people were making their own absinthe they were adding too much wormwood and thujone, and overdosing on the stuff, which is why it got banned.

Kind of like how every time I mention everclear to my parents they picture moonshine and warn me that it can contain lead because of people using lead solder for pipes in home distilleries. It was a similar public consensus back in the early 1900's about Absinthe.

Looks like some of the stuff just got made legal in the US. Woot. I really want to try some La Fee.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/ar...in&oref=slogin

Green Dragon stays good for a while, as long as it's in an airtight container out of light.


I just made a 6 gram batch, using the same amount of alchohol.


Drank it all in a day along with a bottle of hpnotiq, half a bottle of 151, half my bottle of home made absynth. And my bottle of lambic.


Gah, my tollerance is too high

alright, so far I'm 0-2 with the GD. I am wondering if anyone could shed some insight on what I may be doing wrong, if anything at all...

I'm using decent bud (50 an 8th), grind it down, put on tin foil.

i'm using everclear, and i have the right thermometers.

The first try i cooked at 200 for 20 minutes. I don't think that pre-bake did it. The weed was still green and i saw no vapors leave when i opened the oven. so i figured that was why my 5 ml dose was doing nothing to me.

Second try i cooked at 325 for 5 minutes, I have an oven thermometer and my oven is around 335 - 340 when its set at 325 so i lowered it a bit and thru the 5 minutes temp varied from 335-315 but mostly stayed under 325, so i dont think that was the issue. The weed was brownish green and a wisp of vapor came up as i pulled the tin foil out of the oven.
This second try felt right with the pre-bake and all but once again a failed batch that just made me slightly tired.

*** Possible things gone wrong
1. We were blazing a lot up until about an hour after taking the drinks. So is it possible that the smoke high just overlapped the gd high and i didn't notice it. i'm hoping that isn't the case because i had it stuck in my head that this gd shit would be stronger and longer.

2. maybe i'm not taking enough. this doesn't seem possible tho... my doses went like this. 2 ml -> nothing 5 hrs later 5 ml -> nothing next day finish whats left... roughly 20 ml -> slightly high for ~ 4 hrs ( if one dose of GD gets u high 20 ml of the shit i made gets u low )

3. coffee filter. I'm hoping this is where i'm going wrong. both times i extracted, i used a coffee filter. it was kinda messy and seemed to be wasteful. is it possible that it filtered out the good stuff??? the filters would always be left with a large green stain on em. maybe i should try with a nylon or regular kitchen strainer... has anyone had success with a coffee filter???

4. didn't let the drink mature. i don't know if this is even necessary, but both times i made my gd out of an 8th, i've finished the product in a day or two. does it get more potent as it sits. this one seems really far fetched tho.

I just want to make a batch that works and know for sure that this isn't bull. Also, for the second batch i made, i ended up evapprating all the liquor in an attempt to save the gd like master wu does... i was really nervous about re-baking tho ( not 100% positive if all the everclear vaped dont want to go BOOM) so i just put the hash oil or w/e was left over onto a few joints and smoked it. That got me higher than usual but certainly not what I've been expecting from a few of these dragon tales i've been hearing.

So please help a fellow stoner and let me know where u think i may have gone wrong or if u need other info to determine where i went wrong.

oh yea... i used 1.5 ml everclear the first time, was left with .5 oz "GD"
i used 3 oz everclear the second time and had ~ 1.8 oz "GD"

the first trial i actually only used like 1.5 grams bud, so i used enough alcohol to burn off an oz and be left with roughly half of the original recipe but i am pretty sure the pre-bake in the first trial wasn't sufficient. anyways, any help from anyone would be appreciated, especially dragonrider or fred as u two seem to have had consistent success with the recipe, or master wu himself if u still check out the thread

Really good guide, Written In a Simple Format

I will definatly try this out one day, When my Parents go on Holiday Hopefully.

Peace

I wrap mine *really* well in tin foil, and it hardly smells at all. You can only smell it cooking if you're standing in the kitchen, near the toaster oven. Even then, the first time I cooked it, my better half walked through the kitchen 2 minutes later (after I had asked her to "keep a nose out" for odd smells) and she couldn't smell a trace of it.



I don't know if this information will be of use to anyone, but I have a small IR/laser thermometer. It's used mainly for checking the temperature of hot metal car parts and such. I used it to check the temperature of the tin foil at the end of the 325 for 5 minute spell in the toaster oven, (properly preheated, properly timed on the microwave timer for 5 min.) and the tin foil was showing as 296.

Is it possible that 325 for 5 minutes isn't actually heating the contents to 325? At any rate, I'm certainly not complaining about the results. I haven't cooked with it yet, aside from a couple poorly-done firecrackers, but I've noticed a difference just smoking it. I have some 151 here and I'm trying to talk myself into doing something with my last decent bud and that.. (although once I'm out, I may be out for a week or two.. so tough call) but I don't have a cooking thermometer, and that laser thermometer doesn't work with liquid as far as I can tell.

I tried this tonight with 6 oz of Everclear and 10 grams of clippings + 2 grams of bud. The only thing I could think to add to this guide would be time frames for things, ie. approximately how long does it take to get to 170, how long do you simmer it in the bath, etc.

I used a meat thermometer and I couldn't really get a good reading from it. The water was definitely boiling and there were small bubbles coming out of the alcohol/weed mix, but I couldn't get an accurate temperature reading on the thermometer so I really don't know how hot it was. It would go up to 150 and then drop suddenly even though the heat stayed the same and I didn't move the thermometer. However, when I stuck the thermometer in the boiling water it shot up to where it should for boiling water.

Anyways, I ended up with about 2-2.5 oz of a thick black/green liquid. I am going to try it out in a couple days so I will be sure to post results.

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The above post is fictional and should in no way be taken as truth.

If I were to grow cannabis, I would only do so to supply myself and my close friends. Doing this would take myself and my friends out of harms way by knowing the source of our cannabis, as well as take hundreds of thousands of dollars off the black market annually. It would also lower the demand of black market cannabis, and would ultimately help keep cannabis out of the hands of minors.

Well, I put 2.5 ml in a beer and drank it, and I fell asleep about 2 hours later. I was tired from going to bed late and waking up early. I slept about 4 hours and when I woke up I didn't feel stoned so I think its bunk. I am going to try 5 mL tonight and see if there is any effect.

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The above post is fictional and should in no way be taken as truth.

If I were to grow cannabis, I would only do so to supply myself and my close friends. Doing this would take myself and my friends out of harms way by knowing the source of our cannabis, as well as take hundreds of thousands of dollars off the black market annually. It would also lower the demand of black market cannabis, and would ultimately help keep cannabis out of the hands of minors.

I've never actually baked the plant material before hand- always used the freezer method - and it seems to get me good. I do boil it down for 1-2 hours though so I wonder if that is sufficient...

My bro and i got some shake from some okay dro and made a batch just about 10 min ago and took 1mL just to try it out to see if itll work. Everything went perfectly except we had to simmer the ground dro for a little longer due to dropping temps.

Let you all kno how im feeling in about an hour

So how did it go?

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Oh no not another one lost in space! At least he's got a familly member with him.

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Towelie: I learned that I shouldn't get high to come up with ideas. I should come up with ideas and then get high to reward myself.

I too tried to use a meat therm... no way!

Go to walmart or what not and spend the 3-4$ on a candy therm.

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The Pope says: after class you should follow her around mumbling like a crazy person and trying to touch her hair

Marijuana is a bad bad thing

I miss the days when every month or so we'd have somone say, "I made a gallon of Green Dragon and I'm, drinking the whole thing right now! Woo-hoo!"

And then you'd never here from them again!

Ha ha! I'm sure that's not what happened this time, but it brought a little nostalgic tear to my eye...

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hey, i live in amsterdam (it's fucking sweet), and i was wondering if anyone knew whether it was better to store the weed as chunks or to grind it and store it that way. does it even make a difference?

best way to keep your buds is away from contact in a dark cool dry place. but who wants their pretties outta the sunshine? green dragon sounds like it has questionable results but only one way to find out...

ok thnx for the advise.

Ok, I just finished boiling down my GD. Started with 11-12 grams of plant material, I boiled it down to about 2.5 ounces of ethanol and I added another 1.5 oz of ethanol so I could average about 2.5-3.0 g/oz.

It's sitting in the freezer - just waiting for shortie to get off work and hopefully bring some friends over so we can see if this time is as good as last time. I've always had good results thus far, so cheers!

p.s. I found the coolest bottles @ World Market that are great for the process I use. They have metal bands which hold plastic/rubber stoppers in place, one of them holds about 24 ounces - which I use to soak the plants in ethanol in the freezer for 2-3 weeks and the other is the same type of bottle but holds 5 ounces which is great for after boiling it down. They look cool as hell too

All hail Master Wu! Here's to your health, three times three. And huge thanks to everyone else who posted their experiences & knowledge.

I've made 4 batches so far; 3 turned out stunningly well, the 4th only very good (& I know what bonehead mistake I made that time & am very unlikely to ever make it again).

Each time I have used an 8th of good bud, ground in a coffee grinder & toasted on heavy foil on the upper-middle rack in my oven, 5 minutes @ 325f.

First wash in 3 oz 151 everclear, 20 minutes @ ~170f; strain, press.

Second wash in a fresh oz of alc, 10 minutes @ ~170f. The extractions are done in a 2 cup pyrex measuring cup placed in a water bath. For the straining I use a 3.5" fine metal strainer with a 2" disk of nylon hose placed in it. You can pick up all the plant material in the piece of stocking, put that in the garlic press & get medieval on it.

I wind up with ~2 oz of the Drache. Empty-stomach results, with the doses taken in an oz or two of wine (usually), are: 0.5 ml = a nice little glaze on things for a couple of hours; 1 ml = a solid medium-strength effect, 4-5 hours; 2 ml = a pretty strong dose, 6-8 hours; 3 ml & up = careful now.

I've tested the stuff on a fair number of lucky bastards & their results are pretty consistent with mine.

I have no chemistry background but I am a very experienced (home) cook.

Some notes & thoughts on the process:

* The first thing I do is measure out the 3 oz of alc. I use it to wash out the coffee grinder, the foil after the herb's decarbed, & any other utensils that might have something interesting on them.

* I grind the bud to the consistency of coarse sand - not powdered. I put it on the foil in a layer about 3-4 mm thick - not spread out in a very thin layer.

This may be the culprit in some folks' vaping out their bud - ground too fine/spread too thin. Anyone have any thoughts about that?

* Temperature control seems to be another issue - ovens spiking. I always leave my pizza stone on the floor of my (gas) oven even when I'm not cooking directly on it. It takes longer to heat up the oven with the stone in it (duh), but it stabilizes the heat quite a bit. A very cheap way to get this effect is to line the floor (or lowest rack) of your oven with unglazed quarry tiles. And you can cook killer pizza on them. And you're gonna want some pizza...

* Surface area: This has been touched on, but not very specifically: the diameter of the glass vessel you do the extraction in has a huge effect on the rate of evaporation, &, apparently, the temperature the alc reaches in the water bath.

When I do it in the 2 cup pyrex measuring cup (~2.5" diameter @ the bottom), the mixture is visibly convecting, the surface looks like the surface of soda pop - little tiny bubbles sort of effervescing, & the temp cruises right about 165-170f.

I did it once in a half-pint mason jar (~2" diameter), & it boiled very rapidly, rolling very fast, & the temperature kept climbing up towards 175f, which puzzled the hell out of me until I remembered that my 151 was 24.5% water. It also didn't reduce as much. The wider vessel gives me the 50% reduction I'm looking for.

NB: I'm sorry if some of this stuff seems obvious - it is to me - but I"m trying to stick to issues that I haven't seen addressed previously which might be problem points.

* Couple of kitchen thangs: proper mason jars (Bell, Kern), are made for repeated pressure-canning (~250f) & are perfectly safe for this process. The guy whose jar broke - had a cracked jar. Recycled pickle jars & whatever are another matter - probably ok but much more likely to break.

Also, a tablespoon or two of white vinegar in the boiling water will help cut down on mineral deposits from the evaporating water (on the outside of the glass & the inside of the pan/pot holding the water).

* I watch it pretty closely & stir & wash the inside of the glass right above the level of the liquid frequently. The stuff we're after is just sticky as hell - try to keep it in the alc. I wonder if that little bit of oily film you'll see on the surface really is pure cannabinols... (pure-ish at least). Anyroad, try to keep the good stuff in the solution.

* The same goes for the finished GD in the dropper bottle - like so many other medicines, shake well before using.

* The nylon strainer seems to work a treat, as does the garlic press trick. If you're doing a large batch, look into a potato ricer. It's a garlic press on steroids.

Oh that's enough for now. I adore this stuff. I want to make a commercial for it.

Seriously.

I'm trying to convince my roommates that we should try this because I'm unable to smoke marijuana, but they're concerned about stinking up the apartment. Basically what I'm wondering is:

a) Can I bake the marijuana enclosed in tin/aluminum foil? Will this prevent our apartment wreaking of pot?
b) When simmering the mason jar in water, will the fumes produced smell like marijuana or simply alcohol?
c) Do you have any other advice for us to keep our little operation on the down-lo?

My 2 cents: If you're doing this with an 8th & using the 325f/5 minutes method, you will get a pretty good whiff of the weed, but it's not going to "stink up the whole house" like somebody said, and it doesn't last long at all. It's not smoke, it's vapor (hopefully not thc vapor), & it dissipates very quickly. I'd very surprised if the strongish weed smell window is more than 5 minutes. Tell your roommates to quit being such old ladies. Even if they are old ladies. Especially if they're old ladies.

(& nothing against old ladies. Some of my favorite people. Just a little too risk-averse sometimes).

Now, if you h