Thread: The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised, Updated, Combined)

Originally Posted by grumio

I wonder if that little bit of oily film you'll see on the surface really is pure cannabinols... (pure-ish at least).

YES, it is!
Its pure hash oil... its the thing with the highest concentration of cannabinoids you could ever get from your weed! So whenever it appears, it must be re-dissolved, to ensure that all the cannabinoids remain in the solution, instead stickied uselessly in the jars walls.

Hello everybody, im new in this forum.

Is it possible to make GD with Propylene Glycol???

thanks!!

Originally Posted by 1Shina1

Hello everybody, im new in this forum.

Is it possible to make GD with Propylene Glycol???

thanks!!

Hell no! That is poison and will kill you. Seriously, no joking. Do not ever ingest Propylene Glycol!

Hi Dragonrider thanks for your reply!!
(Sorry about my english)
Now i´m confused!
Aren´t propylene glycol used in food flavors??
Check this link!
Bickford Flavors

thanks!

Actually, propylene glycol is a food additive, commonly foun in many flavor extracts.

dragonrider, what you are thinking of is ethylene glycol, which is highly toxic.

To answer OP's question, I don't know if it would work at all. I think it would work at least a little bit, but I don't know how effective it would be.

Originally Posted by nicktheawesome

Actually, propylene glycol is a food additive, commonly foun in many flavor extracts.

dragonrider, what you are thinking of is ethylene glycol, which is highly toxic.

To answer OP's question, I don't know if it would work at all. I think it would work at least a little bit, but I don't know how effective it would be.

Nick, I looked it up, and you are right. I was thinking of ethylene glycol, which is toxic. Propylene glycol is safe in most concentrations.

1Shina1, sorry about the strong reaction and the bad information --- I really thought you were going to try something dangerous.

Don´t be sorry.

Thaks for the informations

But we dont know if the THC is soluble in propylene glycol... and im pretty sure this information isnt very easy to get, as propylene glycol isnt a very usual solvent.

Anyway, youre welcome to try. If you suceed, tell us!

For sure!!!

Ae Coelho Brasil Domina!!!!!!

Paz!!!

Originally Posted by 1Shina1

For sure!!!

Ae Coelho Brasil Domina!!!!!!

Paz!!!

Com certeza! Voce e daqui tambem?

Well folks I made my first batch of GD last night and just administered for the first time.

The color of my finished extract is much more brown than green. I used Devils Springs 160 proof Vodka (Clear) and 5 grams of cannabis. There is a slight green color but def. not emerald green. Has anyone else run into this coloring and had a successful batch?

I guess I will find out in about an hour!

I do not think I was as successful as I could have been.
It seems most of the alcohol is gone in my green dragon,
(it did taste like other tinctures I have had in the past, with a slight alcohol
taste however it did not burn like it should have).
I did feel some effect from a 3ml dose however it was
equivalent to a smoked bowl.
Did I evaporate to much alcohol? I was very careful not to bring the temp over 170 F.

Well... usually green dragon is indeed browner than greener... and its very dark too... so it isnt the problem.
What is the total amount of green dragon you got and what is the amount you did drink?

I ended up with 35ml.
I took 3ml

I attempted a larger dose today to see if I could get a better effect.
9ml on an empty stomach.
I am a large guy 6'2" 200lbs + with a high tolerance.
I seemed only to get partial relief of my symptoms, about the same as a single
bowl of decent bud. edibles seem much much more effective.
I will attempt another batch when adequate supplies materialize

Originally Posted by epilepticme

I ended up with 35ml.
I took 3ml

Originally Posted by epilepticme

I attempted a larger dose today to see if I could get a better effect.
9ml on an empty stomach.

Well... as you used 5g of weed in 35ml of green dragon, then 3ml has about 0.5g of weed, and 9ml has about 1.5g of weed.

How much weed do you usually smoke?

14 grams per week give or take. Whats that 2 grams per day or so.
So I have about 24 ml left of GD. Maybe a 12 ml dose on an empty stomach?

Originally Posted by epilepticme

14 grams per week give or take. Whats that 2 grams per day or so.
So I have about 24 ml left of GD. Maybe a 12 ml dose on an empty stomach?

Man... 2g/day is a lot... your tolerance must be pretty high indeed... when i make green dragon, i usually put 1.5-2x the amount i would smoke, as the green dragon effects lasts far longer (and thus need more weed).
Drink it on an empty stomach... If you prefer get less high than more high, then drink only 12ml.
If you prefer get more high than less high, i would suggest you to drink some 18ml... it should be enough.
(And if you want a real "trip", drink all the 24ml... and feel the bite of the Green Dragon... just be warned that it may be intense, and last for 8+ hours... )

LOL, I drank the rest of that GD last night. Had to laugh when I saw your post this morning
Coelho. It indeed had a bit of a bite. I took the dog out for a walk after I drank and did not come home for 3 hours. It was a nice mellow feel. Time SHIFTING!
I really need to take a break I think. Sadly when I go without I can not stomach my other medications I do not think I can go a day with out my other meds without some serious consequences. I need my weed.

How good was the weed? 5 g good bud into 35 ml should be wicked strong.

Picked up a 1.75 liter bottle of 190 Everclear in North Carolina. I'll be interested to see if it makes noticeably better tincture than the 151.

Hey Coelho - have you tried infusing your alcohol with spices/herbs before making tincture with it? It does wonders for the taste (it's still an alcohol tincture, of course).

I wonder if infusing the alc affects the extraction of thc (saturation).

I wish I actually had some real understanding of organic chemistry.

Originally Posted by grumio

Hey Coelho - have you tried infusing your alcohol with spices/herbs before making tincture with it? It does wonders for the taste (it's still an alcohol tincture, of course).

I wonder if infusing the alc affects the extraction of thc (saturation).

I never did it... but it seems a good idea indeed. Maybe some peppermint leaves... or something like this...
And i dont think it would hinder the extraction... unless the herbs you infused had some substance much alike the cannabinoids, what i think its not much usual... there is also the possibility that of some substance in the herbs could react with the THC, but i think its even less probable...
Anyway, doing two extractions, the first one with alcohol+herbs, then strain the weed and then a second extraction with pure alcohol can help to maximize the THC extraction.

Last time I did it I soaked 2 tablespoons of dried peppermint & 1teaspoon of freshly ground cardamom seeds in 6 oz of alcohol for 2 hours (room temperature), & then proceeded with the usual tincture process.

You can pick out all 3 ingredients, but the cardamom is dominant.

I think the some of the aromatic compounds in all 3 are related (phenols & terpenoids, I think). I have no idea if their presence affects either the thc or its extraction.

Potency of my last batch was slightly lower, but well within the normal variance I've noticed (each batch is slightly different).

Something is going on between the herbs, because as soon as you add the cannabis to the infused alc, the color changes - it turns a rather brilliant green, different from either regular green dragon or the p'mint/c'mom infused alc. The final product is the usual brown-green.

I gave it a shot tonight. I used 4 grams in 3oz of 190 proof everclear for 30 minutes (It took that long to evaporate 2oz.). I took 1ml in a beer after not eating for 6 hours. The results were muddied a little bit by the effect of the beer because I'm a lightweight. Anyway, the result was acceptable. The fact that I can get that buzz 29 more times off of 4 grams of weed is awesome. I won't make gel caps, vape or smoke ever again.

The high was such that I could still function pretty normally and be around people without feeling too weird. Tomorrow me and a couple of friends are taking 2ml each so we'll see how it goes. I'm tempted to try three....ah well, baby steps.

My one BIG observation is that the boiling point seems to be about 170F because it didn't matter how much flame I used the temp would never go higher than that and after establishing a boil, I reduced the flame to almost nothing and it stayed at 170F. However, with increased flame the rate of boiling changed dramatically, but the temp didn't change. So, I decided that a lot of flame was better in order to evaporate the alcohol faster. With a low flame it would have taken an hour to get down to 1oz.

I'm happy with the results, but not shocked by 1ml. 2ml might be a different story.

Let is know the results

I am plan another batch this weekend.

Originally Posted by mobyone

My one BIG observation is that the boiling point seems to be about 170F because it didn't matter how much flame I used the temp would never go higher than that and after establishing a boil

I just googled it and sure enough, the boiling point of ethanol is 172.94F.

Now the question is....does the rate of boiling matter other than affecting how fast the alcohol evaporates...hmmmmmmmmm