Hi Friends,

In my continued search to help you be happy and improve the sublime Green Dragon, I'm pleased to disclose this good news.

Green Dragon put in a single beer speeds up GD onset at the same time dramatically decreasing the need for having an empty stomach. It may even remove the necessity for an empty stomach entirely, but I have yet to confirm this.

If I place a dropperful of GD in a beer (Dragon Brew), I am able to experience effects within 15 to 20 min. I can also eat a meal with a glass of Dragon Brew with no apparent delay of onset. I've even been able to eat high fat food, cheese for instance, and have a glass of Dragon Brew within 45 minutes after eating, again with no significant delay of onset.

Note. I don't use any more GD than usual, so dilution does not seem to be any issue.

Here is what I think is happening. I noticed that even with a full stomach or with food, I am still able to perceive the effects of even a single beer. This means that the alcohol in the beer is able to go through my system quicker than food still being digested. Since THC and cannaboids are alcohol soluble (more than they are fat soluble), then the increased alcohol of a beer must be keeping them in solution and moving them on through.

Enjoy,
Master Wu

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What is "GD", and how do you make it?

do more than read the title of the thread and youll probably know this thread itself is probably the best resource for it online or maybe anywhere

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Oops, i didn't realize there was a first page. sorry . I thought this 2nd page was the first, so i was confused about what it was.

I was just wondering what the approximate % rate for failure would be for someone who tried Master Wu's recipe for the first time?

Also, how precise is one required to be in the finer aspects of the recipe?

Master Wu, your post about taking GD with a beer is confusing.

To start with the GD is made with 151 proof alcohol, so whether you dilute this tincture with beer or water shouldn't make any difference as it is already being 'carried' by a strong alcoholic medium. I don't see how taking GD with a beer could significantly alter the absorption rate.

Not doubting your findings, just a little unclear on the logic.

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Good question Knotter,

Here is my logic re: GD with beer or wine (both work equally well). BTW--I have equally good success with just 1/2 a beer.

You are correct that we use a concentrated alcohol (151 proof rum) to extract. You could probably do the extraction with a more dilute alcohol, but you would need a much greater volume and probably more time. Think about the probability of an ethanol molecule interacting with a cannaboid. The higher the alcohol concentration the more ethanol/cannaboid interactions occur per a given amount of time. The more interactions the quicker and more efficient the extraction. This is why we use a very concentrated alcohol.

Now when we actually ingest the GD we are using only a very small amount of a very concentrated solution--typically less than 1 ml. By comparison, a 12oz glass of beer (or 5oz wine or 1.5oz hard alcohol) contains 22ml of alcohol compared to the 1ml of GD.

So here is what I think is happening. There is not enough ethanol in the 1ml of GD to efficiently (and quickly!) carry the dissolved cannaboids through your system if there is anything, like food, in the way. Using a greater volume of solute (ethanol) helps keep the cannaboids in solution and mobilized. This is very similar to chromatography, if you remember your high school chemistry.

I initially came to this conclusion when I observed that, if I drank a beer after peaking (sometimes hours later), I would experience a second, smaller GD peak. This made me think that the alcohol in the beer was mobilizing any cannaboids that got stuck.

At any rate, I almost always put the GD in at least half a glass of beer or wine now. The onset is much more controlled and consistent. I also am able to use less GD to achieve the same result! Presumably this is because there is less loss.

Hope this helps...cheers,
Master Wu

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I have attempted to make a batch od GD going along with your recipe twice now. The first time, I did not get a good batch at all, having to consume prettywell the entire thing to have any type of an effect.

The 2nd time, I had a better extraction, a darker looking dragon, and it took about 5ml of the 2nd batch to bring forth a result.

I am wondering how to maximize the extraction of the THC from the alcohol. For the measurements, should it be exactly 2oz (measured)? or just 2 shot glasses full?

I have had great success with smaller batches, I just have yet to get the large to work well for me. Any tips would be a great help.

One more thing... as far as the temperature of the mixture during the water bath... should the temperature be maintainted as closely to 170 as possible? or is a little hotter to ensure that the solution doesnt stop boiling ok?

Ok here is what he is saying you do.

Step #1

Take 1/8th ounce cannabis. Grind it up in a blender or coffe grinder into a fine powder.

Step #2

Take a pan and line it with aluminum foil.

Step #3

Pre-heat oven to 325 degrees (f)

Step #4

Cook it in the oven for (5) minutes. Depending on your oven time may vary slightly.

Step #5

Take cannabis out of oven and let it cool.

Step #6

Take 2 ounces of 151 proof or higher alcoholic beverage (151 bacardi for example) and put it in a small mason canning jar along with the ground up cannabis. 1 pint jar works well.

Step #7
Take a small cooking pot and fill halfway with water and bring to a boil on the stove.

Step #8 Place canning jar in water with a thermometer in the can and boil for about 20 minutes until the alcohol and ground cannabis reaches 170 degrees (f)

Step #9 take canning jar out of water and let cool.

Step #10 extract green cannabis liquid and press ground cannabis to get all liquid out, store in a small 2 oz dropper bottle.

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Nice summary Toker4lifevt.

Only two edits.

#5 No need to let the cannabis cool.

#8 Boil the alcohol at 170 degrees (f) FOR 20 minutes. (the summary says until it reaches 170 but that isn't correct)

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Ok here is what he is saying you do.

Step #1

Take 1/8th ounce cannabis. Grind it up in a blender or coffe grinder into a fine powder.

Step #2

Take a pan and line it with aluminum foil.

Step #3

Pre-heat oven to 325 degrees (f)

Step #4

Cook it in the oven for (5) minutes. Depending on your oven time may vary slightly.

Step #5

Take cooked,g round up cannabis out of the oven. DONT BURN YOURSELF!

Step #6

Take 2 ounces of 151 proof or higher alcoholic beverage (151 bacardi for example) and put it in a small mason canning jar along with the ground up cannabis. 1 pint jar works well.

Step #7
Take a small cooking pot and fill halfway with water and bring to a boil on the stove.

Step #8 Place canning jar in water with a thermometer in the can and boil for 20 minutes @ 170 degrees (f).

Step #9 take canning jar out of water and let cool.

Step #10 extract green cannabis liquid and press ground cannabis to get all liquid out, store in a small 2 oz dropper bottle.


If you like my simplified guide, or it helped you out please rate me up. Thanks

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i am excited to try this... i really hope i dont blow something up!

do you think using duff (vaporizer leftovers) would work to make GD with or should i should stick to making butter with it?

Yeah it works, but it takes a loooooong time. I presume you mean doing it without heat. It'll take a month or so to finish and you'll have to use more to get less of an effect. Try the above mentioned recipe and you will get absolutely sideways The last batch I made, I used honey to flavor it. By the time I got the flavor right, I had inadvertenly injested enough to put me on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, if you know what I mean. Damn near psychedelic. Way different than smoking

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First and foremost, Master Wu, This is great! Many thanks.

My first batch, being a little flush with bud (great harvest), I used 20 g. of good bud, no stems, branches, or leaves, ground real fine, and used 10 oz. of 184 proof shine I had available. I tested it myself using a Widder alcoholmeter - 92%.
Everything went exactly as you said, and your tip about the garlic press is great. I ended up with 8 oz. of deep emerald green high proof gd, which is the very best way I've ever used shine or bud. Thanks again for your recipe.

Now, the reason I'm writing is b/c of what happened while making my second batch using 32 g. manicured bud, 12 oz . 184 pr. shine. Everything was perfect until I lifted the Mason jar from the hot water (about 10 oz. gd).

Just as the bottom of the jar cleared the water, the bottom of the Mason jar fell out, dumping my gd into the 6 cups of water in my kettle. I had a very accurate test thermometer in the Mason jar at all times and used it to stir during the 20 min. extraction period.

Does any one know why this happened? I have idea, but I'm not sure. Any ideas or reasons would help b/c this could have been a nasty burn if it happened 1 second later.

Best Regards

can i use lemon extract instead of rum (like on greendragonsoda), but still follow this method? is lemon extract less effective?

cnt wait to try that
i think im in love

I am not sure what yall mean by high quality bud. Where I am from high quality bud is either hydro or exotic, which can sell for between $20-$30 a gram. So this would be quite expensive for me. I get regular wich is swag. This is not too bad, and is cheap. It has redish hairs, and it gets my mother and me high with about a joint. But to get me stoned it would take 2 joints (I smoke all day every day). So could I use this, and if so how much should I use? Please help me with this.

I am sorry for double posting, but I just thought of something to add to help yall answer my question. I made about a dozen cookies with an ounce of this pot, and I ate 3 plus , and I was so messed up that I could not control myself. This was my first and last time eating cookies. So can you please tell me if this is good enough to use.

well you basically answered your own question, the recipe calls for high quality bud. If an 8th of "dro, exotic" is too much for ya to part ways with then this isnt for you.

I can see something wrong here. THC starts to boil at 250c-300c(strain dependant)
All the THC acid will decarboxylate to active THC if you bake it at 100c, you'll keep more flavour and more THC in your dragon.

The measuring display on my stove isn't that accurate to show 325 temperature... would an oven work?

nvm. just wonder if it would work without catching my stove on fire.

some questions:

can the temperature be placed at 310 to 320 for heating up the bud at the beginning for five minutes..? and afterwards you want the mason jar in the preheated oven for 20 minutes or wait for it to boil for 20 minutes? Can 21 minutes be done?

can you boil the water in the oven? and then put the jar in the water that's in the oven and let both sit in the oven at 170 for 20 mins?