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Bow down to the master! Do you have a temple where I can carry water up the steps?
Seriously though are you a scientist or what?
well Im going to get the thermometer so I can use the stove...
I just want to know if THC can actually be extracted through heating the mixture instead of having to wait 2-3 weeks and if it's the same high. I don't want to have to wait so long. if I do this perfectly when I get my thermometer I hope I don't waste my bud... :P I'm going to try it tho. Master Wu you've tried this yourself numerous times huh?
um I hope meat thermometer works...
my green dragon is fully complete. I used a meat thermometer..
only thing that crosses my mind now is that I did a bit longer than 20-21 minutes to make sure it really gets absorbed because I wasn't sure if the temperature was correctly 170 for 20-21 minutes.. and at the end after I removed it from heat to check how it did, I put it back in the water bath for it to get to 170 degrees again and hold it there for some good amount of time to make sure it all gets absorbed, and found that I may've put the stove on for too high and waited too long to check the thermometer (was busy at the time) to see if it was 170, and it was at like 175-80. At that point I just removed it from heat finally and let it cool for it to be stored..
Im going to try it out tomorrow to see if it works.
I used about an eighth of schwag in case anyone was wnodering what kind of bud I was useing..
good and righteous marijuana consumption ya'll
Im really hoping this works..
Has anyone tried to make GD with hash/pollum/ice-o (real hash, not soap)? Just wondering if it might make the process a little easier since you don't have to strain it.
it's been about one hour already and I don't feel a thing...
is there a way that I could've burnt away the thc after heating it up for longer?
or maybe my thermometer wasn't right? it was bubbling finely for a good 20 minutes..
Last edited by Non; Feb-16-2007 at 08:51.
well not as strong as I expected.. I took 2 dropperfuls... I may take some more but Im going to wait 1hr and 30-45.
well after 2 hours I felt nothing. so I just finished taking double the dose about 4 1/3 dropperfuls. Putting them in tablespoons of water to taste it. Tastes strong or pungent but hopefully its the right kind of taste..
I might try making another batch today.
well lets see, I've made another batch, this time paying attention to the smell, while the bud is in the oven , 'activating it's thc' or w/e, and then trying to as quickly as I can transfer it to the 151 on the stove already being at 175-80 degrees tho so I took it out of the pan and then put the bud in then put it back.. thing rose again to 175-80 all fast and I took it out like 2-3 times. then it lowered to 170 or lower and Im keeping it there for 20 minutes.
I noticed a smell that was gone in my last batch when I was making it , the alcohol didn't tingle my nose anymore when I came up to smell it. I thought maybe by going too high in temperature, I might've lost that smell which may be whats needed for the alcohol to activate the thc..
I'll let ya'll know how it goes..
k I took 4 dropperfuls of this stuff...
hopefully it worked even tho I let the temp be a little lower than 170 but since I read that you had done 160-65 before so I thought it may work. I just didn't want to go over 170 at all. If it's necessary to be 170 then in my next batch I won't start counting down the 20 minutes until I reach a steady exact temperature of 170.
I also thought maybe the tingly smell of the 151 should be more of a 'well done' heated smell, instead of just smelling tingly as if there was alcohol left not heated up thoroughly enough to 'activate' the thc. I was left with more alcohol 'tincture' this time, more than 1 ounce.
Next time I'll try to exact 170 temperature for exactly 20 minutes. If this works I want to master it. I just hope I can be a little flexible.
well this last one did not work well either...
so the decarboxylation should leave it looking a bit brown? I sometimes think I might burn it and the thc into the air. should it be browned a bit or can I leave some color, I just notice how much my bud smells from warm to burning and it smells nice just being heated and not looking too burned or brown and dry. so I take it out of the oven from 4-5 minutes still having a little green left.
browned a littled charred or what?
I really want to find a way to extract thc into alcohol to make tincture without having to wait weeks... this green dragon method hasn't worked for me and I tried all variations...
Try using some higher quality bud possibly, if you're using 'schwag' or something similar, that may be why. Unluckily, almost every recipe you'll read will call for an 8th of 'fine quality bud', meaning you need something better than you're using, most likely.
yeah. I was using lots of twigs and leaves (schwag).. "shake" you know.
I wanted to add some facts here I found on decarboxylation which some may find useful.
Heating dried marijuana makes the carboxyl group convert into water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). When marijuana is smoked, the burning eliminates the carboxyl group. There are several ways to decarboxylate marijuana for use in extracts. A layer of marijuana buds or leaf can be placed in an oven at 150 degrees for 15 minutes. This is far below the boiling point of THC yet warm enough to evaporate the carboxyl group. Another method of releasing the COOH is by placing a bowl of buds in the microwave for 2 minutes. The waves will boil away the water. The boiling point of marijuana's active cannabinoids ranges from 260-392 degrees F.
The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200° C (355-392° F). Before they turn gaseous, at around 106° C (220° F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.
I bought a better non meat candy thermometer with the bulb at the bottom for this recipe..
I made a couple batches of this stuff using schwag and Everclear. The first batch I made I had to take 3 doses before I felt a little bit of a body high. The second batch I made I think I might have knackered. I got a little distracted and let the alcohol boil for a little too long so now I just have some damp stuff at the bottom of the jar. Is there any way I can maybe add some more Everclear to this to rescue some of it or should I just try and squeeze what I can out of it?
Also, does the mixture have to boil at 170F or would it be possible to decrease the temperature a little (say 160F or so) and boil it for longer? My stovetop sucks.
I just made my first batch of GD with Everclear and an eighth of Trainwreck. I tested it out and it takes about 2 droppers to work as oposed to Master Wu's one dropper full.
My question for Master Wu is:
How important is it for the simmering temperature to be 170 degrees for 2 minutes?
As I see it, since the vaporization temp for THC is around 380F, does it really matter if you go over 170F? So long as you dont get anywhere near 380, I would think the THC would remain in the mixture and not degrade.
I ask the question because I was a dummy and used 4 oz. of Everclear instead of 2 oz. (I filled a measuring cup to 1/8 line but later realized that I was using a pint based measuring cup!). Anyhow, I simply boiled off 3 oz. of Everclear instead of only 1oz. It took me about 50 minutes of boiling the mixture at 170-175 degrees to reduce the mixture down to a little more than 1 oz.
So I'm wondering if the reduced potency of my mixture is due to: (a) increased simmering temperature and time; (b) inadequate decarboxylation; (c) poor quality bud; or (d) a combination of a,b or c.
Thanks for your guidance and advice Master Wu!
I think I've been burning the bud in the decarboxylation process because of my oven. I just set it at the lowest temp 170 for about 17-18 minutes and the bud is really aromatic
Guys I don't get it....what's wrong with eating it? It's GOT to be less work than all this.
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whats wrong with using isopropyl alcohol, the strongest stuff i can get around here is 40% whiskey. is it harmfull in any way?
ok, i just read upon isopropyl [rubbing] alcohol. it acts as a poison on the human body so dont use it.
Yesterday I needed to make a batch but only had about a gram of bud. So I added about half a gram of keif. I also realized from reading this thread again that the last 2 batches I made, I baked at way too cool of a setting on the oven. 250 for 5 min. instead of 325 for 5 min. really makes a difference. No wonder it didn't get as brown as all the previous times. *NOTE TO SELF* Check the recipe before making it!!
Now back to what I was saying. I ground up the herb and spread it out on the foil then sprinkled the keif on the herb then baked it. That pile of THC rich organic material and a couple of glugs out of the jug of EVERCLEAR went into a pint Mason Jar which I set into a couple of inches of boiling water in a saucepan. After I started heating it in the water bath, my wife needed to go to the store right now. I just turned off the fire and left it. When we got back I turned the heat back on and when the thermometer read 170 I timed 20 min. then turned it back off. I got this cool little strainer bag that I use to strain and press out all the GD but a ladies' knee high nylon stocking (Preferably new, but whatever you're into... lol) works good and they're like 99 cents at Walmart. Then I add honey and adjust to taste. This time it took about 4 dropperfuls to get the taste right. Now I'm 6' tall and 220 lbs and with this batch 1 dropper would have sufficed. I finished the taste test at 5PM and started to make room in the garage for the new washing machine. At 7PM I noticed I was feeling it and over the next couple of hours it was a fucking cresendo man. By 10 I was wandering around in the garage trying to remember what in the hell I was doing. It was fuckin-a near narcotic, and at 4AM when I got up I was still too high to drive 'til after breakfast. If you follow this recipe it will work but you need an eighth of good weed, bake it at 325 for 5 min., and don't let it go over 170 when you are double boiling it.
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