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Obama and mmj!

So while studying this morning for my 8am exam (only reason I caught the AM news), I heard some good news from the Obama man:

Obama administration says it won't target medical marijuana users in states where legal | Natio...

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The D.A. seems to feel a tad different in L.A.

My Way News - LA's top prosecutor vows to target pot shops
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once again, Obama is getting credit, for basically doing nothing ... this is identical to all of his prior press releases, regarding medical marijuana ... I like to hear it, but what does it change ? ... the arrests, raids, and prosecution are still dependent upon the 'judgement' of law enforcement agencies ... there is NO hard written rules, prohibiting arrests ... my boss can tell me he'd like to see a lot of work done in my 8-hour shift, but that doesn't mean anything, if he doesn't spell out, what I have to have accomplished ... more 'talk', from a professional politician
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Well...It's not going to change immediately over night - but this is just another stepping stone leading to the ultimate goal

It's better than hearing they are going to crack down even harder
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this is already posted all over the forum, is just another repetition of earlier 'statements' ... doesn't mean much, some LEO are already pointing out, the prez., does not have the legal authority, to tell them how to enforce Laws, that are on the books ... more political double-talk ... don't fall for this clown's bullshit
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However, the freedom it gives to the individual state to decide it's own policies regarding marijuana is very positive step in the right direction.
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I agree completely. A baby step in the right direction. Have I read it correctly that this gives more freedoms to the individual states to decide what their policy will be? If so....Bravo.
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What we need is federal legalization vs this state nonsence. As long as there is a federal prohibition there is going to be continued problems for users and providers.
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I am all for legalization. But like any well-informed person, I like to know the arguments on both sides.

What do you all think about the possible decline in general productivity in the American workforce? While I'd like to think that our yearn for money would motivate us to continue being productive in jobs, I can't help but wonder if a lot of our workforce productivity WOULD decline because of irresponsible marijuana use. There are many people who have drastically changed their lives to accommodate their marijuana use, including working fewer hours and even putting their family through financial hardship because of it. I see these "addiction" symptoms frequently at work.

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that would be OK, EXCEPT, his statements didn't change any LAWS ... he's only making his 'opinions' made public ... he needs to change the Laws ... anything less, is merely rhetoric, he's only making noises ...
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I am all for legalization. But like any well-informed person, I like to know the arguments on both sides.

What do you all think about the possible decline in general productivity in the American workforce? While I'd like to think that our yearn for money would motivate us to continue being productive in jobs, I can't help but wonder if a lot of our workforce productivity WOULD decline because of irresponsible marijuana use. .......
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Irresponsible adults/-parents whatever are going to exist whether we decriminalize marijuana or not. I am guessing folks who would prioritize weed over their job, family, etc have no problem getting their drugs anyway. Makes no difference whether it is legal or not.

I am not disagreeing with you that many people are irresponsible with their life decisions. But I do not think that someone who is responsible and productive will now become an unproductive bum just because marijuana is more readily available
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But I do not think that someone who is responsible and productive will now become an unproductive bum just because marijuana is more readily available
I disagree. I've worked with numerous adolescents and adults who did not use marijuana, but once they made friends who do (or found out their friends do), the availability of marijuana resulted in fewer healthy activities, more procrastination, and less fulfillment of obligations and productivity.

For example, I worked with a man who used to spend a lot of time with his kids, taking them to the park daily, etc. He provided very well for himself and his kids, and I considered him to be a wonderful parent. He admitted he like to partake every few weeks, but he was very responsible with it; it was a healthy activity for him.

Long story short, he found someone who sold him decent quality bud really cheap, and he began spending more time smoking pot and less time on responsibilities. Instead of his monthly tokes, he began breaking promises, play-dates, etc. in order to smoke. Of course the availability of the marijuana wasn't the sole "cause" of these behavioral changes, but it certainly was a big factor, and I feel confident saying I don't think his behaviors/priorities would have changed that drastically had he not found a cheap source.

There's no right or wrong here, I am just concerned that legalization may bring similar consequences as what I've seen.

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What do you all think about the possible decline in general productivity in the American workforce? While I'd like to think that our yearn for money would motivate us to continue being productive in jobs, I can't help but wonder if a lot of our workforce productivity WOULD decline because of irresponsible marijuana use. There are many people who have drastically changed their lives to accommodate their marijuana use, including working fewer hours and even putting their family through financial hardship because of it. I see these "addiction" symptoms frequently at work.

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Think about all those of us that already do it and hold down our jobs just fine.people are gonna do what they are gonna do regardless of laws.
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once again, Obama is getting credit, for basically doing nothing...
Such as wining the "Ignoble Prize" award, eh?
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Obama is doing once again what most politicians do. He pushes and shoves until us until we feel cornered and then to keep us people on his side he concedes a little so people might think, "well just maybe".....
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Those people that get unmotivated and lazy while using weed, would probably be the same way just weed is an excuse. If you are weak minded without weed, you will be equally weak minded with weed. Besides how many people would be out of jail or prison if weed was legal. How lazy do you get sitting in a cell? I mean how many lives has weed prohibition ruined? Get caught with weed and you can't get a student loan, but be convicted of arson or rape and go right ahead and get your student loan. I guess the message is it is OK to rape and pillage just don't smoke weed while you're doing it..... the madness...
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Get caught with weed and you can't get a student loan, but be convicted of arson or rape and go right ahead and get your student loan. I guess the message is it is OK to rape and pillage just don't smoke weed while you're doing it..... the madness...
Ummm...what??

How about some links or something to back up your claims? I was caught with weed in high school and college, and I got student loans for both undergrad and graduate schools without any problems.
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my buddy got busted on campus in the dorms couple years ago, and he still gets student loans
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