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    I don't like to be "that" guy, but you really have to research this section of the forums (drug testing). All of the answers you are looking for are in here, I know because I've freakin read waaay too many of them.

    They test for creatine levels because a low level indicates a dilluted sample. Read the stickies and you'll know why.

    B12(plus the B complex) add color and some weight to the urine, that's all.

    They also test for salts in the urine, those add to the weight.

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    question about diluted sample

    been clean for 16 days and passed a home drug test a day before todays test
    I took a lab urinalysis today. the test was at 10:30 and i woke up at 9:00 and urinated twice before the test with one glass of water only . when i took the first test i did not give enough of a sample so they told me to drink a few glasses of water and wait to go again. my first sample was a rich yellow color and then after the first sample i drank 4 6oz glasses of water and waited to go again. after 20 min i submitted my second sample and it was a light yellow/green color
    my question is will this sample be diluted b/c of the water or did i not drink enough water to have a diluted sample.
    im worried my creatine level will not be sufficient
    please give me any knowledge you have . this is very important to my future

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    Women getting tested

    Hi folks,

    Having read all of the threads here on the topic of drug testing (and having found them tremendously helpful, thanks) I will endeavor to avoid redundancy.

    Here are my details, in case anyone is interested. I'm a late-30-something woman working in a reasonably high-up position in the business field. I've been a pretty heavy toker (consume about an eighth a week) for the past 10 or so years. I have never had to take a drug test before. I will be beginning a new job in September, however, which requires me to pass a urine test. Because of this, I've given up my favorite vice (oh, the horror) so that by the time I'm tested in late August, I will have had between 11 and 14 weeks of clean living. I am 5'4'' and 170lbs, so definitely not a lean lass but not obese either. I've also been living a pretty sedentary lifestyle. As such, a high body fat percentage and slow metabolism is the thorn in my side in terms of passing. I'll be trying to up my daily activity and water consumption in order to boost my metabolism in the coming weeks.

    Here are my questions.

    1. Most of the posts I've read on this site have been made by men. Similarly, most of the research I've read has used men as participants. Do any of the experts out there know if clearance time is higher for women than men? I would assume so, since our body fat percentage is as much as double that of men.

    2. Also, I'm trying hard not to ask the ubiquitous (and probably annoying) "will I pass?" question, so I'll put it this way. Assuming I do not cheat between now and mid-August, do those in the know still recommend I dilute at that point or is this overkill? Has anyone on here quit for that long and NOT passed?

    3. Okay fine, I'll do it... Will I pass?

    Thanks again to those who have posted such great tips, helping good honest people like us protect our jobs and family.
    Last edited by boogey; Apr-30-2007 at 17:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzy412 View Post
    Hey N2, i was just wondering how necessary raising your creatine levels are, and where you can find creatine suppliments if it is necessary. Thanks.
    you can get creatine monohydrate at GNC for fairly cheap. it's in powder form. mix it up with some grape juice or gatorade. the breakdown product is creatinine. if it's too elevated in your urine, tell them you were exercising that morning or the night before

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogey View Post
    Hi folks,

    Having read all of the threads here on the topic of drug testing (and having found them tremendously helpful, thanks) I will endeavor to avoid redundancy.

    Here are my details, in case anyone is interested. I'm a late-30-something woman working in a reasonably high-up position in the business field. I've been a pretty heavy toker (consume about an eighth a week) for the past 10 or so years. I have never had to take a drug test before. I will be beginning a new job in September, however, which requires me to pass a urine test. Because of this, I've given up my favorite vice (oh, the horror) so that by the time I'm tested in late August, I will have had between 11 and 14 weeks of clean living. I am 5'4'' and 170lbs, so definitely not a lean lass but not obese either. I've also been living a pretty sedentary lifestyle. As such, a high body fat percentage and slow metabolism is the thorn in my side in terms of passing. I'll be trying to up my daily activity and water consumption in order to boost my metabolism in the coming weeks.

    Here are my questions.

    1. Most of the posts I've read on this site have been made by men. Similarly, most of the research I've read has used men as participants. Do any of the experts out there know if clearance time is higher for women than men? I would assume so, since our body fat percentage is as much as double that of men.

    2. Also, I'm trying hard not to ask the ubiquitous (and probably annoying) "will I pass?" question, so I'll put it this way. Assuming I do not cheat between now and mid-August, do those in the know still recommend I dilute at that point or is this overkill? Has anyone on here quit for that long and NOT passed?

    3. Okay fine, I'll do it... Will I pass?

    Thanks again to those who have posted such great tips, helping good honest people like us protect our jobs and family.
    2.5 months is more than long enough to get rid of thc. you can help the process by exercising too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 1 DJ View Post
    dang guys i got b12 instead of b2 u think this is good or should i just go get b2 to be safe?
    b2 is riboflavin. it's a totally different vitamin. the op was talking about b12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FakeBoobsRule View Post
    I know this thread is old but for people who read it and wonder, drinking a lot of water or fluids days before the test is useless. As long as you are properly hydrated you will not be able to raise your kidney's filtration rate by loading up on water. You kidneys will regulate your blood volume to adjust for the increased water intake and you will not be able to increase your kidney's output of THC metabolites.
    i think you might have reversed your thinking there. it's not that less THC total is filtered, it's that you dilute your urine enough so that there are say 1 part per 100,000 units of water instead of 1 part per 10,000 units of water. dilution works. only problem is 'specific gravity' or density of your urine goes down and the lab can check that as well.

    this thread gives pretty detailed explanations of how to make your urine not seem diluted as well. not sure if it's as reliable. and nothing really seems as reliable as substituing.


    this all depends on how old you are too. after 25-30 peoples kidneys really slow down. and it depends on your weight, because thc can form a suspension with your fat that makes it a very slow release over a very long period of time.
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    hey um... i got a problem

    im only 19 (on june 13 woo!) n imon probation

    now i smoked about a hit n a half (maybe 2 lol) of some kinda potent shit...
    i weigh 170 im a lil chubby but kinda stalky... but neways
    my next piss test is on the 19th n i smoked on the 10th!!!

    i am gonna follow the dilution method but im scared.. i dont wanna lose my life.. n i know it was irresponsible n all but im still.. in a rut man...

    more info: before the 10th, i smoked on like the 25th or before that, like a hit or 2 maybe 3.... n before that was about a month or two... do u guys think ima get locked up.. or will i be fine? anyone.. please? anyone trustworthy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chantoke View Post
    i think you might have reversed your thinking there. it's not that less THC total is filtered, it's that you dilute your urine enough so that there are say 1 part per 100,000 units of water instead of 1 part per 10,000 units of water. dilution works. only problem is 'specific gravity' or density of your urine goes down and the lab can check that as well.
    What do you mean I might have reversed my thinking? I never said less THC total is filtered. I understand dilution completely. I gave this explanation about 4 months ago. I have no problems understanding or explaining dilution.

    Quote Originally Posted by FakeBoobsRule View Post
    Actually I do and I will show you why without hesitation . First of all, THC is fat soluble, not water soluble. You can't flood your body with water or fluids and clean it out like you would pressure wash your driveway. The rate at which THC metabolites are eliminated in urine is governed by your kidneys' glomerular filtration rate. Once properly hydrated, you cannot increase the GFR by increasing fluid intake. If you keep drinking and drinking fluids and your body didn't regulate itself, you would die. To control this, your kidneys will pull water from the body and eliminate it to make up for the excess fluids you are drinking. During this whole process, you will not make your kidneys work better because you are taking in excess fluids and going to the bathroom more often. You did not increase how effective your kidneys are eliminating THC metabolites from the blood. All you did was increase the amount of water in your urine.

    When you drink a lot of fluids on the day of the test, this is know as the dilution method. You are not passing the test because you cleaned your body of THC metabolites. What you have done is you have decreased the concentration of THC metabolites in the urine by increasing water. Most drug tests are not zero tolerance. Most drug tests use a cutoff on immunoassay of 50 ng of THC metabolites per ml of urine. Some tests will use a different cutoff but we will stick to this one. If you increase the mls of urine your body is prducing an hour, your THC metabolite concentration will drop. For example, if your body is eliminating 25,000 ng of THC metabolites an hour and 50 mls of urine an hour, your THC concentration is 25,000 divided by 50 mls for a level of 500 ng/ml. That would be a failure. If you take in excess fluids on the day of the test and produce 500 mls of urine an hour your concentration is now 25,000 divided by 500 for a level of 50ng/ml.

    Your dad passed because he diluted, not because he cleaned himself out. He increased the amount of fluid in his urine and the concentration of THC metabolites dropped. Same amount of THC metabolites were there when he got to work that day, only after being told of the drug test, he increased fluid intake, increased fluid in the urine, drop in concentration. Cranberry juice is a mild diuretic and also has mild anti-septic properties in the urinary tract (why women subject to frequent urinary tract infections sometimes drink a lot of cranberry juice). It doesn't clean you out though.

    Some THC metabolites are eliminated through sweating but very very little. Most THC metabolites are actually eliminated from your body by your liver, bile, and feces. Aerobic exercise can help you burn more THC metabolites from your body because THC is fat soluble and if you increase fat cell turnover, this can help. So it is the aerobic exercise burning calories that is important, not the sweat you get from the aerobics.
    Use the search feature and you can find the original thread. I am too tired and I gotta hurry before my girl wakes up.

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    If i use multi-vitimin will it pass for the vitamin B i need to make my pee yeller?

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    Well...I followed the dilution method as well as I could, and I took a test today. The piss was still incredibly pale, though, so I'm worried they'll just say it's an automatic failed because it looks like I tried to cheat the test. Just wanted to say thanks for the information, and to wish me luck, haha...

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    Oh, and by the way guys, with the creatine, from my research, they only test for 5ng/ml, which is an extremely small amount. They can't really test the creatine, because they don't know what your normal level is without testing you 24 hours before hand, just for your creatine level

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    Quote Originally Posted by v4r1bl3 View Post
    Oh, and by the way guys, with the creatine, from my research, they only test for 5ng/ml, which is an extremely small amount. They can't really test the creatine, because they don't know what your normal level is without testing you 24 hours before hand, just for your creatine level

    OMG This advice is completely INCORRECT.

    First of all they are measuring creatinine clearance and not creatine. Second the unit of measure is mg/dl not ng/ml. Third they can test for creatinine clearance and they aren't testing for creatine. Fourth, the level where you might be considered dilute is not 5 ng/ml but at 20 mg/dl or less, you could be in danger of getting a dilute negative depending on what your specific gravity is.
    Last edited by FakeBoobsRule; Jun-28-2007 at 14:47.

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    Yeah, chief, I made a typo, and I've read on several different pages that they've lowered it to 5mg/dl, my bad.

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    Actually, we're both right, they're both units of measure. And by the way, not everyone is as perfect as you, but I'm pretty sure could still realize that when I said "creatine" they're testing of some form of it.

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    No, just because they are both units of measure doesn't mean we are both right. Below 5 mg/dl is usually considered non-human urine and not a dilute sample. Then you get into a whole new round of trouble because you look like you have adulterated your sample.

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    Funny, since I've been seeing ng/ml all over the place on not only on this forum, but others. And I didn't say below 5, I said over. Though, why I even bother posting I don't know, since you are simply looking to prove how amazingly awesome your knowledge is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v4r1bl3 View Post
    Funny, since I've been seeing ng/ml all over the place on not only on this forum, but others. And I didn't say below 5, I said over. Though, why I even bother posting I don't know, since you are simply looking to prove how amazingly awesome your knowledge is.
    Funny thing is you are getting levels mixed up. 50 ng/ml is associated with the threshold on immunoassay and THC metabolite level. The way you said "they only test for 5ng/ml" in your first post in this thread makes it sound like that is the passing level, so yes you did and it is also incorrect. I'm not proving how amazing my drug testing knowledge is, I just don't want people to fail because someone comes along with a post count of 6 and starts typing out bad info.

    You need to have a creatinine clearance level of 20 mg/dl or higher to pass validity without any problems. It is that simple.

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    Guarantee to pass pre-employment

    I'm not saying this is every case or your employer or PO will follow the same guidelines, but just be careful. Just sucks alot when a non smoker gets burned by a drug test

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    thanks i hope

    Well thanks for the tips. I followed the guidelines to a T, except it took a little longer for my pee to turn yellow after taking the vitamin B but i will keep yall posted on the results.

    And im a female so we shall see if it passes the gender test as someone before mentioned.

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    I passed the test! It worked, it worked, I'm employed, and thank God for this site! Next step is to buy an oz and celebrate! First chonger's going out to N2!
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    I understand that the B-Vitamin is primarily to keep the urine a more "normal" color, and not look so diluted. However, what prevents the sample from seeming diluted when they test it? Or is that why you drink electrolytes to raise the specific gravity, because then the sample doesn't seem dilute? I'm just wondering how they determine whether or not dilution was done because for my pre-employment screen dilution is counted as an automatic positive so I dont want to encounter that.

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    electrolytes, or rolaids will raise the specific gravity, and also creatinine levels could possibly be checked for dilution. Which can be fixed by eating a lot of red meat 1-2 days before the test

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    Quote Originally Posted by v4r1bl3 View Post
    electrolytes, or rolaids will raise the specific gravity, and also creatinine levels could possibly be checked for dilution. Which can be fixed by eating a lot of red meat 1-2 days before the test

    Hello I am new here. I am going to eat red meat. What kind of meat and how well should I cook?


    Next week I will go to network company for tech support training and will have drug test but not know when I will have drug test. I stop smoking since last Monday. I read N2's instruction. I bought B12 and asprins. I am going to start drink coffee and gatorades. I am going to take asprins and B12 daily til drug test. Will it be ok?

    TimberWolf

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    some one help me

    im a ghanja lover and i was cought with the fukin po-po with my bowl and weed well i ditched the weed cuz the cop was a dumb fuck but i got cought with the pipe so i want to court an they sent me to cads and i start that in like a week and they allready drug tested me an i failed terribly and they are guna test me again and if i fail again im fucked so what should i do? drink a shit bunch of water? put a couple dropps of bleach in my piss? and do detoxifacation pills work? helllllllp

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