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Bree1978 · #26 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2007, 08:12

Yah, thank you. IA, everything looks great except the plants, lol!! ha ha ha

Bree

xxxhazexxx · #27 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2007, 08:17

give them time and they will come good,take youe time and love your babys and they will love you back baby good luck everything will be cool looking forward to watching them grow

**stinkyattic** · #28 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2007, 11:52

Heya Bree, I love your construction photos.
The plants.... they look sad.
Did you add lime because you were already aware of a pH problem?
Is that soil heavy on the peat moss? It has that color... and the symptoms of crap pH are certainly there.
You know my foolproof soil mix... lots of composted humus (from the farmers supply since it's treated for pests and seeds, unlike the stuff in the compost heap)... 40% perlite... no peat! lol but seriously it's very easy to control the pH since the organic acids in the humus buffer pH ~6.8 and also act to chelate fertilizer components.
Good luck!

xxxhazexxx · #29 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2007, 12:13

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Heya Bree, I love your construction photos.
The plants.... they look sad.
Did you add lime because you were already aware of a pH problem?
Is that soil heavy on the peat moss? It has that color... and the symptoms of crap pH are certainly there.
You know my foolproof soil mix... lots of composted humus (from the farmers supply since it's treated for pests and seeds, unlike the stuff in the compost heap)... 40% perlite... no peat! lol but seriously it's very easy to control the pH since the organic acids in the humus buffer pH ~6.8 and also act to chelate fertilizer components.
Good luck!

the more im on this site the more i notice stinky is a god amongst grower hal stinky

**stinkyattic** · #30 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2007, 13:00

aw shush...
I've still got some skeletons in my [veg] closet too.

xxxhazexxx · #31 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2007, 13:17

lol we all have stinky

harris7 · #32 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2007, 22:11

bree,

you said you havent read any books. There interesting to read but i find them much more valuable (and reliable) when i need a particular answer

Here are some books i've come accross online

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i had some trouble posting the others, if you'd like them Rep me your email sometime.

btw i got them off of a torrent. lots of good info on them

#33 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 03:53

the pic's in post #24 are one of 3-thing's.... you need to decide which.overwater,underwater,overnute.I have seen the same poor root growth and wilting,in all 3 of these situations.

Bree1978 · #34 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 07:06

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Originally Posted by divestoned

the pic's in post #24 are one of 3-thing's.... you need to decide which.overwater,underwater,overnute.I have seen the same poor root growth and wilting,in all 3 of these situations.

You are absolutely correct. I've been tossing and turning all night. Yes, indeed my life might be considered 'boring'. I can only think it is underwatering and overwatering....from that bad soil I had. There is ph probs too though. I must have been stoned and done something. or it's that new soil i'm using..I don't think it is nute burn, I've barely used any.

What does it mean when your stems are curled hard as hell? I think two last night were showing mg def. The reason I say this is they had 'prayin' leaves.

I'm feverently waiting for the lights to turn on to see how they look....

I'm listening to fur elise, and now I'm going to think of you when I hear it, lol.

Bree

Bree1978 · #35 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 07:12

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Heya Bree, I love your construction photos.
The plants.... they look sad.
Did you add lime because you were already aware of a pH problem?
Is that soil heavy on the peat moss? It has that color... and the symptoms of crap pH are certainly there.
You know my foolproof soil mix... lots of composted humus (from the farmers supply since it's treated for pests and seeds, unlike the stuff in the compost heap)... 40% perlite... no peat! lol but seriously it's very easy to control the pH since the organic acids in the humus buffer pH ~6.8 and also act to chelate fertilizer components.
Good luck!

Thanks, and they do look like crap. I'm running, not walking, out to the nearest nursery this morning....I actually had to look up farmers market...lol. I live in a rural area, but there are three within five miles of me....nearest grocery store seven miles away! Now, would you personally repot so soon or try adding more lime for now? oh, I didn't add any to begin with, it was already in there. Hell, if I kill them off, lesson learned!

Sleepwalkers is playing now, that's your song, lol.

Bree

Bree1978 · #36 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 07:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by harris7

bree,

you said you havent read any books. There interesting to read but i find them much more valuable (and reliable) when i need a particular answer

Here are some books i've come accross online

-

i had some trouble posting the others, if you'd like them Rep me your email sometime.

btw i got them off of a torrent. lots of good info on them

Harris7, thanks I will do. i can't rep you yet though, must spread some around. lol. I've been reading those, and I'm finding them helpful.....

Thank you Rubberband Man, HA!

Do do do do do

Bree

Sorry about the three different posts. I'm not with it quite yet this morn.

**stinkyattic** · #37 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 08:17

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Originally Posted by Bree1978

Thanks, and they do look like crap. I'm running, not walking, out to the nearest nursery this morning....I actually had to look up farmers market...lol. I live in a rural area, but there are three within five miles of me....nearest grocery store seven miles away!

Nice. But farmers market, or farm supply? Don't you have Agway there? Their store brand composted cow manure with humus is the cat's ass.

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Originally Posted by Bree1978

Now, would you personally repot so soon or try adding more lime for now? oh, I didn't add any to begin with, it was already in there.

No, I'd flush, check runoff pH, and adjust it using liquid pH up. If your runoff is like 5.8 for example, flush with pH 8 water... see what I'm saying? If you don't get the lime blended fully into the dirt, which is tough when you are dealing with ROOTS, you can get pH hot spots and boy have fun diagnosing that!!! It's the most fucked up set of symptoms you are likely to run across.

Bree1978 · #38 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 10:45

Stinky, i looked up farm supply, not market...der, I wrote that wrong. I went to a greenhouse/nursery instead because it gave me a chance to bs with the workers since I was an employee there 15 years ago. They didn't have composted cow manure with humus. They had it without humus and I bought that. I also bought organic shrimp and seaweed compost with peat humus. Is all humus derived from peat? I also got a dolomite lime that says organic...it has calcium and magnesium in it!! I needed that! I looked for worm castings, but couldn't they didn't have it.

I can make a great mixture with this yes? I was thinking 35% one compost 35% the other, 30% perlite and a few tablespoons mixed well. I have forty lbs of cow, and 60 dry quarts of the shrimp/seaweed, so plenty if you have a better mix.

The plant I repotted yesterday with Organic miracle gro, some of that last stuff, perlite, and vermiculite looks fantastic, not much droop at all It also has GREEN stems...so I KNOW that my mix is junk, not my so called repotting skills. I don't have ph down (except baking soda, which I don't think is all that great, is it?). I think in light of this, I'm going to repot again and cross my fingers....
I also have one plant that absolutely is ready and hasn't been potted yet.

So if you see this post soon, let me know what you think, please!

Any may chime in if they have something to share.

Bree

**stinkyattic** · #39 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 10:58

No, humus is just a general name for composted plant matter like you would find on the forest floor.
I suspect that humus made from the leaves of deciduous trees is the best; this is just a hunch, but leaf compost is very nice stuff either way.
Rhizome gave a good soil recipe on KDSpecial's latest thread under 'indoor'; I trust his judgement better than my own, but my hunch here is to go heavier on the seaweed stuff and lighter on the cow manure.
One thing that a couple fertilizer companies are selling now is soilless mixes that also contain coco fibers as a texturizing component, and I am going to be experimenting with that type of mix in my outdoor container veggies this summer!
Lesse, what else... baking soda would be a pH UP component, and not a great one lol; cider vinegar would be pH down and it actually isn't all that terrible... you're going to want to test the pH of each of the compost components going into your mix anyway just to make sure they are in the right range. Only add the lime if you find that your pH is too low to start with.

Bree1978 · #40 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkyattic

No, humus is just a general name for composted plant matter like you would find on the forest floor.
I suspect that humus made from the leaves of deciduous trees is the best; this is just a hunch, but leaf compost is very nice stuff either way.
Rhizome gave a good soil recipe on KDSpecial's latest thread under 'indoor'; I trust his judgement better than my own, but my hunch here is to go heavier on the seaweed stuff and lighter on the cow manure. One thing that a couple fertilizer companies are selling now is soilless mixes that also contain coco fibers as a texturizing component, and I am going to be experimenting with that type of mix in my outdoor container veggies this summer!
Lesse, what else... baking soda would be a pH UP component, and not a great one lol; cider vinegar would be pH down and it actually isn't all that terrible... you're going to want to test the pH of each of the compost components going into your mix anyway just to make sure they are in the right range. Only add the lime if you find that your pH is too low to start with.

Perfect. You gave me the answers I was looking for. I'll ck out KD's thread, and take a gander at that recipie. I meant my ph down was lemon juice (ha ha I get them mixed up...both lemonjuice and baking soda are crap i've found), but I'm going to get cider vinegar, now that you said that. That was a helpful tip and I don't remember it. I'm still repotting this time around, I want to use this mix and get things in order (so I don't mess up the super important ones I want to grow) or start the next try. I verily want to rep you, but alas I cannot so I bow down before thee instead.

I will test my mix before potting. That is something I hadn't thought of or done before-again der. I'll take your advice and try to go heavier on the seaweed/shirimp (no one else has talked about shrimp I wonder how it will do..ooh how exciting) What a day!

Thank you, thank you. I'll post pics later of the whole fiasco.

Stay tuned to see if Bree kills or saves her plants!!

Bree

Bree1978 · #41 (**permalink**) Apr-17-2007, 17:06

Here is the semi update! The new compost soil was a 'little' acidic (ie 6.0 or so). So I added about 1/2 tbs. lime per gallon of soil mixture, perhaps a little less. When I peeked at thier skivies, roots had miniscule growth. I had one that I would label 'good root growth'. This one also showed the lease ph probs and droopiness. That one is in the bin labeled Cee-cee. The others had some growth but not anything to write home about....tall and lanky of course coming in last place, with little to no root growth. The two that are younger- dark green cont. and medium blue hue small container -are doing well so far. I did NOT repot the dark green with Organic miracle-gro (I think that is the one that is the most sativa like, go figure that I like indicas!)healthy - Copy.JPG. I did repot the medium blue smallest bin, that one had not been repotted as of yet and showed twisted leaves but no other known def. That one thankfully looks very indica like.

Now, I'll sit and wait...

Bree

Edit: I did not find rhizome mixture, but references to it...have to search more later.