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Jerry Garcia 2007 · #1 (**permalink**) Dec-09-2007, 12:07

Well the time has arrived to start my next crop.

My intention this crop is to grow the best sisters of the first crop and get 2 or 3 good laidies from the THC Bomb seeds. I am going to have to thin this crop in the future so it is going to seem large at the start.
Thinning is going to be very hard for me due to I have never intentionlly killed a female plant. But the goal is keep the best.

Crop list:
9 clones from the first crop, one from each female. 5 White Widow, then 4 mystery seed that came with the W/W seeds from the seedbank, and 5 THCB from seed that I aquired from a friend of a fellow grower.

The first pic is the cloan box. All 9 first cloans have rooted and are in soil.

Second pic is cloan box with lid off. 6 of the clones are healthy and growing. 3 are alive but barely hanging in there.

Third pic is my clone and plant log for both grows. this is to track every plants qualities.

Fourth pic is of my cloans that are barely hanging on. This was my first attempt at cloaning and they weren't set in the rockwool cubes well.

The fifth pic are of my back up clones taken 2 days ago. 2 are from top performers in my first grow so I don't want to lose them.

I have more pics I am going to put them in another post.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #2 (**permalink**) Dec-09-2007, 12:44

Here are pics of the germination of the THCB seeds. Started with 8 seeds and 5 sprouted last night and were put in soil.

1st pic is of sprout 6 and went imeadiatly in soil. I used the paper towel and baggie method and placed it on my cable box for warmth. Germination took 32 hours for the first 5, 6th took 40 hours.

2nd pic is of how I labled each container for future identification.

3rd pic is my nursery closet. With a 175 watt MH lamp.

Next week I am going to get another 600 watt ballast. for my veg box.

I currently have a 600 watt flower box going with plants in their 3rd week of flowering.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #3 (**permalink**) Dec-10-2007, 19:29

I transplanted a few cloans today to 2 gallon buckets, they will remain in these containers for 4 weeks. this a step by step way that I do it.

PIC 1: I fill the buckets with soil 2/3 full I then place an empty container that I used for starting where I want to place the plant. ( I did mine on the side due to I plan on doing LST. Putting the plant on the side makes it easier to train the plant to go around the edges of the buckets). I then add more soil till to the top of the empty container.

PIC 2: I have packed the soil down and removed the container leaving a perfectly shaped hole for the plant.

PIC 3: This pic demonstrated when it is time to transplant

PIC 4: This pic showes the root growth inside the old container.

PIC 5: This pic is after I have dropped the plant into the perfectly sized hole and is ready for water.

The containers are then labeled for easily identified in the future.

I hope this is good information for all.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #4 (**permalink**) Dec-10-2007, 19:38

WTF

HERE IS A SECOND ATTEMPT

hydrocannabis · #5 (**permalink**) Dec-11-2007, 03:55

looks great.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #6 (**permalink**) Dec-13-2007, 22:04

Well I had good success again!!

Started with 8 seeds and 7 popped and 7 spouted of the THCB first coulple of pics are of them look healthy so far except like an idiot I fogot to put a fan on them until tonight. I like to keep my nodes nice and tight.

I did go a little crazy yesterday though. I read the FAQ on pruning and saw I did not prune my firs crop properly so had at and ended up with 43 new cloans from just the best plants of my first grow. They all came from the bottom of the plants where small branches were growing way under the canopy and would have never made it to anything but drain energy from the main buds.

I have to really think about what I do next with thease clones. The main reason I did it was had to prune, they had to be removed, I need experience at cloaning, I have the material to cloan. Sounds like a good oppertunity to learn. So walla

I am thinking of doing a true sog grow. I sow where oppi yutes did one " 50 cloans in rockwool"

Or anyone got any other ideas?

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #7 (**permalink**) Dec-14-2007, 12:48

Sorry got the squirls mixed up (the pic on both member posts) I ment Blink is running the log on "50 clones in rockwool"

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #8 (**permalink**) Dec-15-2007, 10:59

Well I ordered a 400w MH last night I need it bad. With my 175 the THCB sprouts are streaching like a MF even with a fan on them. Nothing like when I started my first grow. It may be the strain, but I am very worried, they are 3 inches tall and barely started the first set of 1 finger leaves, the stems are very weak. My first grow when they were 3" tall they were on their first set of 5 finger leaves. Guess that is the differance between 600watts and 175 watts. I know your going to ask the light is 8" from the tops of the sprouts.

I do have more seeds, if things don't improve I may just start over or just go with the cloans and what survives from these sprouts.

I will post pics tonight when I get a chance to check on them.

Shovelhandle · #9 (**permalink**) Dec-15-2007, 12:25

I don't know, I haven't had that problem with the stretch but I use much less light than that for new seedlings. I think that I would try moving them out of the light a little?

Shovelhandle

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #10 (**permalink**) Dec-15-2007, 13:14

Well my first crop were started under the 600 watt before they even popped out of the soil, so I don't think it is a too much light issue. I think I F'ed up by not putting a fan on them untill 2 days after popping up, when they were 1 1/2" tall, my first crop I had a fan blowing on them just as they were coming out of the soil.

I think I was a little over exagerating when I said I may toss them and start over. I will probably give them a little support with wooden skewers until the stems harden a bit and go from there.

I can't wait untill I get the new 400w MH light. The good thing is this crop is preventing me from over loving my flowering crop. I do LOVE WATCHING THEM GROW THOUGH.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #11 (**permalink**) Dec-16-2007, 00:11

Well here are the pics.

1st one is all of them in the nursery.

2nd is my solution to the weak stem. It comprises of an LST stake and a small paper binder. that will hold it up until the stem hardens a bit.

3rd is a deformed one don't know if it is going to make it. the first set of finger leaves are all currled up in side.

4th is a side view of one of the healthy ones.

5th is a pic of the rooted cloans. doing very well starting to notice growth daily.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #12 (**permalink**) Dec-16-2007, 18:44

Well got a lot done today.

First 2 pics are of 2 cloans that were ready to start LST. I use cut up coat hangers with one end bent like a fish hook.

3rd pic is of my modified bubbler cloaning box. I added a fish tank air pump and took the hose and a pin then punctued the hose about every inch and plugged the end of the hose. I then spread out the hose over the bottom of the water tray. I then added just enough water to cover the hose. Turn on the pump and produces a bunch of tiny bubbles. I also got a heating pad from the drug store for $13.00 and put that under the water tray. I set it to the lowest setting and keeps it around 85 deg. I then added 2-27 watt cfl's at both ends shining to the middle.
I hope this is a good set up for now. Please let me know if I am doing something wrong.

4th pic is of the results of leaving the door open and leaving for a second only to return and find your dog thought (hmmmm looks like grass lets taste it.) Yes my dog ate 3 sprouts. So whent to back up plan. put 4 more seeds in a towel so they will only be 5 days behind not much.

5th pic is my new nursery design, got the cloan box out it has its own area now. Added a T-12 shop light and 6500 k daylight bulbs placed it so it is 1" above the top of the sprouts this should stop the streching.

Oh yeh, yes my dog is still alive, dogs will be dogs. She is just banned from the growroom.

hydrocannabis · #13 (**permalink**) Dec-17-2007, 08:48

looks great brosky.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #14 (**permalink**) Dec-21-2007, 10:55

Here is an update and pics. Sorry for the lines but that is caused by the florells.

1st pic is one of the better cloans that has been LST'ed for I think 6 days. you can see how the side shoots are starting to really grow out that one is already 2'' long.

2nd & 3rd pic is of all the cloans they are all growing well and under LST except for one that is slow starter but starting to show good growth.

4th pic is of a cloan
trying to capture the the growth of the side shoots. All these all will turn into main colas.

5th pic is of the 3 THCB sprouts and one cloan that is just starting to look promising. I hope it pulls thru, it is from one of my best producers in my first grow.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #15 (**permalink**) Dec-26-2007, 23:14

Well it has been a few days and things are going well except for one.

1st pic is an overhead view of them in there home for now untill I build my veg box in the next coulple days. I did get my 400w MH the other day and put it up right away so far so good in the closet temp wise, I leave the door cracked a few inches.

2nd pic is of the one cloan that is from what Image Reaper says is light stressed doesn't even look like a MJ plant except I am seeing new growth at some nodes that looks normal for now , very tiny growth. Anyone have luck bringing a girl back to health from this point, because her mommy is very very very pretty.

3rd and 4th pic is showing the new shoots coming from the nodes from LST

5th is a great close up of the new growth from the nodes every one of them is going to be a very nice cola.

More pics are coming!!!

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #16 (**permalink**) Dec-26-2007, 23:38

More pics,

1st and 2nd pic are of the THCB plants from seed one runt that had a bad start is growing well now plus one new sprout I started due to the dog incident.

3rd pic is of the cloans mommies, looking heavy and more than 3 weeks to go, starting to smell lovely too.

4th and 5th pic are of the clones that have rooted and were taken when I pruned the mommys 2 weeks into flower. 16 so far out of 43 more have started rooting ran out of contaners get more tomarrow.

well that is about it got to go.

SmokeStack2 · #17 (**permalink**) Dec-26-2007, 23:58

Wow looking good, you sure can grow some plants.

hydrocannabis · #18 (**permalink**) Dec-27-2007, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeStack2

Wow looking good, you sure can grow some plants.

I 2ed that.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #19 (**permalink**) Dec-27-2007, 08:05

Thanks Smokestack and Hydro.

Hard to believe this all started from 15 seeds ( except for the THCB plants just wanted to add a new strain to the mix )

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #20 (**permalink**) Dec-29-2007, 09:48

Well getting toward the final set up for my grow room.
Here are some pics.

1st pic:
Is my new nursery cabinet. 2'w x 4'l x 2'h, two 4' ,t-12, 2 bulb 6100k lamps. Used 4'x8' sheets of white boards in the construction of all boxes.

2nd pic:
Is my flower box, 4'x4'x7' 600w HPS, 2- 4'' inline fans with charchol can filters, outside air cooling.

3rd pic:
Is the nursery box with top off, as you can see this will accomidate a lot so it will serve as first stage veg box as well. Also almost all my cloans have rooted this is going to be a massive grow!

4th pic:
Is a veiw inside my veg box 3'x3'x3', 400w Mh, no ventaltion yet, using natural convection for the moment. cloans are coming along nicely. Flushed them yesterday, seem to have loved it.

5th Pic:
Is the exterior of the veg box.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #21 (**permalink**) Dec-29-2007, 10:33

One other thing watering before last on veging cloans and thcb seeds used my mollases mix didn't seem to like it so much. That is part of the reason for flush. I -flushed with water, hydogen peroxide and ph down, watering ph was 5, soil ph was close to 8, after flush soil ph dropped to 6.5 today they are a lush green except for seedlings. Seedlings are still lighter green but responding well to the flush. I didn't incorperate mollases in my first grow untill flowering and they responded great to it because I did not learn about it till then in the FAQ section and it was recommended for veg and flower up until the last week of flower. Now I am under the impresion I started it to early while they are in new soil and still to sensitive, so I am goin to cut mollasses out until later in veg cycle when the plants have started to use up the naturally occuring sugars in the new soil. " learning experience".

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #22 (**permalink**) Dec-30-2007, 10:01

Wow!!!

Get plants into a good enviroment they let you know quick. Since flushing and and new box the plants responded by turning a dark forest green and puting out new shoots, they are responding with rapid growth finally.

As for the smaller cloans in the nursury box all have turned a dark green also no more yellow they have started to absorb the nuted from the soil. A sure sign they are rooting and able to take in nutriants

no new growth yet but that is comming

I am still wondering how I am going to flower 36 plants in a 4x4 space. That leaves an 8"x8" space for each plant. I am thinking along the lines of 8 rubbermaid tubs with 5 to 6 plant each in them.

Any Ideas

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #23 (**permalink**) Jan-05-2008, 13:43

Well harvested my first 2 plants from the first grow so now I have space and this is the first cloan to go in the flower box.

The other cloans are not far behind all are growing extremely fast. They respond to LST in hours like nothing happened, in other words extremely healthy.

The THCB plants are growing very well also they will be ready in about 2 weeks.

The timing of this grow and my first couldn't be more perfect.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #24 (**permalink**) Jan-15-2008, 18:35

Well it has been awhile since I updated this log. All the cloanes are in the flowering box

It is very tight in there now but looking very nice.
2 cloans have been in there for a week and 5 others were put in there 3 days ago.

They have been veging for 6 weeks. They are at least 2x the size of their moma's at this age.

I am going to start with pics of the moma's next to their twin sisters. There are a lot of pic so this is going to be multiple posts.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #25 (**permalink**) Jan-15-2008, 18:46

Some more pics.

These are individual pics of each cloan. ( top and side view ) last pic top view will be in next post.

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