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I never SEE anything on the leaves but now am thinking that a lot of the wilting is soggines. What EXACTLY does make the cuttings wilt? Too dry or too wet?
I read your DD cloning. One of my issues is my plants stay so damn short during veg....it seems if I cut something I get an inch of stem or something to start with. I have some RR's I can try it with but again.....only flowering plants to take cuttingss from right now.
Most of my stems go brown and mushy after a few days....fyi.....
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well stinky adressed it all i guess...lol, i dont keep clonex, i get a new bottle every time i do cuttings, maybe twice at the most. dont know opie...maybe thats why i do good with the gel?...havent tried a powder yet, clonex was always fine for me...
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Yes, great point about the Clonex......it never occurred to me at all. I believe its close to a year and a half old.....
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I never SEE anything on the leaves but now am thinking that a lot of the wilting is soggines. What EXACTLY does make the cuttings wilt? Too dry or too wet?
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When a plant wilts, it is because water loss through transpiration is more rapid than water uptake through roots or even stomata.
So the simple answer is: Too dry.
But that does not address other reasons that the plant cannot uptake water. Simply saying 'too dry' only assumes the LOSS part is to blame, but the GAIN part is equally important. Blocked stomata are a double-edged sword... you can slow loss, but you also prevent gain. Rot in the stem, or crushed vascular tissue from a dull blade or scissors, also prevent water gain.
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I read your DD cloning. One of my issues is my plants stay so damn short during veg....it seems if I cut something I get an inch of stem or something to start with.
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Cut more nodes then. You can take a dozen nodes, and strip half of them, on a plant that throws 1cm internodes!!!
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Your clonex has gone bad and you have rot. You need a fungicide, and you need to STERILIZE your bubbler before using it again, or use those awesome RR plugs that are inoculated at the factory with BENEFICIAL bacteria- I believe it's B. subtilis, like in Serenade. It might be thurengensis though, I'm not certain.
I went through all this myself, tried all the methods- bubbler, EZCLone, perlite, peat pucks, rockwool, wick cloner, dipping in wiltpruf, spraying with everything imaginable, you name it- right down to the spoiled clonex, before listening to Rhizome and getting back to basics. |
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Rhizome who? 
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That's funny.
I went through it all too. You have too much moisture in your dome and you are not letting your cuttings suck up moisture when you use a gel. You should be using a dome as little as possible for several reasons. It helps them harden to not have a dome. A dome increases chance of rot and mold and squishy stems. Then if you spray an antifungal in there, you are putting in more moisture. I suggested actual neoprene clone holders that have a slit in them to hold the clone. That would stop your solution from splashing up into your dome area.
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Ok.....Think I have it down.....Mr Hound got the Dip n Grow but forgot the powder so I'm going with that for now. The bubbler is being disinfected with 35% H202 as we speak. And speaking of....anyone used a touch of H202 in the bubbler along with the clonex solution?
The gel went into the trash. The one "clone-ish" thing I had went into some dirt (well...actually Fox Farm soil with extra perlite (Rock....  ) under some room light and if she does ok then great. I have some RR's so I'm going to try that route. I'm also going to spray the Anti Stress just on the top of the leaves vs dipping the cutting into them to see if that helps since both Stinky and Opie mentioned the stomata and I forgot about them buggers...
Wish me (and them ) luck......
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Good Luck, Weedhound!
I'm reading carefully as I'm not so adept at taking cuttings but I plan on doing some more trials in a few weeks.
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Good Luck, Weedhound!
I'm reading carefully as I'm not so adept at taking cuttings but I plan on doing some more trials in a few weeks.
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Thanks Shov and Hennessey! I'll have a pic in a few...am running out of cuttings to play with but managed to get two. I'll get a photo. 
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Dutch Dragon cutting in Fox Farm soil....(enough perlite Rock? )
2 White Berry cuttings (taken at 13 days into flower) placed in dip n grow, scarified, RE-DIPPED in dip n grow, leaves clipped to one inch, sprayed with anti-stress (top of leaves only) placed in rapid rooters with new holes cut in the bottom and placed in dome (misted). One q.....am I supposed to water the rapid rooters or is there anything I missed or should know?
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Ya wanna pretty much keep the RRs @ the moisture level they were in the bag.
Put one aside and watch how it dries up- kinda hard to describe. If they get too dry, they're suddenly hydrophobic, but till then they take water really nicely. Watch out for too wet- well before saturation.
All depends on conditions, around the RR as well as the plant. Heating pad will accellerate drying, high humidity around RR will delay- yer gonna have to f%^k with it.
Ya might want to try taking a bunch of cuttings of your house plants, just too practice. It's all pretty much the same, and they make great gifts.
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House plants....that's funny.....with my creatures you pretty much have to beat them off anything that may have once been edible with a stick. I've just discovered that the only reason they don't touch the hydro seedlings is because......well....it's hydro.....
Rhiz make sure you check out my Redwood Tree log when you get a chance. Beans are in setup....pics manana. 
Thanks for RR info....
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Hey Stinky, thanks for the tip on wilting...cause/effect. My new clones started to wilt a bit last night and I was able to to pin it to the light being too close.....before I just would have misted them more and wondered what the problem was....thanks.
They look good so far this am! 
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Photos....
The mutt and jeff combo are White Berry and White Widow.....in that order....at 15 days flowering (or close to.....).
Dutch Dragon, Day 43 Flower. I had been wondering if this plant had been slowing down with the flowering but I just read on the breeders website that she's a 9-10 week finisher, a "massive" yielder (which I don't think she will be here due to "root constraints") and is 75% sativa. Considering that 10 weeks really isn't bad and with that in mind I don't think she's having any issues with slowing down (knock on wood....)
She's just starting to "fill in" her buds but has some very nice frost going already.....and has had some for awhile now.
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Well I must say that so far cloning in the rapid rooters beats the bubbler thing hands down....thanks you guys.
The clones have stayed perky this time instead of wilting, less fungus worries because everything isn't so wet, no checking and adjusting the ph several times a day. So far I have two whiteberry clones and they both still look quite happy. Amazing!!
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awesome...glad the cloning went good...still using gel, or did you try the powder opie was talking ab out?
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