thanks for the reply rusty!

when i said leave the main cola I meant starting fresh from a clone, and letting it grow about a foot in veg and then bonsai the secondary shoots, leaving just the main, primary shoot.

sorry for the confusion!

This is a thread about bonsai techniques...not cloning. They are two separate techniques having virtually nothing to do with each other.
For cloning help, click this: Simple nOOb instructions for growin' da dankness
and scroll down to post #10. If help is still needed beyond that...please start your own thread.

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I never said I needed help cloning... Your thread says bonsai downsizing.. I want to downsize my plants by bonsai'ing the secondary shoots and leaving the main stem alone. do you think I could create a single cola plant by bonsai'ing all the shoots coming off the main stem

i am starting fresh with clones, vegging for about a month, then wanting to shape my plants by bonsai'ing all the secondary nodes

Are you growing for an ornamental purpose, or to smoke?
No, IMHO, not a good idea. You'll likely want to remove as much of the bud as possible to convince her it's spring and so she doesn't fight this sudden and dramatic change (and root tampering) with residual fall (flowering) hormones. As I don't do it that way on purpose, you're welcome to try tho, lol.
The quantity of new shoots on a re-veg varies, but saying you'll get a shitload is fair. Those are cloneable.

As far as bonsai training for the growing shoots, the more you trim, the shorter they tend to grow and the more compact the results. With a sativa dom, you may get away with it. But on a squat indica it may restrict secondary growth a bit much.

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Thanks for sharing Rusty. Your thread and the one titled "mums" has made me very interested in cutting back many of my moms.

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Thanks Opie...For me, this is a great technique. Not one I'll discard any time soon.

The versatility of the downsized re-veg is phenominal, and the ladies love the fresh soil, fresh nutes...Likely not too appreciative of the pedicure and haircut, but thet recover very quickly.
If I had to set-up another small veg room just for the bonsai's, I'd do it. But right now, I am doing fewer seedlings and clones than was necessary before.

I did discover something...but not too sure I know what the implications are...
Early July I had a Shishkaberry on it's second re-veg, and I stressed her a bit with an aspirin tea, (aspirin stressing to promote nanners) Once I got enough pollen, I cut the lady back, trimmed the roots and downsized. I wanted to see what happens when you re-veg a forced hermie.

Any guesses how the (forced hermie) Shishkaberry reacted to re-veg and re-flower?
Well...I kept a close eye on her throughout the flowering process. I just harvested her, and de-constructed (cleaned) the buds. No nanners and not one seed. This is not scientific, and I am not telling anyone out there to try this, but it is an interesting development worth (my) trying again with a couple of different strains and a camera.

Have noticed on the normally studly Shishkaberry (sativa dominant) that after re-veg, the branches are thinner than normal, and do need bamboo stakes to support the budweight.

For the most part tho, all the strains I've tried have worked fine. My Potent Purple and my Swazi (both sat's) are fine with the re-vegging process, as are my indica's and indica doms.

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great thrread keep up the good work....

ya rusty this thread is bomb... you should post the pictures of the diesel plants in flowering stage.

Hey Rusty your thread here inspired my first bonsai ! Shes doing good now , took a while to vedge again butg guess I left to many buds on her....

Anyways shes growing into this amazing little bush now with new shoots everywhere. I was thinking of taking a bunch of clones off of her, sticking her in a vedge chamber, and proceding to flower the clones sog style.

BUT now after seeing this amazing new growth, Im tempted to take a FEW clones ...and the flower MOM in a scrog.

Would save at least a week of rooting/clone vedge time I think...

Anyways..how many times have you flowered/chopped/reveged/flowered/ect a single plant...Im just amazed by how resilient our wonderful plnat is !

Great to hear other's having success, too. Truly warms my heart. Was a technique I read about somewhere, and fell in love with. I was equally impressed with the ammount of new growth.

The most I've done is 7 complete harvests, (twas an indica dom.) and shitloads of clones over that period. I got bored with the same strain all the time, and made room for another. With sativa doms, I've only gone a few complete harvests. Time to finish, and stretching are issues I'm seeking remedies for. Likely a sat dom would be great for sog training during/after re-veg, tho.

Always pick the best performer, with the best attributes of your strain, not just the first one available, lol.

I found that after trimming roots, and re-potting with fresh soil, if I do a mini-flush (equal to volume of pot) and on the last half gallon or so I add 1/2 dilution of humic acid (Soil Syrup) the roots go apeshit, which hastens her new growth.

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I am going to crop today, and give the re-veg a try on the 40 i have now. i have lots of room so should be interesting as hell.
Will post after cutting today.

I had the worst spider mite problem I ever seen, just devistated my crop, and i tried everything including a preditor mites but could not control them at all.

Anyway good idea and good Grow. Thanks

Sully

Good luck with 'em. You won't be disappointed, I'm sure.

Will you have room for 40 plants in flower...or after transplant? If not, could you continue with veg for half of 'em and flower the other half? But it could become a headroom issue in veg, and requires seperate veg and flower rooms.

p.s. It's not my technique, but I do love the results.

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thanks for sharing the info Rusty..im gonna try it as well after harvesting pp. should i start off with no grow neuts for a few weeks just like normal too let her re veg a bit..

After I chop, dunk and flush...I resume a normal feeding schedule of a half weekly dose, twice a week. (Monday's and Thursdays for me) They do just fine, but of course keep an eye on 'em.
I would not recommend full doses (one weeks worth at a time) of nutes till re-established.

I always give half nutes twice a week as a rule from teen-ager to harvest. Less stress in my heat-stressed enviornment, and seems to keep 'em on an even keel.

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hay rusty,would you get a decent yeild if you re vegged for a month then flowered it..and can it be done on L.S.Td stems where there bent in weird shapes..

Yes to the first question, but you might want to veg a tad longer if you want taller growth. They tend to stretch half as much, but yield is still there via the multiple growing tips. (cola's)

As to the second question...if there is adequate leafage to promote photosyntheses and growth, it doesn't matter what shape the branches form. Will end-up shorter, fatter and likely pretty stinky anyway, lol.

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good to hear that rusty..ill by trying this method..it make so much sense to recycle the plant...

Nice rusty after looking at a massive range of ideas to 'keep on growing'
cos i cant get another clone and cant afford to buy seeds, so your bonsai method looks to me to be the best idea for me, cos i still get 95% of the crop whilst still being able to regrow.

Mmmm lovely.
Cheers

Thanks again Rusty for the tips.have a power plant re vegging at the moment.followed your advice and after a shakey start its starting to flourish. some of the leaves are a bit fucked up but thats life.

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Regarding the weirded-out growth...I believe it's the plant's way of saying "what the f*** was that...?" Normal growth resumes shortly, with proper nutes and light.

Good job. (two thumbs up)

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cheers man.its re vegging all the way for me now.saves all the bother with clones.

Curious...how small is that pot? After she's re-established, you'll need to transplant again to avoid a rootbound condition. Is that the true color of the plant, or are the lights yellowing it out a bit?

I let my mom's grow-out a cycle or two, pulling clones off when needed. Keeps her short, otherwise they'd overgrow my veg closet.

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Lol...Okey dokey.

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You da best Rusty. A mate of mine kept insisting it was possible to reveg but I was always skeptikal! But I have a bubblegum that is 3 days away from the chop and I didn't get any clones offa her(She is a clone!) and now that I tested some of her bud she's even better than her predesessor, I must have put more care into her grow!

Now that I have read this I have a glimmer of hope she is totally going to be Bonzai'd!!!

Thanks man much appreciated the post!