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Stealth,

I have been watching your log from the get go and just wanted to say your doing a great job. Since stretching seemed to be one of the main issues it looks like youve dodged that bullet very well. Ive been trying to learn a lot of information pertaining to LED's and their effectiveness in growing marijuana and this log has helped a lot.

Keep it up bro!

dodo

Ok, so I'm new to this thread. New to the forum, new to growing so I'll just introduce myself and give my two, maybe three cents.

Right now Im on my second grow, first isnt quite done but the second is well underway!!! My setup includes 250 Mh and 200W of T5 and a sep room with a 400 Hps. Currently I'm running over a dozen strains of genetics that are being cloned in a aero cloner. Only in my wildest dreams had I ever imagined I would have such a setup but I was very fortunate to get connected with some very talented growers who gave me all the genetics and have provided much appreciated mentoring.

Living in the northwest can get fucking cold!! I have to run two 1000 W heaters 24 hours a day just to keep my soil from freezing. Calculating it all out I spend like 70-90 bucks a month for this shit!! There must be a better way. There is a better way... L.E.D.'s !!! Duhn duh da daa!

Within the next month I plan to be converting to a full led setup. Hot, big, bright, expensive ass ligts, I don't think so. Not in my house. Not any more.

So, like many of you I have been researching the subject like crazy and feel like Im finally beginning to get a grasp on it. I have found a few LED manufacturers who produce LED in practically ANY wave length from mid 200's up through the 700 nm range. They also manufacture tons of different styles of bulbs, 5mm's 10mm 20mm!~! all different shapes, high outputs... whatever, they make it.

I haven't decided exactly what my LED renovation will consist of but I will have 430 nm ultra blue combined with 450-470 nm blue with a tad of 640 reds veging my plant. As with all artificial lighting there are downfalls and if LED has any they seem to be in flowering. Penetration seems to be the biggest issue LED growers have when flowering there plants so with excessive lighting I will resolve this. 50 watts of 650 nm reds combined with 50 watts of slightly higher 680 red. A tad of 465 nm blues and maybe even those T5's and I think Im covered. I was also thinking about rope light. Stringing LED rope light made with 650 nm lights in something like a tic tac toe pattern or grid thats low enough for the plants to grow up through..??? Could work. It would solve the issue of insignificant light penetration. I understand that sometimes plants leaves act kinda funny when they come into contact with LED's, twisting around and such, but that it isnt harmful to the plant, just a reaction to the over abundance of light. They dont know which way is up because the light seems to come from all directions.

Ok, thats quite enough. I'll probably start another thread just like this as soon as my LED's come.
Great thread though,
Later.

That's because LED grow light manufacturers put only two colors in their arrays. WRONG. Plants need all the spectrum, and green will help enormously with penetration.

Oh yeah, Hello and welcome. Nice to have you along and looking real forward to seeing your set up. Personally, I would make your own arrays, or have someone custom make them, or wait about 3 years for LEDs. There is soooo much manufactures are leaving out of their arrays at this point. Sure they grow weed, but for that price they should do a much better job.

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Everything I say in this forum is completely true, and should be construed as fact. I do smoke weed, and sometimes I eat it. Not only that I sell it, along with every other drug known to man and a few that aren't. Everything I do is 100% illegal, and I condone others breaking the law. All pictures that I post are not taken from the internet, but are of my own illegal operation. Also, I speed and don't come to complete stops at stop signs.

Thanks for the welcome. I was actually planning on making my own arrays, most liking using those higher intensity bulbs. About the green light you recommend for penetration... any more insight as to why it is more effective? Also I have read that supplimenting your plants with green light is useless. Plants are green, they are green because they reflect green light not absorb it. Thats my understanding but of course I could be wrong. Any thoughts? Also, the lighted grid idea. Pointless, or potential?

Green light has many more uses than to bounce off plants. Every color of the spectrum has uses. (Not all 16 billion or whatever, but I think you know what I mean.) Green light is what penetrates the canopy. Without it only unshaded leaves and buds will be getting much, if any light. So I suppose if you are doing a lollipop-type grow, you wouldn't really need green. For all of us others, it would be beneficial. Besides, it helps the plants look like they should too (green not purple).

I used to believe the myth that green light does nothing, just because that's what everyone said. Well once I started reading actual things about botany and not just a weed forum, I started actually learning something about what plants need.

I think the grid idea seems like a good idea if you use a whole bunch of ropes. I don't think those normally have high power LEDs in them. Also, I would want some way to either raise and lower the plants or the rope grid, so it could stay near the top.

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Everything I say in this forum is completely true, and should be construed as fact. I do smoke weed, and sometimes I eat it. Not only that I sell it, along with every other drug known to man and a few that aren't. Everything I do is 100% illegal, and I condone others breaking the law. All pictures that I post are not taken from the internet, but are of my own illegal operation. Also, I speed and don't come to complete stops at stop signs.

okie dokie...update.... pic 3 is the mutant plant that keeps sprouting 3 leaves at each node instead of 2. the first two pics are our test plant thats been in most of the pics... this thing is only 9 in tall? its putting all its energy it seems into side branches and lateral growth...you guys think i should go bush with them? opie, WH? help...lol Im supposed to flower in 12 days...think Im being paranoid? 13 days...maybe 15 in tall then? but with 4-5 branches already...I topped 2 of them, to see what would happen....we shall see... other than the growth pattern, they look healthy as hell to me...they stink already too...mmmm love the jack herer...raised the lights yesterday, so maybe we will get more vert growth....bong

whiskeytango

thanks dodo

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im gonna follow this thread....nice idea, props for experimentation, the plants look beautiful

had to rip 3out today...(sniff)...lookin sicky, had a wierd coloring going on...light fuzzy green...bacteria my guess, so i got em out and flushed the others so it didnt spread....Ima go smoke in sorrow......

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damn that sucks. how many were there?

23....now we are down to 20, in 15 pots.....got some doubled up, when i sex them, i would rather cut one out of a pot, than lose a whole pot....should be ready to flower in 10 days-ish. what do you guys think is causing the low vert growth, but mad side growth? having a temp problem for nite time, its about 77 daytime and 70-72 nighttime...having trouble getting night colder, there has been a cold front here in FL, and the A/C aint kickin on.....

whiskeytango

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SnSsteath, Plant''s look great!! Good and tight node's, What is that one, 6 or 7 in 2"? How many SQ.FT are you getting coverage for 1 light? Look's Great , I feel your project is running weel! and are headed for great result's. Later

i can't wait for you to start flowering! !

Yes Opie, I'm right there with you on the Wave's, Even some-point's not that big of % but are needed for good health.

Those are the exact wavelength's I'm tring to work with, and blend the correspondent voltage. Great Work, Great Chart!

(Did you get my e-mail I sent-you?). Later

I Like The Good side growth, I need to set my plinom baffle, I looked in one of my chamber's and it is getting down to 63-65, and some are stretching? daytime 78-83.

I wonder if the nown vert. growth, from lack of High Intinsity flood? And in your colour more mellow soak array? Witch I think is a good thing not bad. AnyWay Thumb's up looking good!!. Later

are the LED lights expensive? how hard are they to work with?

k, stealth, i've got a few simple questions that i know you got the answers to

1)in your opinions and experiences, what's the smallest space could the procyon fit into without overheating
the enclosure
2)how much did indooragriculture charge you for shipping
3)how fast was shipping and the quality of the delivery package

the 2 easy ones first
2) $22 flat rate ground fedex, had other faster options but due to sending 3 were hundreds$$
3) I talked to the guy at IA (i know obsess much...lol) he got em in on thur. shipped fri. arrived wed. high quality package in plastic bag w/ foam peanuts in box. I think the most danger they were in was my nervous hand w/ the knife opening the box

and 1) i'd say at least 2'x2'w/ good upward venting. the fan on top runs about 15-20 cfm off the top and cools it ok. you can put your hand flat on the glass after long run times and its just warm. just have enough height for 16" plus above plants as any closer seems to slow growth. a good constant flow of 2° cooler than the wanted temp. seems to work for us as long as the a/c kicks in on a regular basis

dank they hang easily as they're weighted well w/ two hook points in the middle. ohh.. and.. ahh they're ...$600

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