LEDs generally have a more focused beam than regular lights. I would think that would allow you to have them farther from the plants. That could be good because then you could fit more of them, a lot more of them. Im envisioning a small circular room where the walls emit light from every point.

Actually, you want them close to the plants, since the amount of light greatly decreases as you move them back, even more than other lights. As far as a more focused beam, you can find LED's in 15 to 180 degree beams. Maybe even more by now I don't know. Some are more focused, some aren't. You are going to need to encase a plant in LED arrays to get any kind of decent yield. I'm thinking close and wide beams, not far and narrow beams.

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hes right. if the lights are 2X further away, 1/4 the light reaches/hits the plant (Inverse square law)

on the tomato experiment with the procyon on greenpinelane, sfortier kept his around 24 in from the tops, im at about 20, dont seem to be stretching bad....will have new pics up sun...gonna do pics once a week till i have enough posts on here...lol..i can take pics if anyone wants something specific....pic of the LED array or whatever...thanks for stopping in guys...

whiskeytango
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Paving the way for new indoor grows all around the world! Good luck stealth ill be watching close

Me too. I hope you do good. I would love to switch to an all LED grow.

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alright guys....these pics are one week old sprouts. lookin good so far, had a few stretching a little bit, but just moved some pots around and they are fine.....

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yay....looks like i have graduated to not using photobucket.....lol...babies lookin good so far, had lil stretch scare on a few, but just moved plats around and they are fine.last night i started adding fox farm big bloom.

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Excuse me if this has been answered, but where exactly are these plants being grown? in a custom made box? do these LEDs cover up to a 10 x 10 area each?

well any pic without the led's on...crappy pix...

the plants are in a 2x8x10 closet. lined it in mylar. yea, HGL says each light covers 10x10, but we are using 3 of them. and sorry about the pics, but im trying to preserve the integrity of a pure LED grow. dont want them to touch white light. ill try differant light settings on the camera. its a 8.1megapixel cybershot. any ideas on getting a better pic let me know. And to weedhound, cmasfca, opie and rock, my bad about the forum ettiquite, ill get it down. thanks for the interest in the grow guys, ill keep updates current. if anyone wants to know red/blue ratios, or Nm, layouts, whatever, ill let ya know. $600 is hella lot for a light, so hopefully i can answer any questions before someone wants to get one.

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I'm guessing you'll be able to at least see whats in the pics once the plants get bigger. Those babies are still, well, babies and are tiny. Hope to see this entire log, all the way to the END. Keep us posted !!!!

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looks good stealth, ill be watching as i too am very interested in the led growing lights. Do they each have their own reflector?

no worries dude, 'learning curve', i'll give ya a pass

and I'll shuffle ur Q over here, and answer it.

when to train? basically, when tall enough. prolly 4-8 nodes, depending on growth.
should u top? thats a personal call, it will theoretically add 2 weeks to ur cycle, 1 week repair, i week recovery to point u were at b4 the cut. thats not nesesarily a bad thing, just a thing to consider.
also, its a question of strain, grow characteristics, and ur space.
i would say if ur gonna go LST or Scrog, u would want to top once or twice, but, im no expert. Topping will help them stay lower and bushier.

I've reviewed ur setup and log and am confused.
These r babies dude, why r u using bloom nutes?
again, i'm no expert, BUT u need veg nutes first.
I'm not familiar with this strain, and certainly no idea how these funky lites will effect your grow, but, i would think u need about 5-7 weeks dedicated to the veg cycle b4 u start pushing them to bloom.


and to be candid, these pix suck man,,,,welll,,,,unless i was trippin.
dont be so crazy bout "no white lite".
get us some decent pics so we can see whats goin on.
There was better lighting in the pix from the Mars lander
a 2 minute change in lighting (especially this early in veg stage) is no big deal, really


as to how to assemble the scrog, I am a total novice and only experimenting myself.
if u have the area to install it semi permanent, i would do it something like Opie or MVP are doing it.
but, here's another consideration to keep in mind.
these LEDs ur pimpin are a serious wild-card in my book. u may be one of the first to try it. i havent seen em. (personally, considering cost, i woulda 'passed' and spent that kinda coin on something proven, but thats just me)
Now, considering the LEDs r an unknown factor, I would do a couple la-naturale, and a couple LST. Why LST? IMHO thats a bit easier to manage and shuffle the pots in ur type of a setup. Again, thats just my opinion, i got a belly button too

either way, those babies need WEEKS of growth b4 u think about doin anything like manipulating their growth.

ok, that should give ya somethin to gnaw on for a while


btw- i aint hatin on ya n ur lites. sometimes its just easier to say it straight, rather than sugar-coating my thoughts.
long as u aint wearin a man-skirt, we should be cool

keep goin n keep us updated.

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I've never seen a pink grow before.....

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Red + Blue = Purple silly!

Keep us updated Stealth, I'm interested in this

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You might be able to set the whitebalance in your cam. You have to use a white sheet of paper (or better slightly grey, but white will do) and take a reference picture for the camera of it under the pink light. The camera alters the colors accordingly, but the plants would still look dark, since there is no green in the spectrum

good idea rock,ill take a few babies out for pics.., as far as the nutes go...i got the 6 nute set from fox farm, using their soil too. they call for nutes at week one. its not for flowering, you got me as to why the call it big bloom, lol, but its for veg. tiger bloom is for starting flowering. just following their feeding chart man.lol. i have a buddy who used their line and had amazing results. and no man skirt here, lol...i wouldnt be on this site if i knew everything and had a sandy vagina....heh...im just trying to be the guy to let everyone know if these LEDs will change our growing habits. initial investment was kinda harsh, but will pay for itself after a harvest or two...the entire room only raised 3 degrees! and the room only pulls 450w..lights fans ozone and all. so either im out a BIT of money, or we will see a revolutionary grow...one of the two...lol
so i guess the grow intgrity will be fine for 2 min a week to pull one out for pics, or i may put a few regular bulbs in the room for photo sake. just turn em on for that. ill take some more pics when the lights come on and post em. heres a link for those nutes rock
http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf

thanks for the help and comments guys,
and gal, (weedhound)
whiskeytango

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ok, reason i assumed those are 'bloom' nutes?
i also use FoxFarms.
"Grow Big" in veg stage
"Big Bloom" in flwr. stage
so, the wording had me baffled. if its designed for veg, have at it.

as to your lighting and pix, a suggestion,,,
just a suggestion....

get 1x 26/100W (blue/daylighter) CFL, mount it in your grow area.
when u want to take pix, switch cfl ON, the LEDs OFF.
take your pix and reverse ur lighting back.

it'll get to be a PITA to be shufflin pots in n out just for pix.
plus, less chance of stressin em, if u move them less.
During the veg stage especially, they can definately take a decent level of abuse, but once u go to flwr, handle with care.

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hey man, i looked at that chart, same one i lost months ago.

here's my thinkin, FWIW

gotta go by the Nute levels. N-P-K

Grow Big (says right on bottle "for lush vegetative growth") and is 6-4-4 (strong N for veg)

Big Bloom is 0.01-0.3-0.7 and u do use more of this per dose than the Grow Big. (nearly no N)

thats my story and im stickin to it.

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SnS, many people think it's wise to use a little bloom nutes during seedling growth. I do just fine without it at this point, but I'm using a 1 part granular mix that's supposed to have everything needed. I add some stuff though, CalMag and SuperThrive mainly, but they don't want hardly anything in their first 2 weeks except a little B1 of your choice.

A couple photo hints. Take your camera off Automatic mode and put it on Program. You should be able to force flash, providing you've popped up the flash thing. No matter what light is on it will make the plants green, mostly. Also you could take photos when the lights go out without a problem, and use a fluoro for lighting, or flash or both. Regardless of what people tell you, this will not make your plants turn hermie. Especially if you do it right after or before the lights are on. The plants are not so chronographically inclined that they would know the difference between 12 hours or 12 hours and 5 minutes of light. I've worked in my closet for hours at a time after lights out. Many times. No problems yet. It's good to see the purple LED color or actual color of any lighting system, but you ought to put in at least a couple photos of what the plants actually look like. It's kinda hard to tell when they are purple all over. If you do so, we still will consider it an all LED grow. Flash from photos does not count.

I am interested in what and how many nm the LEDs are in your lights. I would be surprised if there is more than 1 blue and 1 red, and I think LED lighting needs more than two if it's going to be as efficient as possible.

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ill try the flash here in a few min and see if that works. i just didnt wanna hear anyone say it wasnt a true LED grow. and i thought i was following the chart, big bloom week 1, 2tbl per gal. just started the grow big last night.gimme a few min, and ill be back to post those pics

opie, ill have those specs for ya in the next post with the pics

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Cool, and I would just keep following the chart. I think that should do wonderfully. I've always wanted to stick to the Fox Farm chart but I just didn't want to spend all that money. I think if you are successful I may try it, since I pretty much have all their stuff now, at least for hydro.

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yeah man, my other grows worked GREAT following their schedule, and since i spent DOUGH on this grow....lol...it better work, i got all six soil nutes from fox farm, 7 bags of fox farm ocean forrest, and the beige pots i am testing roots organic soil. i figure if im gonna go out on a limb and do a grow like this, might as well go all out. didnt hurt that previous harvests paid for this set up....lol
ok one pic is out of the room
others with flash, ill try the construction paper behind them next. them if that doesnt work, we'll just put an incandescent blyb in there somewhere....do these look on time? they sprouted 7 days ago...stretching a lil?...first set of 5 leaves are starting out

thanks guys
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tried to edit to late i guess

oh and opie, 56 CREE* Xlamp high power LEDs 40 red 635nm, 16 blue 470nm, and im getting 4-5k lumens at eh base of all the pots. i know the lumen output is not rated the same as hid. more on that later

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