dont worry bonzo, been working alot and that post will take alot to do. Im off tommorrow morn so ill try to get it done then.

Db

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I must be in the bizaro universe then because i looked through it 3 times and its definitely not in the high times i saw, lol. My guess is that the newsstand issue at barnes & nobles is the april issue since the march issues of magazines usually come out a month earlier then the cover date. Shame i didn't notice the month.

okie...here are some pics...first 2 are one phenotype of the strain going TALL and the first pic i tried to get the first pistils in the pic...3rd pic is some mutant that has dinner plate leaves....then some oooh aaaahs.....
2nd...the high times bonzo is talking about is 3 months old...its the one i was talking to you and quoting a few weeks back opie...the LED test was supposed to be 3 issues, but i got the new one, and no LED shit in it...i must've missed a month, cause this months high times, is about the 20th cannabis cup....me and doughboy are workin on getting all that info together...opie....will scan soon if i can get my laptop working again...or maybe bring my scanner to doughboys house....tues will be a week flowering....yay

whiskeytango

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had to cut out the test plant......she was a he........think the whorled 3 leaf is too....sucks, may use the 3 leaf for the F2...ideas?
WT

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LED growing- An instructional grow log
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Thank you for viewing our thread. Just wanted to make an easy reference point for us all as the post continues to grow. If you have any questions after reading please post it and we will try to answer.

DB & WT
SnSstealth
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SETUP

2'x8'x8' closet wrapped top to bottom in mylar
sealed less 3"x20" vent @ floor level
Oceanforest soil
foxfarm nutes:
Grow Big
Tiger Bloom
Big Bloom
Open Sesame
Beastie Blooms
Cha Ching
Co2 Boost
foliar feed with grow big solution almost daily w/ no burn
will use succanant in flower(its a sugar used to increase bud weight)

and...

3 Procyon 100's spaced so the arrays divide the room evenly

temperature readings from the lights are as follows:
placement | temp relative to ambient
18" down | 0°
6" down | 2-3° above
2" down | 5° above(in the middle of array) 84° level

10" up | 8° above
24" up | 3° above
36" above | 1° above (near exhaust)

Each Procyon has 56 CREE X_Lamps
40 red 635nm bulbs and 16 blue 470nm bulbs. a 71%/29% ratio

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PIC POST #

#34
#50 1-28
#74 1-31
#130 2-3
#191 2-7
#193 2-7 (3leaf)
#232 2-9
#282 2-12
#312 2-15
#344 2-18
#346 2-18
#380 2-19
#453 2-22
#489 2-25

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GROW LOG

18-6 light schedule

Seeds went into rapid rooter on 1-16-08. transfered to pots early as rooter was over watered and they had to get them out of it.

1-22 15 plants in pots, 1-25 6 more added

1-28 first set of 5leaves showing. moved lights from 20" to 145" to slow perceived stretching.

2-3 noticed whorled phyllotaxy on one of the plants. creates three leaves at each node.

2-9 7th node on 15 plants, 6-7" tall

2-12 "test" plant 9" tall, raised light 6"

2-13 three plants deemed unhealthy were removed...down to 20

2-15 add Co2 boost, in two days we get 2-3" of height and mass side growth, most are now 10" tall or better

2-21 removed some underbrush

2-24 faint preflower signs on 4-5

2-26 light change..... on to FLOWER

avg height 13" and width of 17"

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Nice grow Sn Stealth. Loking forward for yield

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THANKS DUDE YOUR REAL TO THE CORE!! I APPRECITE YOU DONT GET YOUR FEELINGS HURT LIKE SOME OF THIS OTHER GUYS! AROUND HERE!

Hey bud, I just started using LED's and I've been doing a lot of research on them.. I can tell you for sure you need more blue spectrum in the initial life of the plants.. I have been trying to figure out the exact ratio of blue/red for veg and flowering clycles.. I want to know how much red is actually needed for vegging and how much blue is actually needed for flowering.. I know obviously you want a bigger blue spectrum during vegetative growth, and a higher red spectrum when flowering.. so I want to figure out what minimum of each you need for each cycle..

well I think you definitely need more blue for veg, but I havent even read the whole thread yet.. hopefully we can chat..

take care good times with ur growing !!

[quote]Mantis Hey bud, I just started using LED's and I've been doing a lot of research on them.. I can tell you for sure you need more blue spectrum in the initial life of the plants.. I have been trying to figure out the exact ratio of blue/red for veg and flowering clycles.. I want to know how much red is actually needed for vegging and how much blue is actually needed for flowering.. I know obviously you want a bigger blue spectrum during vegetative growth, and a higher red spectrum when flowering.. so I want to figure out what minimum of each you need for each cycle..

well I think you definitely need more blue for veg, but I havent even read the whole thread yet.. hopefully we can chat..

take care good times with ur growing !![quote]



not enough blue for veg?...you see the pics?...they are bushier than any time i have done HID for sure...thanks for your opinion though
took 2 more males out today....ick...one is probably going to my house for a few days before i throw it out so i can get the pollen...that would be the test plant for those of you who have been here...thanks guys

whiskeytango

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Your style will eventually match your grow area and the amount of time and money you like to put into initial setup vs. long term maintenance.-stinkyattic
"Boy, the next words outta your mouth better be some brilliant Mark Twain shit...cause it is definitely getting chiseled on your tombstone"-Otis Driftwood
LED growing- An instructional grow log
Episode 3...Revenge of the LED

if you've checked out the prycon website you'll find out that the led lights put out a perfect spectrum for plants for the whole way through its life cycle. check it out.

SnSstealth,

I'm yet another of the newbie lurkers who joined to watch your thread

Sir, I must say, you are a Visionary, a Pioneer, a Scientist, and from reading your posts on the forum I believe a Gentleman as well.

This is absolutely astounding and revolutionary work you are doing, and I applaud you both for taking the plunge on this experiment, and for sharing the data on your results as well. I hope you continue and share data about your final yield.

Of course I didn't pipe in to merely to shower you with gratitude and accolades, I do have some thoughts to contribute to the discussion on LED grow theory.

One of the earlier posters in the thread said something about how you are the first to do an LED grow with "close to half enough lumens" or something like that, in a tongue in cheek sort of way, but I think he was on to something.

There's a lot of stuff out there now being sold as "LED grow lights" that is really just snake oil. Most of the products just don't put out near enough lumens. My rough calculations about the Procyon 100's indicate they should be putting out somewhere between 8,000-15,000 lumens each. Your measurement of light intensity of 4,000-5,000 lumens meshes well that estimate.

At the same time, the results you are getting with a light intensity as low as 5000 lumens is absolutely astonishing. It's comparable to 50,000-100,000+ lumen Metal Halide and Sodium lamps. It's a remarkable vindication of the theory behind LED grow lighting. By which I mean the theory that by using LED's spectral selectivity and using only those frequencies of light beneficial to plant growth, remarkable power and light efficiencies should be possible.

And you've done it. Cannabis is not a low light crop by any means, and your data is incredibly encouraging. Once you reach harvest and have yield numbers that can be compared to HPS and MH lighting, you'll show the nay-sayers about this tech. You are demonstrating that LED's time has come.

SnS will have "done it" when the harvest is weighed, and it comes somewhere close to what HID could do.

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hey hey hey, stealth their looking awesome!!
quick question about the lights my friend showed me these today:
shenzhen sheng nan electronics co.,ltd
the 3 watt ones would they be better than the cree X-lamps??
peace luv smokeon!

thanks for checkin in on the thread. they look great to me too

dont much about individual LEDs or power supplies and such. they have more power(near two watts vs. most likely near three) though, so its possible. also factor in the lens cost and assembly.

so so true...

thanks again Gilfaethwy (reply in other thread)

Db

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Your style will eventually match your grow area and the amount of time and money you like to put into initial setup vs. long term maintenance.-stinkyattic
"Boy, the next words outta your mouth better be some brilliant Mark Twain shit...cause it is definitely getting chiseled on your tombstone"-Otis Driftwood
LED growing- An instructional grow log
Episode 3...Revenge of the LED

dont much about individual LEDs or power supplies and such. they have more power(near two watts vs. most likely near three) though, so its possible. also factor in the lens cost and assembly.

ty stealth i don't either maybe someone who does will help out
they look pretty close to same thing to me except cree is like 2 watt and prolight is like 3 watt

looking good nice ladies ya got tasty!!

SnS, Looking good my light is supposed to be shipped here in the beginning of March. After seeing your growth I'm thinking I lucked out seeing the Procyon and checking into your grow experiment on this site. Thanks for the info as well on what you are using to grow anything learned in here by me will be used to help my own growing.

SnS, keep fighting the good fight. I'm pulling for you.

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Opie, Your cautious, skeptical optimism is definitely the right attitude. It's just easy to get caught up in the enthusiasm of how well it seems to be going

That's a result of just how much success here would mean for stealth grow ops (And many other things as well, like long distance space travel). For all the reasons (Reduced electricity consumption by an order of magnitude, reduced heat output by the same, and all the benefits leading to size reduction those imply), obvious to people who have researched it.

Sorry, I'm a Sci-Fi nerd

SnSstealth could I ask for clarification on something you posted a long time ago? You said you were "getting 5000 lumen across the room at the top of the pots" in a post Feb. 2. How did you measure this? Could you tell me what meter you used?

Most meters I've seen measure in Lux or foot-candles. It matters because of calculations I'm making, correcting and revising.

Experiments with Hydroponics, Aeroponics, and LED Grow Lighting

Has grow tests with a number of LED light products.

They've tested with a single Procyon 100, and I've used their numbers to calculate the average intensity of Procyon 100 at 1 meter, and I get 2073 lumens. 1 meter is about 38 inches, of course, if the distance is closer it will be proportionally brighter.

Thanks again!

Hey guys,
I've been enjoying this thread for quite a while. I don't remember seeing this posted before and I thought it might interest you.

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Can't wait to see the end product.

IndoorGirl