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SnSstealth · #51 (**permalink**) Jan-28-2008, 16:58

tried to edit to late i guess

oh and opie, 56 CREE* Xlamp high power LEDs 40 red 635nm, 16 blue 470nm, and im getting 4-5k lumens at eh base of all the pots. i know the lumen output is not rated the same as hid. more on that later

MVP · #52 (**permalink**) Jan-28-2008, 17:07

Ahhhh, pics are now within the thread... much better amigo! So are you gonna try the Liquid Light with the LEDs? That would be a LLLED thread? (Not to be confused with Opie's LSTTT thread...)

I'll be lurkin' here and chime in if I have anything useful to contribute...

MVP

SnSstealth · #53 (**permalink**) Jan-28-2008, 22:37

ill keep it in this thread when i try the LL. might wait to see how they are reacting with just the LEDs and nutes

DoDoFoShoDoe · #54 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 16:17

Keep up the good work stealth.

SnSstealth · #55 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 16:49

thanks dodo....lowered the lights about 6 in today. babies looked stretchy. first set of 5 leaflets comin out....yay...very close spacing though...dont know if its the light or strain yet, but the leaves are almost flat on each other. VERY lil space....could be a good thing

whiskeytango
SnSstealth

Weedhound · #56 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 17:00

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Originally Posted by MVP

Ahhhh, pics are now within the thread... much better amigo! So are you gonna try the Liquid Light with the LEDs? That would be a LLLED thread? (Not to be confused with Opie's LSTTT thread...)

I'll be lurkin' here and chime in if I have anything useful to contribute...

MVP

lol....LLLED thread...

Opie Yutts · #57 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 18:46

Well the flash helped a little I guess. Anyway they look about right to me for that age.

Pepper · #58 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 21:39

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....lowered the lights about 6 in today.

That's what I would have done. You can get 400w hid's a ft away if you control the heat. Because you reduced the distance about 30% you probably doubled the light intensity on the tops. Any closer and you'd probably start losing intensity at the corners. Thanks for sharing your grow experience.

SnSstealth · #59 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 21:48

ty pepper....i used an off white piece of foam to gauge how close i could get without the light seperating. 12in was about it. so i went from 24 to like 14. seem to be growing good, ill take a few more out of there for pics this sun. i dont know if its my eyes after being in there, but they look almost flourecent when taken out. definitely differant appearance than HIDs. but like i said, your eyes are fucked when you leave the room, everything has a green glow, like a green flashlight in a dark room. green haze....ironic?....lol

cmasfca · #60 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 21:59

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ty pepper....i used an off white piece of foam to gauge how close i could get without the light seperating. 12in was about it. so i went from 24 to like 14. seem to be growing good, ill take a few more out of there for pics this sun. i dont know if its my eyes after being in there, but they look almost flourecent when taken out. definitely differant appearance than HIDs. but like i said, your eyes are fucked when you leave the room, everything has a green glow, like a green flashlight in a dark room. green haze....ironic?....lol

Someone's been smoking in the grow room

cture · #61 (**permalink**) Jan-29-2008, 22:38

Hi SnStealth. As far as I understood you are growing with two procyon 100w kit.
How many plants are under procyons, how old are they? Show some up to date photos and prepare to listen to the rasta critics

SnSstealth · #62 (**permalink**) Jan-30-2008, 10:06

Hey cture,

We're using 3 Procyon 100's 2'x8' mylar sealed room. There are six 3 gallon pots below each light, 23 total plants (15 in pots 0n the 22nd, other 6 on the 25th) some of which are double potted. Photos on post 50 are from Sunday, I think once a week quite enough at this stage at least. using all Fox farm soils & nutes, plants are a little off due to never using a "rapid rooter" panel before so they went to pots a little early. Otherwise they're running strong. from what I've seen from yesterdays feeding Sundays pics should be nice!!!

Hope that helps in your attacks...lol
Doughboy

cture · #63 (**permalink**) Jan-30-2008, 11:40

Glad to hear you man. Honestly speaking with this light you will be able to bring up 6 plants, even then you will yield no more ythan 50-100 grams . What we could do about it?
I heard you are goin to build your own ficture so it could be a great supplemental light to your procyons(imho they a are lols) you need to add up 420nm and 700nm diodes for the first period of time! Adding 420nm diode you will decrease internodal stretch, adding 700nm diode will create an Emmerson effect with 640s from proc. PM me

SnSstealth · #64 (**permalink**) Jan-30-2008, 15:50

Thanks for the input but both for financial and for experimental reasons this grow will have only the three Procyons (not sure if we posted about addl. lights but i could be wrong, there are two of us here).

As far as inter nodal stretching is concerned, with 5-leafs sprouting average is about 1/8" to 3/16" between lower branches. And the testing that we've seen with THIS LIGHT do not seem to have any problem with that. this grow had some over watering/no instructions issues as stated w/ the rapid rooter that caused the cotyledons to stretch because they were planted early(I know I know dixie cups from now on).

we'll all find out in a short 3 months

Doughboy

SnSstealth · #65 (**permalink**) Jan-30-2008, 22:23

yeah, ive been growing for several years soil indoors, first LED but im very optimistic...think we'll be happy.....and someone has to do this for us all right?.....we've done our research as well, and it would be awesome to have awee bit more positive feedback cture. i havent found that this has been done yet to this extent, so know one really knows how this will turn out. but thanks for your imut man

and yes cma...i always smoke in the grow room

share the vibe with the babies

whiskeytango

denial102 · #66 (**permalink**) Jan-30-2008, 22:51

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try to respond to a few here...the LEDs in the procyon are CREE XLAMPS... not cheap at all...and they are tuned frequency wise...HGL tried MANY combinations of blues and reds to get it down. I read the UFO article, but the comparisons ive see of the 2 say the procyon blows the UFo away, their 600w comparison may be off, because they claim it covers a 10 x 10 area, which is more like 1kw, and they only have 54 LEDS...so 1000 would be insane!...lol and weedhound, gimme some positive juju man!!!..LOL, just bullshitting, i can tell you have done your homework too, i was not a believer in the current LEDs till i talked to RYAn over at HGL...i hope this works too man, cause this could, no will, revolutionize growing for all of us, and im very glad to be part of it. succeed or fail...we are taking one for the team...lol, and soil, hydro, HID, or LED any help from you guys i can use to apply. the LEDs are causing slower water uptake due to nice low heat...keep up the comments, questions and suggestions guys....
posts may be by myself, whiskeytango, or doughboy, my partner in this adventure

peace and pot,

whiskeytango
SnSstealth

Procyon-100 100W LED Grow Light - HomeGrownLights.com

yeah.. in the case of LED grows it's going to be quality over quantity or i'd feel like I was wasting the money for no reason

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yeah, ive been growing for several years soil indoors, first LED but im very optimistic...think we'll be happy.....and someone has to do this for us all right?

Thanks man, Love you! It's about time someone has a definitive example with a definitive answer!

Weedhound · #67 (**permalink**) Jan-30-2008, 23:55

Well I have to say that it would REALLY help if you had photos that weren't pink so people could get a nice idea of the plants and see if there really is a difference in growth for one thing. It's hard to be supportive without really being able to see whats going on for themselves and see that there really is some sort of improved growth or not.

You also have to realize that while you may think it's a terrific idea to spend $1800 on lighting not EVERYONE is going to feel that way or be that excited about it for one simple reason. Most people can't afford that kind of money in one go and so won't be investing in that lighting anytime soon so don't really need minute (and pink) information on it (past hearing the price) unless these lights create solid gold buds or something.

Finally.....realize that not everyone grows or WANTS to grow the same way.....or even just one way. I personally don't like plants with really short internodes....its a darn hassle to get light to them evenly and I like big yields.

Stealth...you DO realize that you will NOT be recognized for your achievements until after you are dead. This is the price of genius....and I speak from personal experience.