Now I DO like those seedling photos.....and the seedlings look very happy and healthy with your lighting (and not pink so I can really see them....)

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Well the plants seem to like that LED-light....they didn't died...they look nice & healthy....
Good work so far SnSstealth.... (That color is crazy)

points taken...i really do appreciate everyone chiming in their ideas, points, opinions, (bellybuttons) and Im sure im spewing alot, just excited about the whole LED thing. took ALOT for me to give up the HIDs..i KNEW they worked. but i also knew that until i KNEW if the LEDs worked, it would bug the shit outta me...so if cture is right, and i am doomed to fail, fine. but i will know. do pics every few days, till they really get moving...thinkin im gonna let them get 24in before flowering, going for like 6fters...heh
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I for one don't give half a shit what nay sayers have for opinions. I respect someone who is willing to dare to experiment.



Rock on bro!

MVP

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I'll second that!

ty MVP and sublime

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It's not that he dared to expirement.....I think we all do that.......it's that he dared to expirement $1800 worth. That's pretty much a different ball game right there.

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I picked this up the other day, an LED light for 99 cents. It has a power cord or takes 2 AA batteries. They also had pallets of CFL Bulbs that are paid for in part by edison to get us to switch out old bulbs. If Edison can sponsor energy saving products and distribute them this cheap why are the fricking red and blue one $600 bucks? Hello........I could buy 50 of these and some red or blue leds and swap out the whites here wouldn't you think?

And I would but knowing me I would knock out power on the western grid or get electrocuted. However I still might try, I just wondered if someone else thinks it could work because it seems too easy and too cheap.

Oh yeah and you can get this wonderful desk light in silver or black!!!

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Mmmm, could someone please explain how LED lights affect quality any differently than say... CFL, or halogen, or MH.

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SnS, there is iron in WHs words, yet they ring with a tone of discouragement. Please don't worry about the naysayers and nerdowells. Please continue with your plans that I personally am excited about, and will continue to be, right up until the point that in flowering when you decide to dump the experiment and some supplemental lighting. I recognize you not for so much for your genius (yet), but for the fact that you have the balls and the money to try an all-LED grow. LED's are coming soon, like it or not. Actually they are already here and extremely viable for many situations, but it's just that grow LEDs need a tad bit more of experimenting and tweaking. Just a couple more years of tweaking here and there. Not that I'm a big shot, but trust me, I took a class from industry leaders like Phillips and GE.

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opiei definitely agree with ya that grow LEDs are not perfected yet, and do need some work. But as they evolve just a weee more to get to that point, i'll be at the point waiting. Im sorry that we were in the financial situation to be able to do this, i mean, even a mediocre harvest will pay for the lights. I dont get though why how much we spent keeps coming up. again i say....someone had to do it, and my balls felt big...heh. ill have some more pics up tomorrow...they loved the lowering of the lights and the start of nutes....we set the lights up to be moved alot because like opie said i believe, we are doing some serious adjustments....constantly...but its somethingIve never done per say, so I dont expect amazing shit the first harvest. I already realize i should've used like a 15 gal pot under each light with 4-5 plants in each...or it could still be cause the stage they are in....I...Dont...Know...LOL but im learning alot right along with you guys....so what im rambling about is basically this...feel free to tell me im doing something wrong, or give suggestions...but dont shoot my shit down before its even started....weedhound, opie, mvp, cma...none of you guys have really bugged me... i was mainly talking about cture, didnt wanna name people, but others thought it was them...

I needed that...but by all means, everyone chime in all you want

and luvfriday, sorry man, but those LEDs wouldnt grow with 1000 of them...they have to be tuned...blah blah...read earlier on the thread.. lots o spec reasons

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LED growing- An instructional grow log
Episode 3...Revenge of the LED
Episode 4: The Clone Colonies

They will work and they do fine for vegging, and LED arrays have been used many times for growing. Within 15 years I guarantee that myself and many others will be switching to LED grow lights unless some new, better thing gomes along before hand. Just about the same time that they start to function well for producing nice big colas similar to those HID produce, and the initial price to do so becomes a little more realistic.

Please don't get discouraged. Most people thought the guys working on cures for many diseases, or getting some photos of the Martian landscape, or trying to build a flying machine, to name a few, were complete idiots and wasting valuable time and money. Kudos, and have a little "spirit of experimentation" rep. Though it will not be, I want your yield to be just this side of sliced bread. Soon though, soon... Just any decent yield will get me thinking more strongly about switching. I do not expect, nor am I hoping for any kind of astounding yield. Weed smokes the same in the bowl whether it's from a huge crop or not, and the low cost of running LEDs combined with their ridiculously long life, would make the purchase price well worth the money if the yield were anything close to conventional lighting techniques. I'm not asking for much here, just some good, powerful grow lights that are nearly free and cost nothing to operate. That's not asking too much is it?

I want to switch as soon as possible and guys like you may end up making soon a reality. Thanks for the experiment and thanks for sharing.

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Wow, for a dead person you have been producing some pretty cool grows and some nice write-ups. Who's your unghost writer?

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eh, girls where talkin, so i went in the room with the cam....here you guys go...its 74 degrees 50 percent humidity and 6.8 Ph......or not....not letting me put them up right now.......

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LED growing- An instructional grow log
Episode 3...Revenge of the LED
Episode 4: The Clone Colonies

Nice attitude of exploration and experimentation. I know the feeling. I like it. It's like, "I just gotta know and I won't sleep much until I do". I sure wish I had the money to do nothing for a living, (or at least for a hobby) other than experimenting with horticulture as it relates to weed farming, and other healing and psychotropic flora. Whatever experiment or item of controversy that popped into my head, or the heads of the people of the cancom forum. (I certainly would not consider frequenting a different forum.) Hey, anyone out there have some grant money for me?

You are not doomed to fail. I have a feeling that if you have enough brains to get some seeds successfully growing, you can also see the grow through until harvest. No matter what yield comes of it, the grow, or the experiment will have been a success.

Again, best wishes. Please stand by; sending positive vibes now.... Almmmmmmmmmmmmm (while in lotus position).

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Yes it is different, fortunately. So different it just might work. Since we've started talking about LEDs years ago, I've always said that someone might be able to get a nice fat yield using solely LEDs, but not by spending $200 on light. I've always contended that it will be into the thousands$ to end up with anything significant. I was thinking more like $3000 per plant and up, at todays technology and cost, but the price for this technology is rapidly declining, as with all electronics after a few years of getting more recognized and commonplace.

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Edison and several other companies have recently been taking big initial losses with the hopes of getting people to see the light, (no pun intended), and to get that wonderful government subsidy that comes out of our pockets. The rest, and then some is usually recovered through taxes that come out of our pockets.

The blue ones are normally double or triple the price of red, and they are $600 because it is an entirely different, and much newer technology. Beta video players were damn expensive when they first came out too. Now a unit costs what, 10 cents?

If you choose to rebuild those lights, it would be best if you kept at least a couple white ones, but yes of course, mostly blue and red. Also, different colors and brands run at different volts, amps, ohms, or whatever, which I imagine might be a significant hurdle to overcome. Not sure, I'v been reading some but haven't started tinkering yet. Been waiting for you to show me exactly how. I think you might be better off starting from scratch. Ideally at minimum two light fixtures; one for veg and one for bloom, with more blue in veg and more red in bloom. Sounds like a fun project, and I got pretty excited about similar projects a few months back. They just kinda slid down the priority list one night when I was asleep. Sneaky bastards. Since we are paying for these whether we buy some or not, for 2 or $3 each (with batteries) I'd be tempted to scoop up 50 or 100 of these and see what they can do by themselves. However I fear that if used as grow lights, the cost of batteries will be the downfall (rechargeable batteries? don't know, but that costs electricity). I tell you what though: LEDs make friggen great flashlights. (But get the higher power ones.) Hey either that or you could scoop em all up and sell em on Ebay for $4 each. That's what... x amount? Damn! I almost did that when I got the expensive CFLs for 8 cents each.

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Why are you sorry for having money? Please don't be, I think that's great. I think it's even more great that you're planning on sending me some. YOUR EYE LIDS ARE GETTING EXTREMELY HEAVY, BUT WHEN I SNAP MY FINGERS YOU WILL AWAKE FEELING REFRESHED AND HAPPY. YOU WILL ALSO GLADLY DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING I TELL YOU TO WHEN I SAY "ALBANIAN CHICKEN SOUP" IN THE PRECEDING SENTENCE.

I'm very happy that at least a couple of us weed growers not only are able to experiment for the sake of the rest of us and for the sake of overall knowledge, but to be able to show us what happens when a grow isn't constrained the slightest by lack of finances. I guess being able to use top of the line products, craftsmanship, nutrients, etc. is what I'm talking about. Hopefully one is able to combine all that with knowledge and common sense. In that case the whole deal has huge advantages over a ghetto grow that "can't afford to spend money on something to measure PH". Not that you are doing all this, but at least perhaps a nice bit of funds may enable you to study and try what might eventually become the "top of the line" lighting system. It was the illustrious Zandor who said, "If you go cheap you'll grow cheap". I whole-heartedly agree.

I'm not entirely sure that you really are sorry or sheepish about getting a little money, but if so there is no need for that. In general I'm just as comfortable around wealthy people (don't know that you are or aren't). We'll get along just fine unless you start indicating that you might be better than me, or start flaunting your money, or just overall being a total ass like I have seen many people do.

And SnS, to answer one part of your question; This may be a little hard for a person with money to understand, but I'll try. For many of us one of the main concerns for everything we consider, or often, everything we think about, is how much that thing or situation is going to cost us. When you have to decide between food or electricity, it's kinda out of the question for many of us to be able to justify spending $1800 an a lighting system for weed. However, many (or at least several) of us are very interested in your project, or LED lighting in general, and perhaps would like to someday construct something similar to your set up. That is why we are interested in many aspects of it, including the cost. In our case we have to ask, so perhaps we can't afford it.

Keep on fighting the good fight.

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Oops, sorry just skimmed back again. The lights come with power cords as well.

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yup....dont get it twisted we is BROKE... a lucky one time lump o loot made sure that if we did it, we did it right....that way we knew what if i had CO2...what if.... so we got it all, now we are broke...and hoping like hell for an AVG at least, yield...then repetition...well...i am talkin to a bunch of growers...lol.....oh..another attempt at the pics....
guess not

whiskeytango

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Episode 4: The Clone Colonies

I don't recall shooting anything down. I just refuse to bat my eyelashes and say "wow you big strong $1800 hunk you" if I don't happen to think so. And right now, while I like the pink, if you want wows you gotta give the folks something to wow about.
We've all given you the proper wow for the money you spent on lighting (which IS WOW!) but this is a VERY "what have you done for me lately" kind of deal and we're stoners......we forget things fast.

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Huh? I guess I missed something. In the 2 or 3 times cture shared with the class I don't remember him/her ever shooting your shit down. Just from memory here, but didn't he just offer some advice and say what he might do differently, and in general offer to help? And at least in somewhat of a non argumentative manner?

As best as this stoney mind can recollect, nobody was putting down your deal man. If you want to point the finger at anyone, seems a more appropriate choice might be Weedhound, but even then I don't think she was doing anything worth fretting over. She just thinks that's a damn large amount of coinage to be dropping on an experiment that's trying to take a concept farther than it has gone in the past. Is that about right WH? I completely understand her point of view and I agree with it. However, if it weren't for insane wealthy people investing a bunch of money in ridiculous, unproven ventures, we wouldn't have much of the necessary useless crap we have at our disposal today. At least it would have got here later, costing many thousands of lives. What the hell is this circular, obtuse, cosmic crap opie?

The deal is that the collective has yet to behold a yield or a bud of great stature, when the grow used LEDs as the sole lighting source. Understand that it is human nature to be skeptical and critical of the new stuff, and defensive of our old "proven" methods. Sure we've seen bud. Also, sure we have not seen giant, mouthwatering dankness as with HPS. This doest mean we should not endeavor to perceiver, especially as technology advances in that area. I hope you don't get discouraged at previous and future put-downs, or whatever, and there most likely will be some.

And I haven't "really" bugged you? huh? Sounds quite a bit different than just plain ol' "you haven't bugged me." I'd appreciate it if you could point out my bugginess, so that I may learn to not be such a bugger.

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That is an extremely bold and confident statement. I'm pulling for you, but that is one hell of an order to fill. I hope you'll grab my hand and pull me up to that level when it happens, or at least somewhere close.

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I can't explain it, but both in the Hightimes UFO grow comparison and one other I saw, they claimed higher resin levels and a better high. I dont claim to know why, just hoping they're right

Doughboy

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LED growing- An instructional grow log
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Episode 4: The Clone Colonies

Everyone please understand the purpose of coming in here so early is to have a hard to dispute, picture laden record of WHATEVER happens with these grow lamps. good or bad. They are out there making claims of what they can do and until each different type of light is tested by themselves than no one will no. If the price we payed is an issue I would rather it not mentioned ever again. As WH said this thread will blow up if we show budding plants and its getting long already. The LED lights...info please thread (of which I think we've all been to)is a good place for lighting theory ?'s. I'm not trying to shut anyone down or stop their input, but cture "INSISTING" we add more lights isn't what we were looking for. I know there are many "helllllp what do I do" posts, so its understandable, and NO we dont know everything and may have ?'s just as you have. It just seems we all(us included) are sharpening our sticks to go after one another for no reason. We are all very interested in any new grow technique, its human(grower...lol) nature for new processes to be loved and belittled at the same time. I do hope that you are all around to either point and laugh or point and praise...and the experiment will continue.

fillin it up to send around the room,
Doughboy

P.S. pics as soon as it lets us

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LED growing- An instructional grow log
Episode 3...Revenge of the LED
Episode 4: The Clone Colonies