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SnSstealth · #**126** (**permalink**) Feb-02-2008, 21:13

ill see if i can get them up for ya opie...it spread over 3 issues....anyone else having problems doing pics last few days

SnSstealth · #**127** (**permalink**) Feb-02-2008, 21:35

opie I thought ive seen lm charts showing 2000 lm as growable but small, 3-5000 good grow range. and 7000 and above was overkill. I know those term are not nearly scientific enough for you and im going from memory UH-OH...lol do i have the numbers wrong?

Doughboy

Opie Yutts · #**128** (**permalink**) Feb-02-2008, 23:54

Please don't worry about getting all scientific on my ass. I aint that book learnt.

And that would be wonderful if you could show me (us) the comparison photos, but I didn't know that they were spread over 3 issues. Seems like a tad bit of trouble, so I won't be the least bit upset or disappointed if you don't.

Paht_Hed · #**129** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 00:27

I have read the last two LED reports. They reported a smaller yield (due to a smaller amount of lumens being output by the light) and higher resin counts. The pics of the bud was pretty damn sticky looking. They used the LED UFO. Basically they aren't even using what they should be and they still got good results. No one is arguing that the money isn't there yet but, and I can't speak for anyone else, I for one am arguing that you can get better results given you match the same amount of lumens as an HID.

SnSstealth · #**130** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 10:31

wooooooooosah.....pics are from this morning...and appear to have let me post....YAY...the internode gaps look good...babies are BRIGHT green unless thats my eyes from being in the grow room...do they look greener than avg? any differant from a HID? guess i shoulda done side by side...even if we did like 2/3 LED and like a 2x2 with a 400HPS...maybe next grow...unless......we get a dank harvest...fingers crossed...hte first pics i posted were 6 days ago...so they might be going a wee bit slow...tell me what you guys think....any differant looking than normal?

whiskeytango

SnSstealth · #**131** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 10:36

i just looked at those pics on my comp...is there any way i can post them in the same resolution?...they ones i posted on here dont look as good
bong

whiskeytango

smok3y · #**132** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 12:11

Lookin nice a health dude.. Will defo be poping back to see how ur grow goes man..

Good luck

Opie Yutts · #**133** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paht_Hed

I have read the last two LED reports. They reported a smaller yield and higher resin counts.

I'm guessing more resin is due to the stress of not enough light? Anyone? And if this is so, is this stress a good thing? Does more resin also mean more THC and other CBs, or just more resin? Also would it be fair to say that since you get less resin overall, but more resin per plant matter, does it come close to the overall goodness of results from HPS? Has anyone compared THC percentages in that extra resin?

Opie Yutts · #**134** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 16:57

SnS, plants are looking fine to me. Seems pretty normal so far.

About the pictures, High Def monitors are fairly new to the computer scene and most people have the ol' regular monitors. This means that you can post you pictures at bazzillion resolution if you'd like, but most everyone is going to see them at a max of 96 DPI. That's most peoples screen resolution. Generally pictures are saved for the web at 72 DPI, which of course really sucks if you're going for grand quality, but is usually just fine for conveying most messages.

Here's a little thing I posted awhile back. Might help, I don't know. Pictures sizes, and how to post pictures

hatch · #**135** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 19:06

SnSstealth, Plant's are looking great. Have you had a chance to watch the video I put up on the Light section. The coluor's are end less that you can mix with the Wash and spot series. Any coluor in the rainbow, On all different wavelength's even Lazer for some UV. I really like the violet coluor your light through's off. How long did you think you are going to veg.? They haven't streached much, as far as I can see. Good so far. Later

SnSstealth · #**136** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 21:45

thnaks opie....that was exactly what i needed to know...lol and hatch prob gonna veg for 4 weeks total...so about 2 1/2 more weeks....goin for 5-6 footers...havent sexed, so im sure ill whittle down to about 15 from the 24 we got. then grow em tall topping twice maybe. tahts what i did with the jack herer...so far these look more like the jack than the bubbleberry, but that may change...this is an F1

whiskeytango

Weedhound · #**137** (**permalink**) Feb-03-2008, 22:03

Those babies look happy and healthy to me Stealth.

hatch · #**138** (**permalink**) Feb-04-2008, 01:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I'm guessing more resin is due to the stress of not enough light? Anyone? And if this is so, is this stress a good thing? Does more resin also mean more THC and other CBs, or just more resin? Also would it be fair to say that since you get less resin overall, but more resin per plant matter, does it come close to the overall goodness of results from HPS? Has anyone compared THC percentages in that extra resin?

Opie Yutts, Hey you asked for a short definition, and you said that it wasn't right. So I dug-out a Horticulture book from when I took it at Texas A@M. I'll still try to do it short, but mabe explain it better OK. Plant growth, harvest, potency and even the time to Flower are all dependent on the light they receive. Light quality, intensity and duaration are all important. The following is a brief introduction of plants, light, lumens, and PAR. Light is a plants food. Nutrients are only building blocks for the plant cells, but it is light that provides the energy! So how does it work? When light falls onto leaves it triggers the process of photosynthesis, which in simple terms is the process of turning light, which is radiant energy, into chemical energy. The amazing process of photosynthesis turning light energy into chemical energy, is one of natures wonders. This energy transfer happens inside the plants cell structures called chloroplasts. The basic components of chloroplasts are individual membranous, sacs which contain fats, proteins and pigments. Pigments play a important part, They absorb light in the photosynthesis process of turning light energy into chemical energy. Choraphyll, For example is an important pigment which absorbs red and blue wavelengths of light. The light absorbed by the pigment causes a reaction, which produces chemical energy( it makes electrons out of the light, and the electrons use thier charges to make sugar energy for the plant). The chemical energy produced by the chlorophyll (pigment) from light is sufficient to split the water molecules apart. This provides units of hydrogen(H) and hydroxide(OH). The hydroxide combines with carbon dioxide, Which provides the energy for plant growth.( And you thought there was nothing going on in your plants!!) Light, its intenisty, quality, its colour, spectrum, wavelength are therefore all-important factors, but how do we measure light and what are the most important components. Light is measured in photons, Light actually hits objects just like a spray of water, and the sun emits lots of light photons, to give you an idea of how many; the sun hits our body with over 12,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, photons every second and a plant needs about 20 photons to make a finishedmolecule of sugar. So our scientists can count the number of photons hittng the plant and even predict how much of this energy will convert into FLOWERS of FRUIT!!! Each industry has its own way of measuring light. Photographers use a light meter, the lighting industry uses lumens or lux and the gardening industry uses PAR. All are only measurements. Light from the sun is ideal but its not the same as artifical light, where output, quality, spectrum ect; raries upon the type of lamp and how it is used. Many growers think that more lumens= better growth/yields, When in fact artifical light, even at its BEST in a HID @ HPS lamps, but is not so good in terms of colours, much of the light from the bulb is not used by the plant, mainly because it is not in the 400 to 700 NW ( Nanowave) spectrum, and plants can only see and use light in this range. Light quality and its colours are as important as lumens. Light, as seen by plants is not a single colour but separate bands of active colour-band of light as a separate signal. Each band of colours has a different effect on plants and the following are only a few of the functions which each band of light promotes. 400 to 700 nw spectrum Blue light (350-500nw) powers chlorophyll production, powers cell actively, energies the stonata movement and makes the plant follow light. Green/Yellow light (500-650nw) not much action from these bands of light, but needed for good health. Red light (600-700nw) makes sugar from CO2. powers chlorophyll production , signals light and dark times among other functions. Strong blue and red light photons (as above) are also needed for good carbon dioxide uptake. The PAR scale measures all these colours, photons between 400nw @ 700nw, The critical range that plants can use of light. If its not in this range then its wasted light. For growers PAR is all impotant and as important as lumens. PAR stands for Photosynthetic Avtive Radiation. Photosynthetic, the sensed by a leaf pigment. Active, the light that causes the leaf pigment to become active for making energy. Radiation, another way for light @ photon energy. PAR is the measurement scale used internationally as a metric light measurement and is becoming more and more relevant to Growing and Greenhouse light measurement. PAR is the measure of light that a plant actually senses and uses, and it is the light the plant sees and can use that is more important then actual output lumen of the HID @ HPS Grow Lamps. A Large HID Lamp may give out loads of lumens, but if its to far away from your plants most lumens are wasted, the light intensity diminishes with distance and in addiction the light is limited of what the plant needs because it is in the wrong spectrum!! So the main value of the PAR measurement is that it is the only measure that takes into account the actual light and light Colours that the plant uses to energies its pigments and generate sugar energy, and its the sugar that makes your plants grow and produce SUCH SWEET FRUITS OF OUR LABOR!!! You should have taken my short definition. Hope that explains where the exrta potency comes from using the LED's, correct Colours and no waisted spectrum. Fuck I need about 20 Bong-Hits. Later

hatch · #**139** (**permalink**) Feb-04-2008, 01:36

Man I had it all seperated and in paraghraphs. Sorry it put it all together, anyway there is some good info in there from start to finish. Later

cmasfca · #**140** (**permalink**) Feb-04-2008, 02:19

That wall of text hurt!

Haha but good reading for sure

Opie Yutts · #**141** (**permalink**) Feb-04-2008, 06:08

OK hatch, that gave my record breaking, 6 day-old headache a run for it's money. I read the whole thing and I can't for the life of me, figure out what it is exactly that you're trying to teach me. I love ya man, and I respect your mad passion for LED lighting, but to be honest it's kinda like I kept waiting for a punch line that never came. Well, let me take another (and shorter) look I guess, hold on...

Nope, still no luck, sorry. I want to understand, really. I’m sorry for taking so much of your time, but I do appreciate you trying to help me get a hold on the physics behind this fascinating concept. I don’t know if it’s me or what (and it certainly could be), but something just aint clicking. If you don’t mind, I’d like to not give up on it just yet. Or maybe if you’ve had enough of me someone else can take over and pound it into my head.

I disagree with a thing or two in your thesis, but perhaps a different time. I guess where I really want to go is, what extra energy? What is this energy you speak of and where are we getting it? According to known laws of physics it must come from somewhere, it can’t just suddenly exist (well maybe, but then we’re getting into a non physics discussion).