SnStealth, I hope your grow will deliver you some pleasure, and I hope you wouldn't mind if I'll take part as critisist in this thread

Regularly it takes 3-5 days scince germination for seedling to open second set of leaves, how long took yours?
On last photos we can observe a little mutation such as leaf deformation and a 2finger leaf instead of 3, were these mutations in your garden earlier?

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I appreciate your taking the $$, time and resources to try this new approach. I will be looking forward to seeing what kind of results you get. I think you are getting a lot of unnecessary heat in thread. Just keep on truckin....LOL.

in the most respectful way..... there's 1 or 2 LED theory threads. this is not one of those. we ARE using LEDs...kinda moot point to theorize about it now huh.... now i see what ya meant WH, about keeping certain things in the correct threads....trust us, we got yelled at for it...lol.

answering question 34486: (welcome back cture)
i noticed the few mutations too, but doesnt seem to effect them at all...got one plant that has 2 sets of 1 leafs...maybe its in the F1. i have had small mutations in leaves many times before, didnt seem to effect the over all product...just a few less leaflets on some leaves....as far as i know, through all the growing IVE done, leafs forming not perfect is fine, have a few almost every garden
BONG!!!!!!!!! thanks for the imput guys

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I've got a good idea what's happening. Not sure, but a good idea, since a very similar thing happens to me. I don't get it really, but it must have something to do with how different word processors function in regards to automatic web page stuff. When I type something on my laptop in MS Works word processor, then copy and paste into the reply box, everything looks like it should. Paragraphs are separated properly. On the other hand however, when I compose something on my desktop computer, I normally use MS word. (Yeah, I know, sorry for supporting Microsoft. I gave up my soul and things are still Fd up.) If i don't add an extra "enter" before I start a new paragraph, the same thing that happened to you, happens to me. For some reason it all strings together like yours did. Sometimes I'll be with it enough to remember the extra keystroke, and others I've luckily previewed and fixed it before submitting.

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Ah the friggen headaches. Got my record yesterday, 6 days straight fluctuating in and out of migraine territory. Nobody can tell me why I have them, including the time I was 12 years old and they stuck the needles under my scalp and hooked me up to some machine (EEG - Electro Encephilo Gram)(sp?)

Well at least I think we're getting closer. I understand that there is a lot of wasted light when using HID. But wasted isn't really that bad, it's just... wasted. If you have enough money and don't care much for the environment, "wasted" is just fine. "Lacking" on the other hand certainly is not, and that's where LED lighting systems are right now. In order to be completely as efficient as possible, the're going to need some of those Q and S wavelengths.

I think what threw me off track is you said that by not using the lights that waste light, we will be getting extra energy. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure now that you didn't exactly mean that.

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Aaaaahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrhrhrrhrrrrrrrrhrrrrrrrrr rrrrrggggggghhg! (sp?)

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I'm pretty sure that would depend on several things, such as wattage, dispersal angle, and distance.

OK, but for the purposes of my discussions, unless stated otherwise, I'm leaving the heat factor out of it. I'll assume everyone has the proper ventilation for whatever light they're talking about.

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I hope you're not thinking some heats been from me. I've wished him every bit of luck possible since before you guys were a gleam in your daddy's eye. Someone has to not get all LED-giddy if we're going to succeed in this endeavor, and I do take issue with people stating things like "LEDs are more efficient", or "LEDs generate extra energy", as a matter of fact, without a couple side by side photos or a couple of numbers or something to back it up.

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Ah, gotta love that 'Preview Post' button, don't ya? Keep on trying the explanation, we'll get it eventually....

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ok two things.....

Exactly how many people are "transmitting" under Stealth's name here. So far I think there is ....3??

Also this thread has become QUITE the discussion booth so bet NOW you wish everyone would stay off your thread right? Well you asked for it....so there.

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there are just 2 of us,,,whiskeytango and doughboy...and i dont really feel like we are getting "too much heat"... its supposed to be open for debate, discussion, ranting.....just not straight nay-saying, (deja-vu?) and that even only happened once....and no opie, dont feel any heat, flak, bad juju from you...we actually appreciate having (hmmm...wording) knowledgable people to go through this...its needed to have devils advocate, the other side....shirts and skins to get a proper grow. otherwise we wouldnt be on here yeah? Im glad that there are this many people interested in this, for or against.
so yeah, again, keep coming with the bellybuttons everyone, otherwise this would be boring...
bongggggg......

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thanks for the comments guys, but Im a sarcastic guy...lol. i never meant for WH or Opie to think they bothered me in any way...so if you guys think that.....dont. i appreciate you guys, and MVP and Rock (stay dirty!!!) none of you guys comment out your ass...you know what the hell your talkin about...and.... i think im done now.....
for now..

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SnSstealth, So I guess I'm one of the ones you are speaking of. If you have any problem with any of my post, Feel free to delete or redirect to the correct thread, And we will continue this topic. Later

RODNEY KIIIIIIIIING!!!!!!!!!! cant we all just get along......

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Ya HEHEHE! I'm a no spelling dude,BOOBOO.

Alway's see it after the fact, We all have our hang-up's.

I'll do better I promise.

Yes, We can all get along! We are all in it together EH. Later

I have EXTENSIVELY researched growing with LED's and this is going to be my setup (open to thoughts...):

1200 LED array
-420nm,470nm,640nm,660nm,730nm
-Use 730nm to quickly convert Phytochrome-FR to Phytochrome-R which naturally takes 12 hours (hence the 12 hour light cycle). By doing this we can flower with shorter nights, meaning flowering with longer days, meaning more energy, and hopefully more bud!
-vegetation=2:1 Blue:Red, flowering= 7:2 Red:Blue
-PCB's made by ExpressPCB
-Driven by 8 Maxim MAX6971 16-Port, 36V Constant-Current LED Drivers
-going to overdrive LED's at 55mA, but also creating up an astable oscillator circuit to pulse the LED's at about 20kHz, and have the duty cycle=10%, 1ms on-9ms off.
-UV-B lamps for even more serious bud
-UV-C lamps disinfecting water supply
-Have an additional HPS light for flowering ONLY
-Use Dry Ice for CO2 enrichment and temperature control-AND only costs 60 cents a day!!(and when you CO2 enrich, you dont have to have ventilation[only circulation])

I do have a couple of questions though. Can you string different color LED's in a series. For example a series of 17 LED's 10 red and 7 blue. I have read you can but im not sure. And my friend is taking care of nutrition, he knows his stuff.