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maspino1 · #1 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 13:40

Ok, this is my first ever serious grow, meaning I actually know what I'm doing. As well, I have a green thumb so it isn't my first plant grown.
It will be under LED lights, going up to a maximum of 64W using "china panels" according to stealth (you'll see them in the pics).

For nutes, I'm using Botanicare's Bloom Pro, Liquid Karma and Gro Pro. Pre-mixed nutes:

L>R:bloom, gro, and a tiny bottle for foliar spraying the seedling
all of them also have liquid karma mixed in the water

I started off with cactus soil, and I buried the seed (lol) Sunday, February 3rd. Came out of the ground on February 4th.

I'm gonna use 2 boxes, the one I used to germinate was this one:

and i transferred it to this box as soon as i saw the cotyledons turn green (height=2.333_ ft):

this is before the camera adjusted the lighting, it's not as magenta as the procyon though :S

this is after camer adjustment and ya, it just looks blue:

February 6th:

maspino1 · #2 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 13:45

56W meaning 4x13.somethingW panels rounded up to 14W. I'm using 3 right now but I will
be using all of them in later vegging. btw, i got these for a good price at ebay, 4 for like $131CAD.

ok, in reference to tuesday being day 1, now it's friday so it's day 3 and this is what it looks
like:

forgot to mention that i transferred the entire thing to a 14oz white
beer cup and it's in coir now, and i've been foliar feeding it with
the zinfandel bottle's contents (see first post)

Backpacker420 · #3 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 14:30

Cool, I'm definitely watching this thread.

Anyways, you might wanna install some type of ventilation to your cabinet, I don't think the stale air is good for your little babies...

maspino1 · #4 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 14:47

already got that on my checklist, i just need money to buy a fan and transformer
you're right though, i already have the soil well below the cup edge.
but i've been opening it up to check on the vin+bs mix (for co2 just in case)

**stinkyattic** · #5 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 14:56

VERY cool but pre-mixing nutes is just begging for trouble. The blue LED light is crazygonuts, now I want them for my living room lol!

maspino1 · #6 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 15:03

no nooo, the blue lights give me a MASSIVE headache when i get them in my eyes for too long

it's so eerie though because when i get the leaking of the light on white objects it has a
similar glow to a black light's... it's really strange

oh, and why shouldn't i pre-mix nutes?

**stinkyattic** · #7 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 15:08

I posted on the other thread that you put up pics of that vintage of nutes lol but the chemical components can interact in undesirable ways. Theya re intended to be mixed immediately prior to use.

maspino1 · #8 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 15:12

oh great. i'll have to keep a close watch when i get to using them and act accordingly

maspino1 · #9 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 16:47

OK, I have a problem now... My first set of leaves is fine but it seems to be drooping, not wilting, drooping.

I think it's either:

1) the baking soda and vinegar mix is setting off fumes that the plant doesn't like
2) the effect is common with LED lights
3) i may have over foliar fed

so far i've taken out the co2 mix but it's only been 15 minutes

maspino1 · #10 (**permalink**) Feb-08-2008, 22:04

this is kind of what is happening

that isn't my plant obviously but it's got the same thing my leaves are doing
sans discoloration on tips

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #11 (**permalink**) Feb-09-2008, 11:07

Maspino,

I think you are using nutes way to early in growth IMO. I don't start mine until they come out of the seedling stage or first set of 5 finger leaves. There are plenty of nutes in the soil for seedlings.

Do you have any more seeds? I would be ready for a back up plan because you are basicaly doing an experiment and you will want your seedlings as healthy as possiable. I don't think you have a light problem, just a nute and watering issue going on right now that may affect somthing down the road, just my opinion.

maspino1 · #12 (**permalink**) Feb-09-2008, 14:21

thanks so much for helping

so far i've stopped the foliar feed and just misted water on it to wash out the shit
i have 1 more seed but it's cool if it turns out male, i need pollen for my peruvian house bees anyway

smok3y · #13 (**permalink**) Feb-09-2008, 14:41

Hey dude your grow box is preety cool man.. You could add a few pc fans in to ur box, it will help.. I think your feedin ur babies nutes a bit too early, you mite want to wait a week or 2..

Ill defo be watching this.. Good luck

maspino1 · #14 (**permalink**) Feb-09-2008, 16:43

thanks for the input smokey

ok, so i was really kidding about the house bees. here is the pic of my plant and what it's doing,
unfortunately my camera won't focus properly. i don't know why though.

DAY 4

maspino1 · #15 (**permalink**) Feb-10-2008, 15:16

so the droop is gone. i think it's grown bigger too, the leaves are a bit softer than they were,
like normal plant leaves.

DAY 5

that's FlashCat right behind there

New2Dro · #16 (**permalink**) Feb-10-2008, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by smok3y

Hey dude your grow box is preety cool man.. You could add a few pc fans in to ur box, it will help.. I think your feedin ur babies nutes a bit too early, you mite want to wait a week or 2..

Ill defo be watching this.. Good luck

Hey, I started watching your grow in Sns's thread, and your LED's are way better priced then his. I've been following the actions on ebay my self. (so i'll be tuned in for the long-hall +/-)

How do you power the PC fans on a grow bow setup, they all have that power supply hook up?

maspino1 · #17 (**permalink**) Feb-10-2008, 15:54

oh ya, for sure, he has the procyons lol, mine were like 1/6 the price of his [or if i'm not mistaken, theirs, right?]
but just type in "led grow" and then set listings to "ending soonest" and the red time markers
will be your indicator
and it's sold by ledwholesalers.com

well, since im gonna be using all 4 of my lights, im gonna take advantage of the hole on top
and im gonna get a square flap of white foamboard as well and stick a hole in the middle
so i can attack a pc fan wired to a 12v transformer
i'm gonna radio shack the whole thing

PS>ledwholesalers has amazing shipping, i had my lights within a week and a half

SnSstealth · #18 (**permalink**) Feb-12-2008, 12:06

yeah man, too early for nutes, and be careful with watering. since your using LEDs, the plants sweat WAY less, and the soil temp doesnt rise much. the drooping is prob just over watering. happened once with mine, but soon as you see how much water they like, they are fine. the plants will use prob half the water as they normally do.
and good luck with the china panels. told ya we got some before the procyon, and they were crappy. we got them off ebay, from the same people. just trying to help man.

whiskeytango

maspino1 · #19 (**permalink**) Feb-13-2008, 23:57

thanks guys, i actually need all the help i can get because it's been a week so far and
my plant is hella small! i came home today expecting more but i guess my plant must be
rootbound. et voila:

DAY 8

sorry about the shitty pics, my photoshop isn't working AT ALL and my camera is from air miles.

PS> to stealth: thanks for checking on my grow, im really excited
about your results and if you harvest some good buds im gonna buy
a procyon too

SnSstealth · #20 (**permalink**) Feb-14-2008, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by maspino1

oh ya, for sure, he has the procyons lol, mine were like 1/6 the price of his [or if i'm not mistaken, theirs, right?]

so hows that working for ya?....lol..live and learn, and you get what you pay for....

maspino1 · #21 (**permalink**) Feb-14-2008, 14:46

grr now i have to spend more money lol
it's cool though, im just gonna see how far these panels will actually take me

SnSstealth · #22 (**permalink**) Feb-14-2008, 15:49

Please do finish what you can! One of the main reasons we started our thread was to show everyone (including us) what these products can do on their own. They're being sold as grow lights so it would be a good thing to know how they grow, without changing mid grow because of results or advise by others. thats how we will know.

Doughboy

maspino1 · #23 (**permalink**) Feb-14-2008, 18:28

sweet, it's great to hear encouragement like that
and yes, i am going to go all the way to the finish line and make use of what i paid for lol
but i think after led's, depending on results from yours and my log, im gonna switch to t5ho
because it just seems more for the money and t5 lights give off a wider spectrum based
on their spectra anyway
not to mention people keep asking what that purple light in my room is lol

PS>wider spectrum based on their spectra in my own scientific world lol
is like all frequencies varying in amounts based on bulb temperature