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melodious fellow · #26 (**permalink**) Feb-26-2008, 18:14

wow, that is quite a lot of beautiful plants!

**stinkyattic** · #27 (**permalink**) Feb-27-2008, 07:02

Okay the VT local stuff germed overnight. Root tips are showing, but barely extended. So they are going into soil this evening.
Score is: DD @ 42 days, nearly ready to clone, still not showing alternating nodes or preflowers. VT @ 2 days, germed and ready to plant.
Thanks, Melodious Fellow. Those ones on the bottom shelf are my mother plants- examples of many of the strains I have been lucky enough to grow over the years.

Shovelhandle · #28 (**permalink**) Feb-27-2008, 08:25

Excuse my iggy-ness, but what is Local IBL, Stinky?

Thanks!

Shov

Hey Stinky, glad to see your writing a new grow log, indoor/outdoor at that! Should be very interesting.

Shov

would you send me an email, if you could please

shov

**stinkyattic** · #29 (**permalink**) Feb-27-2008, 08:45

In Bred Line.

Basically, a close group of growers in a certain area passes the same bunch of seeds around for long enough that the strain drifts into something stable and perfectly adapted to the local climate.

The method behind this is what the outdoor growers I know do each year: They plant one seed patch among the group of growers and select only the hardiest, most vigorous male every year to pollinate the patch. All other males are killed, leaving one sexy male and all the females. Then, at harvest time, they find the most spectacular female from that patch based on whatever the priority is- yield, vigor, flavor, mold resistance, etc- and save only the seeds from that one desirable female. These are saved for planting the next spring, and the cycle repeats.

KL4D4 · #30 (**permalink**) Feb-27-2008, 10:18

Wow IBL is amazing, maybe I can try to create some seeds outdoors this summer. I also like the compacted DD's and lastly the seed stash box. I'd like to have a collection like that.

**stinkyattic** · #31 (**permalink**) Feb-27-2008, 10:27

I think I need to clarify what an IBL is.

Any strain can potentially BECOME an IBL over time if it is bred and stabilized for long enough, and all the instances of phenotypes that do not represent the desired strain traits are discarded and not used for breeding. This takes many generations of work to accomplish, but in the end, the result is that anyone can make their own seed crop from the beans they get.

Most strains on the market are F1 hybrids, or strains that may or may not be fully stable, but the seeds are being bred from only a very specific breeding pair of individual plants, and are predictable. Some breeders, such as Subcool, don't even wait long enough to assure little to no phenotypic variation among the generation being sold in seed form, and the resulting plants can be all over the place! Space Queen had a reputation for throwing the most outrageous assortment of phenos- not good if you wanted to run crops off from seed, but acceptable if you had intended to pick a favorite phenotype and save her as a mother.

Popular strains that are currently available from seed vendors that are true IBLs include Island Sweet Skunk, Power Plant, and Donkey Dick. The BOG's Bogglegum was so stable at the time of his retirement that it can very nearly be considered an IBL as well.

melodious fellow · #32 (**permalink**) Feb-28-2008, 17:18

[QUOTE=stinkyattic;1816664]In Bred Line.

Basically, a close group of growers in a certain area passes the same bunch of seeds around for long enough that the strain drifts into something stable and perfectly adapted to the local climate.

/QUOTE]

That is really amazing. Nature is so amazing. Must be wonderful to have a group of local growers! You can just call me Melo if you want Stinky.

I am finally high for the first time in a good month or so...

Looking forward to your seeing your grow growing more, friend!

**stinkyattic** · #33 (**permalink**) Feb-28-2008, 20:09

Melo- sounds good. Yeah, it's nice to have a couple people around to talk shop and compare notes locally. What a great feeling. I can't wait for my peeps to get to try the chocolate cardamom pot truffles I made last weekend! Drool time.

BudGrower- ahhhhh I can't wait to be able to lounge in a lawn chair outdoors at all. It seems so crazy to be doing all this with still a foot of snow on the ground and more falling almost daily... damn that groundhog, lol. I'm waiting for that moment!

dylan · #34 (**permalink**) Feb-28-2008, 20:27

Hey nice log Stinky. I just stumbled over here, and it was an enjoyable read. I think I'll be back to check out this forum more often.

About the IBL, that's pretty much what me and a few friends have been doing the past few years, but I didn't know there was a "technical term" for it.....and who said inbreeding was bad j/k

ProGroWannabe · #35 (**permalink**) Feb-29-2008, 00:27

Stinky how ya been? Been a while for me @ cannacom. Anyhow, I can't believe you found time to do a log. I'd comment on your grow, but it's just so hard to keep from saying something potentially PUN-ny with you growing Donkey Dick and "Purple Shit".......damnit...'did it anyway

b0n3ZA · #36 (**permalink**) Feb-29-2008, 05:36

Lovely looking grow stinky

Will be sure to watch this one!

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #37 (**permalink**) Feb-29-2008, 07:11

Stinky,

I have a coulple of questions for you.

When starting indoors for an outdoor grow what is you lighting schedule?

Also when do you plan on transfering the plants to outside? Cannot picture anytime before the end of April in VT.

**stinkyattic** · #38 (**permalink**) Feb-29-2008, 10:31

Wow thanks guys!

Dylan, when you go out one year to kill males on your seed patch, and discover that suddenly ALL your plants are identical with no phenotypic variation, you may pat yourselves on the back for stabilizing your line. And that's a very cool accomplishment.

PGW, it's real nice to see you again. I hear you've been in touch with a dear friend of mine lately, very cool cat with some real nice genetics.

JerryG, I keep all my veggin plants under 24h of light- EVERYTHING! Moms, clones, rooted cuttings, seedlings, the whole fam damily. There are 3 primary reasons for this:
-I don't have to worry about interrupting their 'sleep' if I want to work in the garden at 4am (don't laugh, it happens).
-It's easy to set the temperature with no timers or heaters or whatever; I just have everything constant and fiddle with it until it is good temps, then walk away!
-The plants have no doubt when it is flower time. Which brings me to your other question...

I'm planning to put everything outside August 1st after a solid 4 days of darkness, the first time in the plants' lives they have EVER seen the dark. This will jump-start their flower cycle and guarantee that they finish by first frost. Also, it minimizes the amount of time they are sitting outdoors vulnerable to deer and scoundrels. We seem to have a nice crop of weed prospectors these days; punk ass motherfuckers whose momma didn't teach them that if you want something, you need to EARN it... they spend the summer scouring the woods for ganja patches and come back just in time to rip them off- usually a week or 2 before the grower would harvest- so the quality is lower but hey, they didn't have to haul water or guano, now, did they? I generally distrust the source of any unripe outdoor I see coming through as product. Chances are, it was stolen. Grrr. Anyway the plants will stay small enough to hide, and by that time of the summer, ripping out noxious weeds is nearly permanent- they are all in flowering mode themselves by then, and don't really grow back that late in the year to choke out your little clones.

chinacat443 · #39 (**permalink**) Feb-29-2008, 11:05

damn, thats deep.
i live in an area where neighbors and unwanted scoundrels arent very common. snas the deer and rabbits.
that said, as soon as they germ and i plant the lil babies, they go right into the ground with a super healthy mix of compost with regular outside soil and some sphagmum peat moss, maybe some guano. put a lil chicken wire around the bitches and forget about them till october. maybe once or twice a week ill go check on em and pull males when the time is right. sometimes i bring water. but thats it. i let mother nature do her thing.

Jerry Garcia 2007 · #40 (**permalink**) Feb-29-2008, 11:49

Thanks Stinky!

I do the same with light cycles, only run 2. 1 at 24/0 the other 13/11, I like the extra hour of light

But I never even thought about how you avoid the theivens. Glad I asked.

**stinkyattic** · #41 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 09:46

SEXUAL MATURITY!!! Oh yay.
So now, with side growth really taking off, and the first of the plants showing alternating nodes, it is time to 'CLONE FOR SEX'.

Here's some pics!
1- The girls before their haircuts
2- The girls lined up in order of vigor. What I've done is roughly arrange them from most pathetic to most brilliant.
3- A pair of BOG BlueMoonRocks who are along for the ride
4- The same pair of BMRs, showing topped vs. untopped growth patterns. The untopped one was a mistake; I meant to do them all at the same time but it's good to show anyway.
5- Now I get a bunch of tags together labelled 'DD 1- 11' that I will attach to plants with the '1' tag going on the lamest one and the '11' tag going on the most vigorous. This way, when I finally get them sexed, I will take the highest-number male and a couple of the highest-number females for my parent plants. It's fuzzy, but the little circle on each tag means that the plant has not yet been sexed, and when I do learn sex, I'll add the appropriate symbol.

**stinkyattic** · #42 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 09:54

Shown is a plant that I consider ready to clone.
1- Getting the hormone ready. Dip-N-Grow is fungicidal, and even mixed in this nasty ass test tube it roXors
2- The new growth on a plant that has been topped. This is where we take the cuts.
3- The pair of new shoots, including a node, slit right down the middle to make 2 clones... you only run into this situation in a young plant that has only recently gone alternating, and then, only when you are taking the whole top for clones.
4- They quickly go sit in the test tube of hormone
5- Meanwhile, while they are soaking up the juice, you take your rapidrooter and plunge the xacto blade deep into the bottom of it. The hole they come from the factory with is way too big for cannabis, and to avoid direct air contact with the cut part of the stem, and good contact with the medium, a simple slit works better. Then, you can use the RR free-standing with good air flow around the base, meaning faster rooting with less chance of rot.

**stinkyattic** · #43 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 09:58

1- The clone as it looks in the RR
2- The clone with the leaves cut down to less than 1" each to minimize water loss through transpiration
3- What's left of the donor
4- Closeup of cut site showing hollow stem- this is a place for disease to enter and we must stabilize it somehow
5- Solution, cut a bit of a plastic toothpick to make a plug

**stinkyattic** · #44 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 10:04

1- Moms after their haircuts- a couple I considered to be too small to clone, but they are the low-number ones anyway and will be put into flower without backing up a mother to save since I don't consider them good examples of the strain.
2- The clones in their tray. They will get misted with wilt-pruf and a wet dome will go over them. That's it. The next time I will touch them is 3 days later when I will mist them with SMC leaf wash (to avoid fungal infection) and re-wet the inside of the dome
3- Stuff that's rooting in the corner lol.. magical stacking prop domes!! There's enough ambient light in the room to let them do their thing, even stacked, as long as I pull them away from the wall.

dylan · #45 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 10:15

Humm, very intresting toothpick solution. I'll have to try that one of these days. Along with the cuting of the leaves down to 1".

Your always so helpfull.

**stinkyattic** · #46 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 10:22

Thank you!

The reason the leaves get chopped is to reduce both surface area from which they can lose moisture, reduce rate of photosynthesis to slow down the whole metabolism while they go through the shock of being cut from the plant (the way patients with very severe injuries or illnesses are sometimes put into a chemically-induced coma to increase their chance of survival), and reduce weight dragging them down- they won't actually wilt nearly as easily.

KL4D4 · #47 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 10:34

In post #49... I was wondering exactly what that lighter says upon it

Do you (word I can't make out) want a pink lighter

**stinkyattic** · #48 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 10:40

"Think about it... do you REALLY want a pink lighter?"
This to prevent lighter theft. It backfires though... I recently found the other one that said "It's for smokin' not for stealin' " between the cushions on my buddy's sofa... and I KNOW I didn't leave it there! lol

snowdawg · #49 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 20:23

looking good...

ProGroWannabe · #50 (**permalink**) Mar-04-2008, 20:32

Nice documentation on this one stinky, as usual.

"You must spread reputation around before giving it to stinkyattic again."

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