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Rock.Steady · #**151** (**permalink**) Apr-27-2008, 22:46

whats the zymme for?

ill try to untangle tomorow, took day off

usin 6 inch stone, its bubblin

Weedhound · #**152** (**permalink**) Apr-27-2008, 23:10

it will help keep your roots from getting....DISEASED! (Ps....nice side effect.....helps keep your ph stable)

Alternatively you can use H202 every other day but I like the zyme products better.....encourages the shedding of older, dead roots that tend clog things up as well.

macro · #**153** (**permalink**) Apr-30-2008, 15:58

FN is an Organic product isn't it? That could be what's causing the brownin of the roots.. otherwise it looks like root rot.

maybe your roots are choked by algae or disease (wrapping your res in black duct tape helps prevent light leaks in the res)

At this stage throw in a zyme product and hope for the best, make sure you remove as much as the dead roots from the water as possible to prevent further problems

flower them soon they grow HUGE in hydro

Rock.Steady · #**154** (**permalink**) May-13-2008, 16:24

a couple weeks ago, I gave what i thought was a light dose of Liquid Light.
well, everyone in veg reacted poorly.
as u mite imagine the hydro's reacted worst.
discolored, wilted, curled and shrivled leaves.

I tried to give them a chance to recover but that wasnt happening.

I decided to clone out both plants completely.

i dug out the 1st prototype for the clone-bubbler I made for Weedhound, made a few modifications and decied to put it into service.

cuttings-
8 of M-II (1-8) (blue russian)
7 of SNLxNH

cut, scarified, hormoned, bubblin 1 hr on-1 hr off (24 hr cycle)

Rock.Steady · #**155** (**permalink**) May-14-2008, 20:21

well, unfortunately they all fell over wilted and shrivled to nothing overnight.
it was a 50/50 as to if any would survive.

ok, what was learned?

-hydro will require a decent level of attention (time is precious lately and contributed substatially to this failure)
-need better 'starter' media, rockwool sucks.
-prepping hydroton might be a pain, but, part may have been 'user error'
-increased space n improved ventilation may be required in this latest version of the veg cabinet.
-Liquid Light should be avoided in veg until its effects are better understood in regard to this particular setup.

anything missed?

no new hydro experiments until further notice,,,
that means,,, back to soil. <-(thats for u Whiskey

)

Weedhound · #**156** (**permalink**) May-14-2008, 20:55

I WOULD lower your numbers if you do more hydro.....I seriously think that's more your problem than the LL......unless......did your soil ones crash as well?

I agree about the hydro demanding more attention than you can give with you job.....honestly not sure if I would try doing hydro with your schedule even with all the practice I've had.

Hydroton sucks the big one.....operator error or no.

Weedhound · #**157** (**permalink**) May-14-2008, 21:20

Just went out and checked one of my plants and I'm giving up the Liquid Light as well......completely. Just one too many reactions ont too many times. I'm going back to my VHO.

Technique2 · #**158** (**permalink**) May-14-2008, 21:50

Dudes..... it may be because I stoned right now

, but this was a very informative and entertaining thread to read through. Rock, sorry for your losses, sucks to lose them at THAT stage.

I am curious as well on the soilers.

WH,

nice job with the insights, guidance, and constructive criticisms of Mr Rock

. It seems there is a VERY HIGH LEVEL of mutual respect between you, and eventually YOU WILL WIN!

All in all lots of information and "THINGS TO LEARN FROM" in this post.

Rock.Steady · #**159** (**permalink**) May-14-2008, 23:56

WH, Tech, thanks.

some more reflection and answers.

yes, spare time is very limited and a far stricter schedule than 6-9 months ago, when this idea first arose.
yes, the numbers got too high, was reading ur hydro guide but got ahead of schedule. also didnt realize more attention would be needed upon changes in evap and consumption rates (seems the PPM gets all wacked as soon as evap occurs)
they seemed to be more stable, even if a lil slow, when the numbers were lil lower than actually shoulda been. this woulda been a better result than the crash.
as WH has said countless times: "with hydro, less is better, its not very forgiving".
well, mistakes happen, oops.

Q-did the soils crash too?
A-yes, reacted bad, curled, shrivled, discolored, but seem to have recovered slowly while in the flwr room, distant from the light, moved about 10 days ago. a decision needed to be made, the 2 soils moved due to smaller pots and area needed.

WH-
as to the Liquid Light, I am becoming more convinced that its simply way too freakin powerful. Notice all Opie's comments come down to about 1/2 strength and good/happy results. i'm thinking, in smaller quantities, cut it even more than 1/2.
maybe the Penetrator has an effect? i dunno???
Again, back to your: "less is better"
i still wonder if the cfls are a factor, even with your comment to contrary positive results w/cfl.

as to my friend Weedhound, what can i say? been with me since i arrived. helped, coached, put up with me bein a blockhead on occassion, etcetcetc.

a good friend I'm glad to have met.

-edit- and after a years worth of all these lil posts, colas 3 inches thick

Weedhound · #**160** (**permalink**) May-15-2008, 11:34

Yes you've finally hit the "sick cola" syndrome.

Rock's been a challange....

but I can't seem to stay away......at the vey least he comes up with stuff I would never have thought of LOL!

I will say I'm very impressed with your try at hydro Rock.....even though it didn't end well I admire the fact that you took it on and gave it your best shot.....especially considering your schedule. I think if you had (a fair amount more) free time you'd be good at it but your life style just doesn't work for it right now.

Weedhound · #**161** (**permalink**) May-15-2008, 11:39

Yeah my SNL x NH had a nasty reaction to less than 1/2 strength (first time I've used it) and I'm realizing why I'm getting less yields here.....stopped using my VHO and went with the LL but skipped alot of doses due to issues (mostly small but they add up) so I'm booting it to the curb.

PS....Rock I think it's more an LL thing than a light thing....and possibly certain strains are more affected. I sprayed three plants.....ASH, SNL x NH, and CC (cc is a week younger too) and two did great and one got burned. 1 reaction out of three is too much for me......never had the issue with VHO.

Rock.Steady · #**162** (**permalink**) May-15-2008, 19:39

WH, thanks for the kind words and yes, i agree, if i could truely invest the needed time, i think hydro would be good.
the up-side is ive gotten fairly sure of myself with the soil meathod, and given my schedule, it works even better

as to my 'sick cola syndrome', good news, careful exam shows all the moldy shiat dried up and went away while hanging in a warm dry place

.
i think i caught it at the very beginning.
i did wiggle, twist and look fairly deep into those colas.

so,
2 ASH in flwr (2wks and 5wks)...
2 blue russian clones in flwr (2wks and 5wks)...
and nothin in veg

plans?
sure i got some plans.
definately 1 SNLxNH will be sprouted and i will clone a couple off that before flowering.

but now the dilemma, maybe YOU all can help???

what else to sprout?
here are the choices:
(all are fem'd)

white widow
dutch dragon
white berry
blue berry
master kush

please vote 4 ur fave.
voting will be for the next 3 days.

help a stoner decide

btw-
keep ur fingers crossed, had a great interview the other day and hopefully will be able to get back to my actual profession soon.

Weedhound · #**163** (**permalink**) May-15-2008, 20:20

My vote for you would be Dutch Dragon.....easiest grower of the three considering your work schedule....and that would be a GREAT plant for something like a port o scrog.

Second choice would be the whiteberry....then Master Kush (the MK's can be a bit fussy as seedlings then seem to do really well later)

I found Blueberry to be kind of a pita and WW....VERY light feeder so a bit of a balancing act.

That is THIS reporter's opinion.....

MVP · #**164** (**permalink**) May-18-2008, 12:36

Master Kush gets my vote. Actually I just got some Black Kush I want to try, and dammit if I could rep ya I'd do so with a gmail addy...

SnSstealth · #**165** (**permalink**) May-18-2008, 16:21

i am SO a kush fan...I would love to see MK...I got Plan B Smashberry F2s going now...purple kush x blueberry

and some SNLxNH as well...cant wait to see how different growers grow out this marvelous strain that seemed to find its way around

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