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daihashi · #51 (**permalink**) Apr-15-2008, 22:46

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Originally Posted by Cede2Weed

So I have my plants taking up about 4 1/2 square feet of space on top of a table. I have 6 26w (100w equiv) cfls on top of them with no mylar or any reflective material around them. Do you guys think I have enough light?

I believe it was Hudson that said I needed 50w per square foot. Is that assuming a highly reflective environment or will I be okay for now?

I've never liked the 50w per square foot rule. I always preferred to go by lumens.

When I first started I was taught thaat you want to try to get 5000 lumens per SqFt. This ideal and anything on top of that is gravy.

Cede2Weed · #52 (**permalink**) Apr-15-2008, 23:10

Well, I have 6 x 1600 lumens or (my buzz is making this difficult) 9600 lumens. Otherwise, woefully inadequate for a 4.5 sq ft plot.

He probably meant 50w of cfl not equivalent.

So for 4.5 sq ft I would need 22500 lumens? Or 2.5 times what I have. wow. I assume that would be good through harvest. Is that correct?

Thanks.,

daihashi · #53 (**permalink**) Apr-15-2008, 23:20

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Originally Posted by Cede2Weed

Well, I have 6 x 1600 lumens or (my buzz is making this difficult) 9600 lumens. Otherwise, woefully inadequate for a 4.5 sq ft plot.

He probably meant 50w of cfl not equivalent.

So for 4.5 sq ft I would need 22500 lumens? Or 2.5 times what I have. wow. I assume that would be good through harvest. Is that correct?

Thanks.,

You can grow under less light. It's just not ideal. Again this is just what I Was taught but your yields drastically reduce at anything below 5k lumen per SqFt. I've never bothered to verify or understand why this was the magic number. It just sounded like a good *minimum* amount of light to build your grow around. I went beyond this but it really helped me find a good starting point in terms of lighting.

You can flower with what you have. Just know your yields won't be as great as if you had a 250 watt hps. You're already running about 140 actual watts in CFL's right? Wouldn't hurt to run another 110 watts to get better quality/quantity of buds would it?

hudson88 · #54 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2008, 03:59

Hey, I agree with diahashi, if you can double your lights you'll get far better results. I do use the 50 watt per sq ft rule so it was probably me who told you about it. (you're right, it is the actual watt consumption not the equivalent) I just find it easier to multipy by 50 than 5000 when stoned lol, but the lumen rule is more accurate.

Cede2Weed · #55 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2008, 17:32

I should have bought some more batteries for my camera while at Walmart, but I didn't so no new pictures today.

The plants seem to be liking their new soil. The dropping has not stopped, but growth is continuing. Starting to see the third set of leaves on several of them. All remain very green.

I watered them lightly during the transplant but I am trying to not water until I can see that the need it. Hoping the drooping was due to over watering and will perk up shortly.

Another thing that may have caused it, we have had a few very cold nights lately. I turned the fan off the past few days due to the lower temps. Either way, I am counting on this being a temporary thing.

My wife says I have a problem. I have moved a chair and a radio in the closet with my babies and sometimes I just sit there and stare at them, all the while doing my best to refrain from watering/over loving them.

Hope for pics tomorrow

Cede2Weed · #56 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2008, 20:12

sorry for the poor quality, battery low and I was hurrying.

Please let me know if I should be worried. I have propped a couple of leaves up with broken toothpicks. They really seem to like their new soil.

Cede2Weed · #57 (**permalink**) Apr-16-2008, 20:13

last 2 pics

hudson88 · #58 (**permalink**) Apr-18-2008, 19:08

Hey cede, I wouldn't be worried they're looking nice and green and yeah it looks like overwatering to me too, mine have that same look but they're getting over it now, just slowed growth for a couple of days. Keep the updates coming and good luck!

Cede2Weed · #59 (**permalink**) Apr-18-2008, 23:13

I still haven't gotten batteries for pics, but the plants are looking great. I let'em dry out for about 2 days, then gave a thorough watering and put an oscillating fan in with them. They have responding with a real growth spurt.

I hope to get pics posted tomorrow.

Cede2Weed · #60 (**permalink**) Apr-19-2008, 16:12

I have a couple of issues, one has some brown spots on leaf, I think it was from water drops. The other is a very yellow cotyledon. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks!

Cede2Weed · #61 (**permalink**) Apr-19-2008, 16:13

more pics

Cede2Weed · #62 (**permalink**) Apr-19-2008, 16:14

and finally

fenderninja · #63 (**permalink**) Apr-19-2008, 16:51

lookin good, i wish all my "pots" were even like yours, who the hell knows what my potential canopy will end up like

Cede2Weed · #64 (**permalink**) Apr-21-2008, 12:28

Having a few issues with plants, please see pics. Any help with problem plants will be greatly appreciated.

Pic 3 shows some droopiness

Pic 5 shows an abnormal "vein"

Cede2Weed · #65 (**permalink**) Apr-21-2008, 12:29

a couple more pics

daihashi · #66 (**permalink**) Apr-21-2008, 12:38

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Originally Posted by Cede2Weed

My wife says I have a problem. I have moved a chair and a radio in the closet with my babies and sometimes I just sit there and stare at them, all the while doing my best to refrain from watering/over loving them.

Hope for pics tomorrow

lol that is a problem indeed. I used to have the same problem. I killed well in between 50-100 plants starting out due to over loving or not knowing enough about my soil, ph, etc etc. I can say it's much easier to refrain from looking at them constantly after you've been in the grow for a while or completed a grow.

Refrain from the love, your babies will show their appreciation by growing up nice and beautiful for you

daihashi · #67 (**permalink**) Apr-21-2008, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Cede2Weed

Having a few issues with plants, please see pics. Any help with problem plants will be greatly appreciated.

Pic 3 shows some droopiness

Pic 5 shows an abnormal "vein"

pic 3: Either underwatering (soil looks dry) or it's just not as hardy as some of the other plants. I've had some seedlings that always just remained droopy no matter what I would try to do for them. Just make sure the soil is consistently moist and neither dry nor wet while they're still small.

Pic 5: Abnormal vein? Do you mean the yellow vein in the actual big leaves there or the purple in the stem.

If the former then it could be a potassium deficiency. K deficiencies will turn yellow in the veins of the leaf and then eventually the whole leaf will turn yellow/brown and die.

However your plants look too young to be needing potassium and they are defiitely not rootbound. Do you know what the ph of your soil runoff is? Also what type of soil are you using? Are you feeding with any nutrients yet; if so what kind and how much/how often?

If it's the latter is usually normal in early growth.. up to 4-6 weeks I found. Anything past that I find to be a fairly good sign of being rootbound. Nothing for you to worry about yet.

hudson88 · #68 (**permalink**) Apr-21-2008, 18:09

Hey cede,

They're really coming along, I'm not sure what you mean by the abnormal vein either, I really wouldn't worry about that. I've had the red stems going on in previous grows, what are your night time temps like? I've always seemed to have low temps when i've had them.

I'd say the droopiness was overwatering personally but I could be wrong, both under and overwatering cause droopiness. What's your watering schedule been like the last few days, how much? how often?

Cede2Weed · #69 (**permalink**) Apr-21-2008, 18:57

Hey guys, I was referring to the vien that runs through the leaves. On a couple of larger leaves it appears the vein is yellowing a little. I am probably paranoid (wonder why) and it is nothing. They have really hit a growth spurt since the transplant.

I do not have a ph meter. I know I MUST get one.