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May-11-2008, 14:14
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Soil and other Questions
I plan on transplanting the plants on friday which is only 5 days away.....I need a soil mixture...This is what i was thinking:
Also i can see the roots coming out of the hole i made for draining....should i transplant eariel than my proposed date. 30% Premium Top Soil ( its the only soil i can find with no nutrients in it...) maybe scotts or schultz or anything i can find at lows,hd, walmart, or taget.....All the potting soils had nuts for like 2 months to 9 months..... 30% candian peat moss 30% perlite 10% worm casting some dolomatic lime for soil and peat moss..Ph levels I plan on using alaskan fish fert for veg maybe with something else like bat guano or something On another note...im really trying to find grow bags or square pots to utilite space the best...any suggestions would help.....i need them by friday Like i said i hate going to the hydro shops around even though they are very close I REALLY HATE THEM....on that note....i also have tons of landscaping and nursuries around do you guys think they might stock a better soil mixture or my grow bags and pots PS....the plants are really looking good after yesterdays watering with superthrive......Now most of them have their 4th set of leaves and all of them including the droopy ones are looking much stronger with the superthrive.....another watering tomorrow...hopefully with pic.....until later...peace out killa12345 
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May-11-2008, 14:54
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They are doing well. I will post updates images to my Grow Log and my post in the Indoor Growing forum. My sprouts are responding well and steadily growing. You are doing an excellent job keep at it.
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May-11-2008, 23:15
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Thanks for the update on your grow, Tech
 Yo Killa, what's happening? Your soil mix is alllllmost there - composted manure and humus instead of top soil (lowe's, walmart, etc) and use less moss, just cut the peat out of the lineup totally. I do about 50% manure/humus, 35-40% perlite, and 10-15% potting mix (peat based) and a handful or so of lime per container. I could probably live with a bit less perlite though, and a little more compost. No castings for me right now, but feel free as I think it would be ok at 10% or so. Maybe check around some more organic boards to be sure. Everything else sounds good. I run 3 gallon buckets in a sog-ish perpetual that I bought from Lowe's for like 3 bucks a piece. Wally world has plant-specific 3.x gallon containers for about the same price.
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May-12-2008, 07:45
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Hey SimonMakus, and Technique2
For Real Thanks forthe input.....I appreciate it....The problem about humus and cow compost is that is only come is 40lb bags around here and they are both sold seperately....not very expensive $2.00 a bag or so...which would be ideal...but dont you have to mix the soil and let it sit for like 2 weeks before you use..... I really think my plants are getting rootbound already...which makes this even more of a problem.. Why I think my plants are getting rootbound: 1. My roots are coming out of every hole it its container usually 3 or 4 roots coming out of each hole. (7 holes in each 9oz cup) at the very bottom of the cup. 2. With may water schedule staying consistant.....2 oz every other day.....the plants are looking to slowly need water sooner....my plants are getting droopy after being very perky..first it was a watering every 60 hrs.....then they started to get droopy after about 48 hrs.....Now they look perfect for about 40 hrs then get very droopy. Which tells me they are using the water much quicker....i will take pics of the soil today before i water... Last night before i went 2 sleep i looked at the plants and after being peerky all day......all the plants at night all lok droopy...so i gave each plant 1 squirt from the water bottle which equals about 2mL or 1/50 of a oz of water......not very much.......I woke up all the plants look perky again... i think i need to transplant already.....but its only 12 days from the time they sprouted and 10 days since their first set of true leaves. Thanks again for the comments and input Killa12345 
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May-12-2008, 11:37
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Veg Day 10 - Picture Update - Day 12 from sprout
Well i just came home for lunch to waterthe babies and what do you know back to droopy..They all were very perky this morning when i woke up after the 1 spray last night..i think i see when my babies are tell me they need water....i guess that 1-2ml only lasted 12 hrs....6 of which the lights where off.
Heres some pics: (all these pics are before watering today) Pic 1: one of the babies today before watering Pic 2: some pics of the babies Pic 3: One more pic of one of the babies Pic 4: Some of my plants curling toward the ground ( i think tell me it time for water) Pic 5: Soil Shot to show dryness Any comments would help Until next time! Killa12345
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May-12-2008, 11:44
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More Pics - Some of potential problem areas
Here are more pics with potential problem areas:
Pic 1: One of the leaves has this on the tip....(The only one though)....Not really worried Pic 2: This is right after watering (1 minute) But the plant is turning downward and some of the leafs in my garden are taco'ing maybe 6 leaves out of all the leaves on all the plants... Pic 3: One of the draining holes for the cups.....are the roots poping out a problem Pic 4: another pic of the roots on the very bottom of the cup Are these plants showing signs of rootbound? Any suggestions would help Killa12345
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May-12-2008, 11:51
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if your gonna keep them in dirt ...
then yeah, the roots popping out the bottom will only make transplanting more difficult and also damaging to the roots, if the roots are at the bottom of your cups, i'd transplant into larger pots, not too much larger either, i've become convinced by everything i've read here, especially StinkyAttic's threads, that you're better off transplanting several times into slightly larger pots than just doing it once into a big pot, better, healthier roots. i'd also just trim that dead shit off that leaf, i don't know if it's necessary but i do it anyway and it hasn't seemed to hurt my plants. i may be wrong but i believe that dead shit like that will spread down the leaf, if you trim it, it should stop the spread. then, you'll only have half a leaf but it will be healthy.
anyway, toke amongst yourselves bozo, peace, love, dope
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May-12-2008, 15:50
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No i don't think that they are rootbound yet, but Bozo is rite whit the continuous transplanting....imo you should wait a bit longer whit the transplant, till the plants develop stronger roots....
And i think that it would be maybe better if the drain holes would be on the bottom of the pots, and not on the side, so excess water can leave more easily, because the plants look a bit over watered....
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May-12-2008, 16:07
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There are large holes also on the bottom a little better than a 1/4 inch.
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May-12-2008, 19:17
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Just stoppin by to see your progress. I like you had issues where my plants were drinking A LOT more than I was providing. (well in my case the older sprouts)
Make sure you peek in on my little operation. My Botanical Venture
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May-13-2008, 12:19
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Put those babies in some bigger containers, and they'll thank you for it. That's actually a lot of nice root growth for that young of a plant. Go ahead and grab some 1 gallon pots and switch those ladies out. Trust me, you'll be watering less
My from-seed plants go to three different homes over their lifecycle. Some ppl do even more though!Bozo, I disagree about cutting off the dead tip. The pic doesn't even show us what the problem is (maybe work on your focus, Killa  ) and until we find out, don't cut anything off. Necrosis should not occur in a plant that young. I'm betting it's a pH issue, but we'll see.
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May-13-2008, 12:59
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I eventually plant to procure some 5 gallon containers to transplant to for their final home, but that is a LONG time from now so I can hold off. killa12345, You should definitely transplant ASAP to avoid un-due stress, stunted growth or complications later on when you are FORCED to transplant. Nice Growing! 
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May-14-2008, 13:56
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Veg Day 12 - update
Update:
One Monday i posted problems with my plants....thanks to some of the people out there i determined the ph was way to low for safety... Tap Water= 7.6 ph Soil Runoff= 6.0 ph ( way too low) So i flushed the plants....none of them showed much improvement but stickyattic said it would work.....and i believe her.... Soil dried out mostly as you will see from the pics on transplant day. Well its a sad day today some of the babies had to go....Well not really...I decided to transplant today into 5 and 6 in pots....The problem is only 6 plants fix into the box this way so..I knew this day would come just not soo soon....i choose the plants that looked the best to transplant....The other 6.......Well those went into 1 gal pot....and placed outside just in case.....  The soil mixture i used was 1 part black gold cow compost/1 part organic potting soil with no ferilizers (found at local nursury)/ 1 part perlite. I added 8 or 9 tsp. of Dolomitic Lime to the mixture for Ph because i used about 10 gals of soil/compost Bought 10 soil ph test kits.....now i should be able to get a good read.....soil reads at 6.9 ph......i think thats going to be better... Bought some plant ph up/down...placed one drop of down in my gal of 7.6 ph water.....knocked it down right at 6.7.....Think this is also going to help....Also stinkyattic told me to go back to 24 hrs of light which i started on monday also... Here are some pics of transplant day...Sorry for the sh*tty pics its like 100 F outside....want to get back in the A/C Till Next Time Killa12345
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May-14-2008, 14:00
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More Pics
On another note:
My seeds from Dr. Chronic came yesterday.....which was only 6 days from the night i ordered them including the weeking...he sent shipping conf. on Friday so they took 3 days to get here....Some where in the US.... Heres some more pics from Transplant day.. See You all Soon Killa12345
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May-14-2008, 17:17
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Congrats on the arrival of a 'named' strain. I am hoping this ONE Bubba Kush seed one of my buds had will be fem. Beyond that I will not be purchasing any named seeds until this Venture goes well. Meaning, I am harvesting.  Looking good though dude. Keep it Growing!
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May-15-2008, 09:44
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Another Update
Well i woke up this morning and looked at the babies they all seem to be liking their new homes......they are still a little saggy but i think the soil is the way to go......i only feed them 4 oz of water yesterday which i dont think was enough we will see.....I also misted the soil as i mixed it to make sure it was moist..(only 5-6 sprays per container).....
On another note....the reason i think the soil and ph is going to work......The plants i place outside i drenched in the remaining water.....Almost flushing the plants once again....I just looked at those plants....And wow....They almost look perfect....I hope the ones indoor start to perk up like the ones outdoors....The outdoor plants almost look better than the indoor ones., which was the complete opposite yesterday before the transpant and the flush of the plants in the 1 gal pots.... I think i will water tommorrow, i plan on checking soil before i water just to make sure its dry first... See You soon Killa12345 PS.....All the plants seem to be getting their 3rd node at this time some are on node number 2 but all the plants seem to be growing more leaves between the nodes which i guess means their not dying 
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May-17-2008, 11:49
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Veg Day 14 - Pics and Updates
Well its been 2 weeks...im watering them again today before work 4oz was just not enough water.....tried 5 oz today got a good amount of runoff.....tested it 6.8....good
After work...went to the hydro store.....wow they have expanded....and most of the prices are close to ebay if not cheaper in some cases.....and they had everything...from grow tents...verticle cool tubes...every single thing ive been looking for the last 3 weeks....im not going to waste my time anymore at hd or loews.....straight to the hydro store from now on....thank god i left my wallet in the car.....could of easily walked out of there 3 grands poorer...But back to the log.. While i was at work i did a lot of reasearch on lst'ing so i thought i give it a try when i got home from work.....i know its early...but ive read you can start as early as the 3rd leaf set which most of mine have 5 at this time.... Here are the pics Pic1: All the babies in their new homes...getting bigger Pic2: Nice top shot of the growth Pic3: This plant will now be refered to as "droopy" but not for long Pic4: Another top shot of growth Pic5: Side view of growth
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May-17-2008, 11:56
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More pics of problem plants
Here are the two problem plants i have:
Pic1: "droopy" - But if you notice droopy from its pic on May 12...it has completely doubled in size in 4 days....Nice.. Pic2: Here is the plant i will call "the one are bandit" The result of bad newbie ph leveles or something.....i think it will pull threw.
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