First id like to thank a lot of people on this website to inspired me to try this horticulture thing again. (especially bordom children of and stinkyattic) Thanks for the great ideas

So i decided to build a rubbermaid unit like bordom childeren of rubbermaid box design with just a few changes. (for veg and flowering)

right now it has 6 cfl at 26w a piece and they are all 6500k
(box stay at about 76-80 degrees f with Humity around 40-55%) but it is already 95f outside and humidity is at 70%

I got busted building it by my roommate and cannot use it until i move out in a month

So i build a cardboard box dimensions 12"x20"X20" with a pc fan and 2 cfl @ 26w both 6500k good box temp between 74-79 F with humidity at 40-55%....I plan on redesigning this box to fit 4 cfl's but that has to wait till monday.

I currently started 15 seeds from some bagweed i had which id like to practice and get my skills before i buy some exotic seeds. all 15 seeds germinated within 2 days and i planted them all in jiffy pellets and placed the pellets in 2 inch jiggy pots until 2 days later i noticed the roots like 4 inches below the jiffy pellet in 2 days. So i replanted the jiffy pellets in 9 oz syrofoam cups so i wouldnt have to transplant the plants again for like 2 more weeks.

Sorry for the long post but i just wanted to tell the whole story in case someone wants to follow this grow log like ive followed most of yours.

At the time the only problem i can say is the second set of leaves are very small at this time which is only 3 days after they sprouted and some of the stems are purple ( which i think is common.)

I will upload pics later when my roommate is sleeping. My roommate smokes but really doesnt like the idea of growing..i know i should respect him but if they got to be 1 month old and i showed my progress he would definitly want the grow to continue. thank in advance for all the comments and criticism

Killa12345

i think most people will give you some crap about not respecting your roommate. that being said, i can understand your zeal. keep in mind that the plants need both ends of the light spectrum throughout thier life. they need some red during vegging and some blue during flowering. so i would suggest 5 to 1 blue during vegging and 4 to 2 red during flowering, assuming wattages are equal. let me say also that i'm no expert, most of what i say i got from the lips of others (well, not thier lips exactly, the typed word, but same diff)

anyway, i'm using cfl's myself, come on by and check it out

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Be careful with that roomate situation... sounds like bad news to me.

why not just wait till you move out, then you wont have to sneak around and such.

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Thanks for the advice....the roommate is not really that much of a prob. We tried this before with a 1000w hps and it became a multi room project which then had to be taken down because our landlord came by.( hes mad because of the lost of investment) Since it is my house and i let him stay with me and i invested all the money in the project it shouldnt be a problem.

And if it is..... id be glad to rip it down....its just bag seed that im trying to get my technique down before i move...so when the time comes i got all the supplies and my system down.

Heres some pics this is Day 5 from germination and the 1st or 2nd day since the plants have gotten their second sets of leaves. .

so i got the new box built last night temps are a little hot at the moment but trying to get them down right now the range is about 77-82 F which isnt to bad...

2 questions out there for our seasoned growers.

1. My humidity is 37-50 in the new box i add cups of water to try to get it higher only time will tell, but if the humidity stays in this range will the plants still grow and flower well?

2. I have my plants about and inch or some might even be closer to the light. I dont see any spots or heat problems as of now. My question is what should i look for to know the lights might be damaging my babies?

And how do u guys get the smaller pics on the log.....sorry for the big pics i will try to fix for my future pics.

i will post more pics soon of the height when the camera is done charging.

Thanks in advance
Killa12345

heres some pics please tell me if they r to close to the lights please?

your pics are too big, try saving them to a folder on your computer. open them indivdually, then right click on them and look for a way to resize them, then just save them at 800x600 into a seperate folder or with a different name. then post the 800x600 pics.
or you should actually be able to just upload them with the button 'Manage Attachments' a little lower down on this page (the page that comes up when your posting a message). when upload from there, we should see thumbnails of all the pics which we can click on individually to enlarge.
hope this helps

bozo,
peace, love, dope

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'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
my imaginary garden, my cheap & easy diy cloner

GreenPassion.com
be advised, these are the meanderings of a mad man, completely imaginary and should in no way be taken seriously, especially Leo

Distance wise the lights look fine, just make sure the lights never touch the plant and keep them about 1 to 2 inches away from the tips of the plants. good luck

Edit: i cant tell by the picture but it looks like there isn't a reflector above those lights, this means your plants wont be getting all the light your providing and it looks like its causing them to bend more towards the light then usual (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong). to fix this get either a metal reflector or just paint the box with a flat white paint.

Hey Bozo, looking good so far!

Should is right, the CFLs are fine where they're at. Not much penetration with flouros so the closer the better. The way to tell if the light is too close is by looking at the burnt leaves after you move the light up Seriously though, 1 inch away is perfectly fine and will show no adverse effects until it's literally touching the plant.

If the box is reflective on the inside you should be fine without any reflectors. In fact, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, CFLs focus most of their light out the end, not the side.

edit: I see that it's not mylar'd or painted, get that done asap. Should is right again, you're losing light to the brownness

On another note, I don't know about using a cardboard box as cab/tent/grow space. It just seems like a potential fire hazard that should be avoided, especially since it's YOUR house

Also, what type of soil/mix have ya got there?

Ugh, I forgot, I have more to say! And apologies to Killer, as this is his grow, not Bozo's as I mistyped before.

Instead of your highly flammable paper box, maybe try setting up a small PVC frame of the dimensions you require, then wrap it in mylar emergency blankets. It isn't light-proof, and neither is your current, but it works well and looks neat when all closed up. You see a dimmed version of your garden that you don't have to squint at!

When 12/12 comes around you'll need to think of something a bit more complicated. Probably start scheming now, if I were you.

edit: One last thing, maybe get rid of a few of those just to keep things on a smaller scale? Personally I would do 5 or 6 and hope for half females. After that's established, mom it up and clone your ass off

i would say, based on my limited experience and some extensive reading, that those are called 'seedlings', now seedlings just don't need that much light, in fact, just putting them on a tray under the window and out of the direct sunlight would be great. try to remember that they are BABIES, you don't treat your babies like you would mature ladies.
also, Simon's idea about moving into a better home is a good one, although, if you can get it, Panda plastic would be better than emergency blankets, it's white on the inside and black on the outside and if you do it right, it will be light proof. also, if you do make the move, you will need to make sure and add some ventilation in the new box.
anyway, good luck. keep it up and keep us informed

bozo,
peace, love, dope

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peace, love, dope

'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
my imaginary garden, my cheap & easy diy cloner

GreenPassion.com
be advised, these are the meanderings of a mad man, completely imaginary and should in no way be taken seriously, especially Leo

Thanks for the much needed advice. I plan on probably getting some mylar or painting the box white on my day off. I just hate going to all the hydro shops around here because the cops just stake them out. I plan on continuing to use the box for now because for right now it seems to be do the job. I read on this forum and other forums of people using cardboard boxes (the bulbs are rated at 110 F and the box should definetly beabout withstand 125 F temps. I also plan on reducing the number of babies until i have 6-8 healthy ones (i rather start with a high number and seed out the weak). As for the lightproof issue i can barely see anylight in the position it is in the closet, and i dont plan of flowering in the box and i probably wont flower in the rubbermaid either. I considering going with a 600w cool tube for flowering when my lease is up next month and i move by myself. Thanks once again for answering my questions. See u all soon
Killa12345

PS. I origanally was going to the the emergency blanket on PVC before the box but i heard the blankets retain to much heat which is a real problem where i live...Temps at 8:30 am 87F and its only May

The soil mix is a seedling mix i got at walmart for $2 then mixed it with a 1/4 perlite, but the plants were started and still sit in jiffy pellets.

ive tried the seedling mix without the perlite and the soil seemed to retain to much water. Even with the perlite i water each cup 3oz of water with a turkey baster and they looked a little saggy. I dont plan on watering for another 2days or every 3 days. The next watering ill only give them 2 oz next time and check on them daily.

check out Zebulon's little cardboard box, it may inspire you.
here's a link to one of his threads
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-grow-log.html
read through it, it's a few pages long but it has LOTS of useful and inspiring info

bozo,
peace, love, dope

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bozo,
peace, love, dope

'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
my imaginary garden, my cheap & easy diy cloner

GreenPassion.com
be advised, these are the meanderings of a mad man, completely imaginary and should in no way be taken seriously, especially Leo

So i took should's advice i woke and saw the post i found a brand new can of flat white paint in my garage.....Painted the box white.....took all but 10 min it a roller and 2inch paint brush.......let it dry for like 2 hrs.

Left came back home and i dont know if its just me but all the babies really perked up instead of leaning toward the light...even the babies in the back....Thanks i really never thought it would make a difference this fast but i guess flat white paint goes along way.

By the way, most of the babies are getting their second set of true leaves....Thanks for the advice....ill be posting pics in a day or two.

glad you liked Zeb's log too, i thought you'd find it helpful

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'it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice'
'man made alcohol, God made weed, who do you trust?'
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GreenPassion.com
be advised, these are the meanderings of a mad man, completely imaginary and should in no way be taken seriously, especially Leo

ive come to a crossroad in my grow....i just ordered 20 seeds from dr. chronic. White label's double bubble and white skunk hoppefully they are good strains and my seeds actually come...Ive heard only good things about dr. chronic i thought id go cheap until i know they will come...then i will purchase some more exotic strains.....heres were the crossroad come im going to continue this grow until the seeds get here which at that time i might start the new seeds or i might let this first grow continue for experience....i just dont know what im growing now but i hope its good.

Nice bro, you are a little further along than I am, but we both started on similar routes. I hope to procure some 'premium' seeds soon either as a gift, or possibly a favor, but I think I am going to let my bag seed grow run it's entirety.

Reason being, curiosity. Besides, you started something, so finish it. I am excited about eventually reaping what I have sown, lol

Well guys its day 4 of veg and the third set of leaves seem to be a purplish brown i dont know what the problem is....if there is one.....i rotated the plants with the purplish leaves with some of the smaller plants in the back till i find some answers. i removed the mutant out of the box. it had its baby leaves around the true leaves for like 3 days, but i did look at the rooting system and the plant looked to have healthy roots(about 20 different shoots going further then half way down the cup)...The soil still felt a little moist but a tad dry on top....ill probably hold off watering for another day.

Please any feedback on the 3rd set of leaves turning this color would definetly be appeciated.. Here are some pics.

Last night before i went to sleep i looked at my babies and most of them seemed very droopy......Usually from most of the pics the plants are usually very perky and the leaves usually reach for the light.....My conclusion is underwatering just a little....the soil seems very dry....so i woke up this morning plants are still droopy so i will water today 2oz and try to water every other day.....my last watering was on monday with 3oz each plant which seemed to much for every other day watering, but to little for water every third day.....Have a good day peeps and stay tuned it...

Well guys it looks like im on my own. No one is really leaving comments or saying anything, but i will continue the log because i see people are looking just not commenting..please i need it to stay organized with my thoughts

Well its Day 8 since the seeds popped out of their lovely little jiffy pellets. 6 of the 12 are getting their 4th set of leaves while the others are still on their third set of leaves. I bought a moisture meter to make sure the soil was damp enough.

2 babies are starting curling downward but are still growing..I think this was due to letting the soil dry out to much....these 2 plants heve been the runts throughout the grow till this point so i thought i leave them in the box till day 14.

on a good note......all my friends who have grows going which told me to wait for clones are all starting to come through...Hopefully in the next few days i might have some clones of pink or strawberry cotton candy, og black haze (which is a local strain that been around probably over 30 yrs. and is some of the best bud ive ever smoke except that it takes usually over 12 wks. to flower), and the origanal sour diesel ( which my friend said he got from one of his long time NY grower) We will see though i been promised clones for the last 2 weeks, and is the reason i ordered seeds last week.

I also added 2 drops of superthrive to 1 gallon tap water to help with root stimulation.

I continued to water each plant 2oz of water every other day which seems to be working.

Here are the pics.....Please leave advice or comments...i could really use some confidence....being my first solo grow.

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Heres some pics of my droopy plant

And all the pics from above are pics right before today watering..

2nd pic below is all the babies in da box
till next time

killa12345

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