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d4twamp · #**251** (**permalink**) Aug-22-2008, 14:45

Stealth, maybe your insect opposition is on the run from FAY and lookin for refuge in the cultivation station...lol... hope the storm isn't effecting you guys out there...

MMMMMMM SOUR D beans, make sure to pack that strain with you guy's for your cross country trek to the golden state... I'd love to take a SD mother under my wing in my womans refuge...olo...
later d

d4twamp · #**252** (**permalink**) Aug-22-2008, 14:51

hey SNS crew,

I was also having a fungus gnat problem, at the hydro store they had some stuff called NOGNAT it's suppose to be for both dirty and wet applications. just wondering if you've heard of it...But it seems the P-BOMB may have taken care of it.

later D

BeFree · #**253** (**permalink**) Aug-22-2008, 14:57

Good deal on the annihilation of the midges. *phew*

And the ladies are looking mighty mighty fine.

Have a good one and Be Safe, bud.

hydrocannabis · #**254** (**permalink**) Aug-22-2008, 16:15

dammmmmm dude. they R looking great.

SnSstealth · #**255** (**permalink**) Aug-23-2008, 17:39

thanks hydro

WT

upNsmoke2 · #**256** (**permalink**) Aug-23-2008, 18:04

from the other ..db..

good bye my friend

Weedhound · #**257** (**permalink**) Aug-23-2008, 22:40

Holy Tamoly Stealth.....I really HAVE been out of touch. Thanks for the taking the time to fill me in.

Hope that aquarium sand works for you....I never would have thought of that.

lunarose · #**258** (**permalink**) Aug-24-2008, 20:34

We get swarms og gnats every spring here in cali they did a real number on my first grow...I still have nightmares(G) The sand works well but can be a pain when you go to water. I used weed cloth that I have cut to cover the soil weighed down with a good layer of perlite.

SnSstealth · #**259** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 10:46

Fay must have given the stork a head wind, got the girls a lil too warm...Think life support is failing, give the AK girls another day or 2 maybe. Any suggestions? almost scared to post pics of em...lol

Other clones are appearing to start growing vertically again...Will pluck off the few pistils still on em after the are a lil more rooted scared to tug on em now...

Everything else going ok, other than the same spotting from the first grow...Ph is correct, CANT be over-fert, is it possible that with the CO2, and the LEDs, blah blah blah...that maybe the are deficient? I dunno....maybe Mg def. because they are still growing, but brown spots-to yellowing-to necrosis....psh...

whiskeytango

**stinkyattic** · #**260** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 11:33

I doubt you've got enough light under LEDs to justify CO2- post pics?
Brown spots - rust brown or tan brown? Small or blotchy? Regular or random? Pics...

Weedhound · #**261** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 12:10

Stealth what about UNDERfert?? Is that possible?

Opie Yutts · #**262** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnSstealth

Fay must have given the stork a head wind, got the girls a lil too warm...Think life support is failing, give the AK girls another day or 2 maybe. Any suggestions? almost scared to post pics of em...lol

Bummer, maybe plop a couple in some dirt.

veggii · #**263** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 18:13

plz post pics

veggii · #**264** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 18:42

ran out of edit time oops! anyhow the book i have has two defiiciencies with brown spotting ,
(k)potasium
symptoms

lder leaves (first tips and margins,followed by whole leaves) develop spots,turn dark yellow,and die.Stems often become weak and sometimes brittle.

(mn) manganese
young leaves show symptoms first.
they become yellow between veins(interveinal chlorosis),and the veins remain green.
symptoms spread from younger to older leaves as the deficiency progresses.
Necrotic (dead) spots develop on severly affected leaves which become pale and fall off

verall plant growth is stunted, and maturation may be prolonged.Severe deficiency looks like a severe lack of magnesium.

i quoted that from book
says flush and treat with chelated micronutes
also young and newer growth develop chlortic dark orange to dark rusty brown mottling on leaves.
also says toxicity is compounded by low humidity

hope that might help ya figure it out

SnSstealth · #**265** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 20:16

First 3 pics are the HK and SB, last 2 are the Church, which seems to me to be unrelated...Any ideas? I am starting to think that the first 3 are actually hungry, read deficient, and the Church maybe N?
Any ideas?
whiskeytango

Weezard · #**266** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnSstealth

First 3 pics are the HK and SB, last 2 are the Church, which seems to me to be unrelated...Any ideas? I am starting to think that the first 3 are actually hungry, read deficient, and the Church maybe N?
Any ideas?
whiskeytango

Several syptoms with a common thread.
i e tiny necrotic dots.
Looks like insect damage.
I'd whip out my microscope and look at the bottom of those "freckled" leafs .

From the look of the buds and new growth, you may have already fixed it.
The fan leafs are toast.
No gonna get betta.

The new growth seems happy.
Are they using water and gaining height?

Curious Weeze

veggii · #**267** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 22:55

ok here is a bit on (n) nitrogen def.
nitrogen is most common def.
symptoms include slow growth.
lower leaves cannot produce chlorophyll and become yellow between the veins while the veins remain green.
yellowing progresses through the entire leaf eventually causing it to die and fall off.
stem's and the leaves undersides may turn reddish-purple,
but this can also be a sign of a phosphorous deficiency.

progression at a glance:
older leaves yellow between veins
older bottom leaves turn entirely yellow
more and more leaves yellow.severely affected leaves drop.
leaves might develop reddish-purple stems and veins on underside of leaf.
stealth, plz check the veins under leaves
///////////////////////////////////////////////////
toxicity(overdose)
a overdose of (n) nitrogen will cause excessively lushfoilage that is soft and susceptable to stress including insect!! and fungal attacks.the stems become weak and they may fold over easy. the vascular tissue transport tissue breaks down,and water uptake is restricted.
In severe cases,leaves turn a brownish-copper color,dry,and fall off

the #3 picture are those leaves a blueish-green color ??
I emailed you the phosphorus deficiency " you've got mail" lol
oh ya these are quotes from book

veggii · #**268** (**permalink**) Aug-25-2008, 23:35

I see in my ealier post I did'nt add enough on the Potassium def. after reading the book, it sounds very close to what I see in pictures.

(k)Potassium starved plants initially appear healthy.
Deficient plants are susceptable to disease.
symptoms include the following:
older leaves(first tips and margins,followed by whole leaves) develop spots,turn dark yellow and die.
Stems often become weak and sometimes brittle.
Potassium is usually present in the soil,but is locked in by high salinity.
First,leach the toxic salt out ot the soil and apply a complete n-p-k fertilizer.
potassium deficiency causes the internal temperature of the foilage to climb(heat) andthe protein cells to burn or degrade.
evaporation is normally highest on leaf edges,and thats where the burning takes place.

Progression at a glance
plants appear healthy with dark green foilage.
leaves loose their luster.
branching may increase,but the branches are weak and scrawny.
leaf margins turn grey and progress to a RUSTY-BROWN color,and then curl up and dry.
Yellowing of the older leaves is accompanied by RUST-COLORED blotches!!

toxicity
occurs ocasionally and is difficult to diagnose because it is mixed with the deficiency symptoms of other nutients.
Too much potassium impairs and slows the absorption of magnesium,manganese, and sometimes zinc and iron.
look for signs of toxic-potassium buildup when symptoms of (mg) (mn) (zn) (fe) deficiencies appear.

looks like it might be this one? potassium deficiency caused by ?? nutelockup?? I'm a noobi dont know much

I just qouted from the book cause I wanted to help in someway, gonna read the mg def know

DrSpoof · #**269** (**permalink**) Aug-26-2008, 06:57

!!!

Don't die little plants! You want to live!

DrSpiggity

SnSstealth · #**270** (**permalink**) Aug-26-2008, 07:58

lol...they will live...I just want them to not be stunted bad.
whiskeytango

SnSstealth · #**271** (**permalink**) Aug-26-2008, 09:10

There's some red going on in the leaf stems and even the main stem too...
whiskeytango

**stinkyattic** · #**272** (**permalink**) Aug-26-2008, 09:31

Maaaaan, they be root bound! Look at those leaves!

SnSstealth · #**273** (**permalink**) Aug-26-2008, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Maaaaan, they be root bound! Look at those leaves!

just the yellow leafed church or all of them? all others were transplanted from 1 to 3 gal pots 3 weeks ago. dont really have the space to go bigger, but today we'll repot the church (w/rocks this time

) and see what the roots look like.

gotta work, if you can think of anything else let us know
thanks again, again, again...
db

**stinkyattic** · #**274** (**permalink**) Aug-26-2008, 10:16

No rocks, perlite. Lots of perlite!!! And drain holes. Extra ones. The downward-cupped leaves mean rootbound. Just slide the plants out of their homes to check and see. Do a soil runoff test too.
Some of that low yellowing may be caused by insufficient light to those leaves as well.

SnSstealth · #**275** (**permalink**) Aug-26-2008, 10:20

so i should get 5 gal pots for em? didnt think they would get root bound, they just got transplanted from 1 to 3 gal a few weeks ago...
WT

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