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Aug-26-2008, 10:24
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thanks stinky. they sell perilite at regular stores? cuz the grow store is too far away for the budget.
been doing lots of reading and future soils coming in to the room will be different. dont know what yet but florida and "non-sterilized" dont go well together. db 
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Aug-26-2008, 12:12
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I saw some perlite @ wallyworld , is there something else that can be used instead of the perlite that works the same as perlite?
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Aug-26-2008, 12:17
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Vermiculite is ALMOST as good but you can get perlite pretty much anywhere, including home depot. I'm actually surprised you aren't using it yet- if I'd known that I would have told you ages ago! I think a lot of your problems have been from lack of soil lightener actually; root rot forms in wet heavy soil. It doesn't need to be STERILE, but it needs to be FRIABLE and LIGHT.
Just check the root ball...
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Aug-26-2008, 12:50
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lighten up
whats up WT & DB,
In my soil grows I used both perlite and vermiculite mixed into the soil, well actually soil and coco mix. Have you heard of the brand ROYAL GOLD they make a mix called BASEMENT MIX very light, w/ lots of perlite and lava rock the roots of my seedlings thrive in this mix along w/ a lil OREGONISM XL... Then when their ready to transplant I go to something hotter, and less lighter like MENDO MIX from ROYAL GOLD or AMAZON BLOOM don't know if it's available in FL. Next time I do a soil grow I'm gonna try the soil mixes from the ROOTS ORGANICS line I'm pretty sure it's only available out this way, I have seen some of their products online though. later D 
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Aug-26-2008, 13:14
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veggii, perlite helps add air to the soil, and vermiculite helps maintain moisture. I stopped using vermiculite except for germination and rooting.
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Aug-26-2008, 13:17
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we have been using the roots too....seems just as hot and tight as FFoF alone...seems to be my only issue i guess...Stuck finger in pot...packed n wet still, so there ya go!
Gonna drill hella holes in it today, and add perlite to the clones that are getting transplanted soon thanks to all for the help, I am sure this rootbound/water-logged issue will solve the rest, everything was tip-top other wise. temp, Ph, rh... whiskeytango
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Aug-26-2008, 13:49
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hey opie ty, I want too find something other than perlite,as I reuse soil for outdoor veggie garden and lots of people see it and leo picks up on the perlite,any other organic stuuf can use inplace of perlite, opie?
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Aug-26-2008, 15:23
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later, D
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Aug-26-2008, 16:52
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pumice or expanded clay, though the latter will retain more moisture, so don't use with much vermiculite, if any. Also there is crude perlite, which is not expanded and more the color of soil. Don't know where to find it.
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Aug-26-2008, 16:55
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Hey veggii, what about spreading a bunch of perlite out on a sheet of cardboard and spray painting it soil color? Spray lightly as to not fill in the holes. I know, I'm definitely outside of the box.
Oh yeah, what I do about perlite standing out is to mulch or cover it with some dead grass or leaves. Mulching has lots of other benefits anyway.
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Aug-26-2008, 18:27
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Wholite wherelit, uptight for Perlite
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No stress about perlite. It's not gonna trigger Leo, the louse. It's a very common item. Something you find around the house.  Gardeners have been fluffing their soil with it for 30+ years. Don't know if it's effective for blocking gnat n midges though. Its much more usefull mixed with the dirt, When using LEDs, us cheap buggahs won't waste watts. I always used something white or reflective to cover those dirty pots. I'm using CDs now to cover my rockwool and hydrotron. Stops algae, reflects lots of light and annoys bugs. Looks pretty  too.Ciao fo' now. Al O'Ha
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Aug-26-2008, 18:42
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Aug-26-2008, 18:58
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Thanks guys!! Think the 3-4 days of tropical coverings on the pots took care of said midges and such..
The Church went into a WELL drilled Gro-Depot 5 gal bucket, with Roots Organic and added about 40% perlite to said soil. Loosened up the rootball a bit and set her in...she should be fine All the other pots also got 8-14 3/4in holes drilled in the pots, and the sand taken off, Im sure it wasn't helping the waterlogged issue...All the dirt mix in the other pots are PACKED...So some skewer stabbin will be going on in those pots tonight... whiskeytango
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Aug-27-2008, 10:56
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Feel free to chastise, but I went hari-kari on these root balls with some thin wooden skewers. Had to. The root balls were all ROCK hard...You were right again stinks
 So with all the extra 3/4in holes, and the stabbing, the rest of the girls should be fine till harvest...I hope. The Church definitely should recover... They all got a LIGHT feeding this morning too, not enough to drain out even whiskeytango 15 of the 18 clones I took are rooted and going strong...I already FIMed the mother potentials, going bush/bonsai for the mums...So I guess ALL is not lost if worst case scenario occurs...
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Aug-27-2008, 18:29
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good sounds like your back on track,keep a eye on them tho just incase!
you had fun stabbin them didn't you!! lol
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Aug-28-2008, 07:58
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It was more of a "this will hurt me more than it hurts you" kinda thing.....lol
whiskeytango
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Aug-28-2008, 10:00
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Spray painting perlite will do a couple things:
-Make it less porous and change its physical properties -Introduce a potential source of toxins into your system. If you don't take paints/solvents seriously, google 'hydrohut syndrome'... that wasn't even in CONTACT with actual plants... Vermiculite is brown and less visible as a waste product. It's not as good as raw perlite, but hella better than painted perlite.
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Aug-28-2008, 13:10
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I would have to agree with Stinky, wouldn't painting the perlite defeat it's purpose...
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Aug-28-2008, 13:38
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For the record, that was a side conversation, I have no intentions of painting perlite...lol
WT
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Aug-28-2008, 13:45
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I thought they were removing vermeculite from the market because of health/asbestos issues. Anyone heard anything along that line about perlite as well?
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Aug-28-2008, 13:50
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I knew that Whiskey, I should have directed it to I think vegii was the one lookin to camo his perlite. sorry for the confusion, if any...
So were you guys serious, I recall a mention in some thread about the the stealth crew considering a future hydro grow... A hydro/led/lst... I'd subscribe to that thread in 2 tenths of a heartbeat... Keep being good w/ the ladies D
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Aug-28-2008, 13:54
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Haven't heard of anything with the vermiculite or perlite, but a while back the owner of one of the hydro stores in town told me that she talked to a sales rep and they told her that higromite had some asbestos in it... Don't have any proof to back that up, I have looked online to see if I can find any info but have had no luck
later D
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Aug-28-2008, 14:47
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Yes, yes...between WHs gargantuans, and Stinks suggestions/success has gotten me to CONSIDER getting wet...
I know, I know, I give dro guys shit alot...but I am learning more and more about it. And I can still keep my medicine organic, just shorten flower times and clean up a lot less. Keep your eyes peeled D4..... whiskeytango
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Aug-28-2008, 15:11
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In general, you should ALWAYS wear a dust mask when mixing media, no matter what it is, and also keep a spray bottle handy to mist it and keep the dust down. Asbestos is dangerous when it becomes airborne; keep your medium damp and your face covered and you are pretty safe.
I got the worst double sinus infection of my life from mixing bat guano and mycostim without a mask once... 6 weeks later, I had learned my lesson. 
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Aug-28-2008, 15:45
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SnS,
I'd love to see you give hydro a try. I know you wouldn't be disappointed. My advice would be to just do something small and simple at first to check stuff out and get the hang of it. Stinky, Most people don't realize how dangerous guano is. Since there are so many safe alternatives I don't even consider using it due to the health risks. Anyone handling it should have a full hood respirator. Don't look at it, and don't breath while near it. Research this shit if you don't believe me. veggi, I know my perlite changes color after a few feedings, it gets brown. Maybe a nute soak?
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