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daihashi · #26 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 16:46

bleh.. so It looks like I have 1 decent/normal plant out of 11 seeds.

I have 3 others that look normal but have blackening around the edges of the leaves and the new leaves are coming out kind of greyish/black and the remaining 7 plants are deformed in some way.

I have 3 from the 6 I germinated sprouting and I have 3 more in the rapid rooters waiting to sprout. Hopefully I'll have some winners in that bunch.

I may have to change my plans this grow incase things don't work out. I may just LST with some liquid light and make a really good mother to where I can get 20 cuttings at one time, let them root very well, then let them veg for 2 weeks before doing a SOG flower.

As long as I can get at least 1 good plant from this I'll be happy because I can make plenty more after that.

Weedhound · #27 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 16:58

Dai can you put up a photo? That sounds wrong....even with junk seeds. You should get at least half good ones.

daihashi · #28 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Dai can you put up a photo? That sounds wrong....even with junk seeds. You should get at least half good ones.

I'll go grab one right now.

Weedhound · #29 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:00

Dang it son I've lost your email.....email me if you still have mine.....

daihashi · #30 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Dang it son I've lost your email.....email me if you still have mine.....

I'm sure I have it.. I have to find it. Here are some pics of the plants. All the seedlings in the rapid rooters are deformed. I couldn't get a good picture of them for some reason.

The other 6 pots have 4 plants that look normal but have weird black discoloration on them. 1 plant is just straight up deformed, and 1 plant looks like how I think they should look.

daihashi · #31 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:18

The close up in this one is how I believe they should all look. This one looks fairly healthy when compared to the rest of them.

daihashi · #32 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:21

FYI, I'm growing in Canna Coco presoaked in PH 6.0 water, watering once a day with ph 6.0 water.

There are no nutes in the coco, it is inert pretty much and will take on the ph properties of whatever you feed it. They say treat coco similar to hydro and I've been kind of been doing that following the guidelines at ICmag.

I don't know the EC of my water, I could move to distilled with calmag if needed though, I have both on hand.

Weedhound · #33 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:41

Coco.....my mortal enemy. I know ZERO about coco. I swear that looks like a ph issue to me. Most of the time my kids crack looking normal.....and then funk up later.

I've always had the questions of this....are Rapid rooters hydro or soil? So are you supposed to use soil ph or hydro ph with them?

I've always used regular water when things are in RR....ph approximately 6.6.....not r o or distilled but I HAVE put them then into my hydro setup at baby age and then begun watering them with something along the ph of 5.7 and they do fine as well.

That just LOOKS like a ph issue to me. Perhaps try watering your kids with normal water but ph'd to 6.5-6.6 and see if it makes a difference.

There shouldn't be a nute issue at this stage....it has to be ph somehow.

STINKY!!

Weedhound · #34 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:42

And if you can in some way.....check the runoff of the water from the rr's......just curious......

Weedhound · #35 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:46

Some of those kids DO HAVE the funked up look I have come to know.

Hmmm.....I don't hold out alot of hope for those........unless someone else can spot the issue.....it COULD be the seeds with those tweaky looks.....

Send me an email when you have a chance. We may have to start over with something different than these sucky little devils.

daihashi · #36 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:47

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Coco.....my mortal enemy. I know ZERO about coco. I swear that looks like a ph issue to me. Most of the time my kids crack looking normal.....and then funk up later.

I initially though PH also, but my run off checks out to be 6.0

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I've always had the questions of this....are Rapid rooters hydro or soil? So are you supposed to use soil ph or hydro ph with them?

I've been told to treat it as hydro. While in the rapid rooters I feed with PH 5.9 water. I heard the roots really like it better in the RR.

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That just LOOKS like a ph issue to me. Perhaps try watering your kids with normal water but ph'd to 6.5-6.6 and see if it makes a difference.

There shouldn't be a nute issue at this stage....it has to be ph somehow.

Definitely not nute related. If it wasn't for the history of the seeds I'd post this problem at ICmag but I would like to narrow down my problem somewhat before I go post pics of my mutated plants.. heh

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STINKY!!

STINK!!!!!!! HALP!

daihashi · #37 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:50

Also is it possible I introduced them to the MH too soon? They all seemed to have a pretty good root system built up in the Rapid Rooters.

They are approximately 9 days old from when the tap root first broke through the seed. They sat under CFLs for 6 days and friday evening I moved them under the MH.

Was this too premature? I did my entire Veg with CFL's last time so I'm not sure if I'm shocking them with too much light at once. They're under a 400 watt MH right now.

SnSstealth · #38 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:51

D...looks to me like your using Hydro Ph levels in soil. I have always kept my soil plants 6.7-7.0.But IMHO the Ph is way off....
Other than that, most of my SNLxNH also got the purpleish new growth, and funky grow patterns, wacked out leaves and such.
whiskeytango

Weedhound · #39 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:53

I don't think it's you dai.....i think it may be your seeds and/or something about coco that I just don't know about. But I wouldn't put it past those buggers to just grow funky to make life hard......a good half of mine have been useless devils.

edit: I don't think it's your lighting but how far away from the mh are they? They don't look burned.....it's just looks like a ph thing. They're curly even for my freaky little devils

PS....you've recently calibrated your ph meter of course.......just typing out loud......

daihashi · #40 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:55

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

D...looks to me like your using Hydro Ph levels in soil. I have always kept my soil plants 6.7-7.0.But IMHO the Ph is way off....
Other than that, most of my SNLxNH also got the purpleish new growth, and funky grow patterns, wacked out leaves and such.
whiskeytango

Coco is technically goes by neither. This is from a sticky from ICmag in their Coco specific forum:

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i just thought it could be nice to start a thread with tips for growing in coco - but using handwatering and pots..

since im kind of busy i thought this could run on a question and answer basis - also if other growers feel like chipping in with their bit it would be cool.

first of with the do's and dont's:

do check ur PH! - range from 5.5 to 6.5 works really well
do make sure you use nutes specific for coco! - this will give the best results and easy of use.
do make sure you use pots big enough for the watering intervals you want to have. bigger pots means less watering.
do make sure you have some run off when watering. about 10-15% is enough.
do make sure the coco never gets dry - this is a hydro medium. watering often gives better results.

DONT treat coco like a soil grow.

growing in coco gives great results outdoors also. it slightly more expensive than soil growing - but the end results will speak for them selves. huge yields and lots of flavour!

daihashi · #41 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:56

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

I don't think it's you dai.....i think it may be your seeds and/or something about coco that I just don't know about. But I wouldn't put it past those buggers to just grow funky to make life hard......a good half of mine have been useless devils.

edit: I don't think it's your lighting but how far away from the mh are they? They don't look burned.....it's just looks like a ph thing. They're curly even for my freaky little devils

PS....you've recently calibrated your ph meter of course.......just typing out loud......

Even if I can get one it will be ok. I can milk that sucker for all the side shoots she's worth

SnSstealth · #42 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:56

DONT treat coco like a soil grow.....HA! OK, never did coco, I stand corrected. As far as that strain though, its the beans, not you
whiskeytango

SnSstealth · #43 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:57

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Originally Posted by daihashi

Even if I can get one it will be ok. I can milk that sucker for all the side shoots she's worth

Thats what I am going for!!

whiskeytango

daihashi · #44 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:58

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

DONT treat coco like a soil grow.....HA! OK, never did coco, I stand corrected. As far as that strain though, its the beans, not you
whiskeytango

You said that yours eventually did grow out of this funkiness right?

SnSstealth · #45 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 17:59

Nope, I havent had one make it yet, but I only did batches of 6-10 before. Not lookin too good.
By the way, all these phrases are underlined on my screen now, and everytime I accidentally click one it takes me to another page....annoying as hell
whiskeytango

Weedhound · #46 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 18:05

That IS annoying as hell......I just noticed it myself too Stealth.

Yeah....I dont' like the look of those either Dai.....I'd be more sure if I knew about coco but I don't .......sorry......

Yes you have to kiss a lot of frogs.......but you may need a few more frogs to start with. And different kinds of frogs as well.

daihashi · #47 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

That IS annoying as hell......I just noticed it myself too Stealth.

Yeah....I dont' like the look of those either Dai.....I'd be more sure if I knew about coco but I don't .......sorry......

Yes you have to kiss a lot of frogs.......but you may need a few more frogs to start with. And different kinds of frogs as well.

If these don't work out I'm going to just break down and buy 3 different strains with similar flower times, but I'm hoping at least one makes it. I'd like to keep this as one of mothers at least. Everything I've read about this strain makes it sound like it really packs a punch.

Weedhound · #48 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 18:20

When it all comes together its a GREAT strain imo.....I LOVE it myself but have had the same issues as Stealth getting them to finish.

I'm about to start a new log as well so I'm off to take photos of my SNL x NH and haze plants. Watch out for a new log today or tomorrow.

Dai, I'll keep an eye and hope you figure things out.

SnSstealth · #49 (**permalink**) Sep-07-2008, 20:54

Its hard to notice new logs now, I have had one up a while, lol...So feel free to jack any of mine to link your new one WH.... Ill pop the rest of my SNLxNH in about 10 days, so we can all see. Who knows, I got the magic touch, lol...Got the church to go, got clones now.

Dai...we have mutual friends, Im sure someone reading this can give ya my email...Storks are flying around a lot lately

whiskeytango

daihashi · #50 (**permalink**) Sep-08-2008, 10:44

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

Its hard to notice new logs now, I have had one up a while, lol...So feel free to jack any of mine to link your new one WH.... Ill pop the rest of my SNLxNH in about 10 days, so we can all see. Who knows, I got the magic touch, lol...Got the church to go, got clones now.

Dai...we have mutual friends, Im sure someone reading this can give ya my email...Storks are flying around a lot lately

whiskeytango

I've asked for it to be passed along.

On a plant note, I went ahead and moved the plants 6 more inches back from the light since that was the only thing I was slightly unsure of.

Out of the 6 seeds only 5 germinated and all 5 of those have broken through the top of the rapid rooter. Let's see if I can get more than 1 plant that is worthy to become a mother.

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