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danish · #76 (**permalink**) Sep-14-2008, 16:49

Crossing fingers for both you the g/f and your plants through the hurricane, will check back for this grow

daihashi · #77 (**permalink**) Sep-14-2008, 20:32

Ok.. so I've regained internet access on my Sprint Air card so here are a few updates:

My place is fine with the exception of one of the front windows being broken out. Not a big deal, got some water inside but no serious damage that I could see.

Just about all of houston is without power right now, so I still do not have power to light my plants.

When I checked on the plants last night they were very moist. And suprisingly they've grown a TON in the dark. I really can't wait to get the lights back on them. They should have enough water in their pots to last them another day. Turning off the fans and light + drowning the plants in water seems to have been a good strategy for keeping them alive. They are looking great, a little droopy but plants always seem to be a bit droopy in the dark.

Beyond that everything is fine at my house. I hope power will be restored soon so I can go back to my house and assess the damage with some more lighting, but for now everything looks about as good as it can look.

I'll give more updates with pics when I get home.

Thanks for checking in everyone.

McToker · #78 (**permalink**) Sep-15-2008, 01:59

Sure glad y'all are safe. Hope you folks see a quick return to normal routines. I guess we don't have a smiley for "including you and your neighbors in our prayers".

d4twamp · #79 (**permalink**) Sep-15-2008, 14:36

don't live around those canes' the only thing Ike's affected for me is the postponing of the WEC event in FL. that and missing the updated pics from those SNLxNH girls or' there D... what is the flowering time on that strain.
btw hope all is well on the home front..

D

daihashi · #80 (**permalink**) Sep-16-2008, 13:54

another update..

plants were dying when I came home... not because of water.. they were still plenty moist.. but rather because of no light.

Leaves are looking sad and yellow. I've placed them near a window in the mean time. Unfortunately I don't have a southbound window I can utilize to catch more sun..

Well I do but it's plywooded up. I'm going to try to take it out with a screwdrive but I used a power drill so I'm not sure how well that's going to go.

Hopefully they'll come back to life soon.. sigh.. fucking hurricane is really screwing alot of things up in my life right now.

jakezking · #81 (**permalink**) Sep-16-2008, 20:35

daihashi, I hope you get everything sorted from Ike. Herricans ain't no fun - trust me I know what I'm talking about. I hope you are able to keep your girls alive, but more importantly I hope the rest of your life comes back into smooth order. Take good care out there, my friend!

italian04 · #82 (**permalink**) Sep-16-2008, 20:57

damn ike sucked. my rents are still down in houston. pretty crazy. daihashi, check out my grow log. my northern brights are lookin mighty fine. gl on ur grow.

daihashi · #83 (**permalink**) Sep-17-2008, 15:32

well.. still no power. I'm down chilling at an ice house on my computer.

A number of my plants are really starting to look pretty sick. I'm going to give them a feeding and ph the water. It looks like lockout situation almost. I'm guessing they didn't like the 7.2 ph tap water my g/f fed them after she ran out of ph'd water.

I'll flush them out and feed them later today.

In the mean time I'm going to enjoy a few beers.

daihashi · #84 (**permalink**) Sep-18-2008, 20:21

Quick update.. don't want to go into detail because I'm exhausted, sick, and worn out... so here we go

I have electricity

Plants aren't looking to great. They are kind of yellow/Green from lack of light and nutrition. It appears a couple of the plants are suffering either from lock out or cal/mag issues. I'm going to go with calmag since I'm growing in coco and it's notorious for leaching it out.

I suppose it could be worse considering I didn't really do much to try to keep the plants alive.

There is some spotting, but I anticipate that the plants will bounce back.

I have 2 seedlings that will make it definitely if nothing else and I can mother those.

I wish I had taken pics of the plants before the storm hit so everyone could see how beautiful they were looking.

I'll probably take pics in about a week or so once they've had some time to recover.

I flushed all the plants with ph 5.7 water and then I fed with the following

3ml Canna Coco nute A
3ml Canna Coco nute B
5ml Calmag
1 gallon of tap water (yes it's safe where I live).

After I flushed the plants I fed them all with 8oz of nuted solution ph'd to 5.8

We'll see how they're doing soon. Their leaves are pretty thin and soft feeling; hopefully the new growth will recover.

On a positive note the root systems of these plants are looking fantastic.

Puffzter · #85 (**permalink**) Sep-18-2008, 22:13

They will bounce back m8 don't you worry.
And isn't it just insane how the roots grow in coco man?

Just make sure you always water with a bit of runoff to ease on the salt build up and fluch once every week or every 10 days when you up the nutes above 1300ppm or so.

Waiting for those pics.

Puffzter

daihashi · #86 (**permalink**) Sep-19-2008, 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puffzter

They will bounce back m8 don't you worry.
And isn't it just insane how the roots grow in coco man?

Just make sure you always water with a bit of runoff to ease on the salt build up and fluch once every week or every 10 days when you up the nutes above 1300ppm or so.

Waiting for those pics.

Puffzter

I do have to say I am truely amazed at how coco effects the root system. These roots look very strong and healthy. And I also have alot more roots than I would normally have in soil after 3 weeks (2 weeks if you subtract my week without power).

Despite the problems from the hurricane, I have to say I am VERY pleased with coco. It is fantastic stuff.

daihashi · #87 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 14:13

Fed the plants today:

1 gallon of tap water
6 ml of CalMag
4ml of Canna Coco Nute A
4ml of Canna Coco Nute B
Ph'd to 5.8 - 5.9 (kept fluxuating between these two for 3 minutes.)

I believe I found my mother plant. This plant, despite all the crap that has happened, is a very good looking plant. It has secondary growth and it's root system looks fantastic. Everything about this plant oozes Awesomness... all I can hope for is that it's not going to be a hermie/male dom plant (these are feminized unstable genetics... so hermies are a very real possibility).

I will give the plants another week or so and then I will give them a week of LST before I cut clones from them all.

The other plants are still looking kind of rough, but that's just because of the damaged leaves. I fully expect all the plants to recover.

One more thing I learned about coco today... you can FEEL how much the plants are drinking!!! This is something that was fairly difficult to do with soil because it occured over a course of days; however with coco you can feel it over the course of 1 day!

The plant I expect to turn into a mother drank a considerable amount of water when compared to the rest of the plants; furthermore this plant was the furthest from the fans/exhaust so I know that the plant actually utilized the water and it was not just wicked away from air blowing over it. I am very pleased with this.

Different plants had different pot weights. This was something I had never noticed before because I had never let the coco get very dry before; however after flushing the plants and then feeding it became obvious that they utilized more water/nute solution than before .

While I will still use an EC/PPM meter to determine how much they're eating.. I would have to say you can probably get a good guesstimate just by lifting the pot when growing in coco.

Do the benefits never end with this medium? I am loving it more and more every day.

daihashi · #88 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 14:16

It feels like these plants have been in veg alot longer (by veg I mean since they popped through the soil), but they've actually only been in veg about 18 days or so.

Weedhound · #89 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:11

I'm a strong DIS-liker of coco myself I'm afraid.

How about photo of the mom in contention?

TheMetal1 · #90 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

I'm a strong DIS-liker of coco myself I'm afraid.

What kind did you use? I've been checking it out a lot lately... and there are a few that have been getting awful reviews. Low pH like a muuuuuufunka. On the other hand... some people are saying it's the best thing since goosefat

And did you use coco specific nutrients?
- actually, can you use soil/hydro nutrients in coco? I'm assuming you can use hydro nutrients since it is soilless.

Edit: Dai... just saw your post below. I feel ya bro. I wasn't defending a side... just an idea. You know you, know what's up . Don't stress... let Mary J do her thing.

BUUUUUUUUUNGGGGG...

daihashi · #91 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weedhound

I'm a strong DIS-liker of coco myself I'm afraid.

How about photo of the mom in contention?

Sure.. why not.. She has some blemishes but I don't think the camera will even pick it up..

sigh; just got out of a frustrating thread. Seeing your post, for some unknown reason, has lifted my spirits. Let me bust out the camera... BRB

Weedhound · #92 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:20

There's two things I want in my grow: control and control.

coco: not enough control to be hydro......too much work to be soil. And I've heard of tons of issues with it......I think Dai just did his homework and headed off a lot of of its potential problems. I think if he'd not had hurricane Ike he most likely would not have had any grow problems at all but that's true I'm sure for ANY medium......not just coco.

daihashi · #93 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMetal1

What kind did you use? I've been checking it out a lot lately... and there are a few that have been getting awful reviews. Low pH like a muuuuuufunka. On the other hand... some people are saying it's the best thing since goosefat

And did you use coco specific nutrients?
- actually, can you use soil/hydro nutrients in coco? I'm assuming you can use hydro nutrients since it is soilless.

It depends on the process they use to make/sterilize the coco. Some coco you have to soak in ph'd water; but if you buy a quality coco like Canna or b'cuzz (I think bcuzz) they do not steam their coco to treat it.. the coco never touches the ground and it is free of pests.

Canna coco is certified by some horticulture agency (pretty big/important from what I last remember but I forgot their name and acronymn).

I have an entire video on coco from Canna explaining the good/bad of coco depending on how it was processed. I'll see if I can encode it and get it up on youtube. It really gives alot of insight even though a large portion of the video is just a commercial for Canna.

Weedhound · #94 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:34

Ha....I'll go get a pic of my gal as well and we'll compare......

daihashi · #95 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weedhound

There's two things I want in my grow: control and control.

coco: not enough control to be hydro......too much work to be soil. And I've heard of tons of issues with it......I think Dai just did his homework and headed off a lot of of its potential problems. I think if he'd not had hurricane Ike he most likely would not have had any grow problems at all but that's true I'm sure for ANY medium......not just coco.

Never done hydro so I can't say much for it, but as far as it being too much work for to be soil.. well I have to strongly disagree. Yes I have to water once a day, but for the lack of problems and incredible growth I've seen in compared to a soil/peat based grow I have to say coco beats it hands down.

I think a lot of the hit/miss people are having with coco is the brand they buy (different manufacturers process differently. You don't want a coco that was processed by steam.) and that they don't understand that coco wants to complete for calcium and I believe more on the slight side.. Nitrogen.

Using coco specific nutes helps with this in addition to supplementing a little extra than usual with calmag. Treat the medium as if it were hydro ( I feed between ph 5.6-5.8 now) and she will do you great. I think a number of people try to treat it like a soil grow and see mediocre/average results.

Had this hurricane not come through I think all my plants would be twice as big and without a single blemish on them. It's a shame ike came through.

However when I make my move into my house in a few weeks I will begin mothering some other strains. Can't wait to see how it performs with no power outages or extreme circumstances preventing my grow from being all it could be.

Pictures coming up. I need to resize the images.

Weedhound · #96 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 15:44

ha ha....I'll say the same thing to you......if you use quality soil you'll have a lot less issues in soil as well, same as coco so I think its a matter of the quality of your equipment.......and with a good soil like FFOF all I really need to know is how often to water.

daihashi · #97 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weedhound

ha ha....I'll say the same thing to you......if you use quality soil you'll have a lot less issues in soil as well, same as coco so I think its a matter of the quality of your equipment.......and with a good soil like FFOF all I really need to know is how often to water.

Different strokes for different folks. I actually used FFOF during flowering and I was not impressed at all. The soil was too hot for me to start out vegging in, and really I felt it was hyped up once I started using it in flower.

Even with perlite it retained a ton of moisture, came prenuted (which I guess is good if you don't mind not knowing how much of each nute you have total sitting in your medium) and was really friggin heavy. It didn't release moisture fast enough for me to water twice a week like I needed to. All in all I was not impressed; at the time though I thought FFOF was pretty good.

Now that I've touched quality coco FFOF looks like crap to me.

Another benefit to growing in coco is... well. it's very hard to outgrow your pot, create ph lockout issues or make conditions where your plant will die.

Had I been growing in soil I am confident I would probably have a number of issues.. Soil pests, stagnant water retained in the soil, root issues (due to not being able to care for the plants).

The coco created the ideal environment for my plants while I was unable to care for them. I don't think I would've had the same luck in soil. After I get this plant turned into a good mother I'll do a side by side Canna coco VS Fox Farms Ocean forest grow. Everything will be identical with the exception of the medium.

And finally.. here are the pics; the plant didn't look as great in the pictures but she looks beautiful in the light. Especially considering what a horrible week she's been through:

You can see her first set of true leaves... They look thin and worn; this is probably due to lack of air circulation, light and other things. There is some very slight calcium def. spotting but the camera didn't pick it up well (you have to be very close to the plant in person to even notice it well).

Considering she didn't have air, light, fresh water or any proper care for a week I'd have to say she's looking kind of sexy.

I'll post new pics of her in about 4-5 days to show how much she's recovered/grown.

2 days ago her leaves were yellowish, she's gotten greener since I fed her/put her back under HID.

daihashi · #98 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMetal1

Edit: Dai... just saw your post below. I feel ya bro. I wasn't defending a side... just an idea. You know you, know what's up . Don't stress... let Mary J do her thing.

BUUUUUUUUUNGGGGG...

I know dude.. I don't harp on people for having a point of view, that's everyone's right. I was pissy because I was trying to initiate a genuine discussion with that guy and he was just being a douche purposefully back to me.

He got a rise out of me.. which I should not have given into. Don't worry, I have no qualms with you or really pretty much anyone on Canna.com despite what people may think about me.

Weedhound · #99 (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 16:10

Lol how funny! Well that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla my father always used to say.

That is a nice plant dai.....no signs of that curly crap that these gals sometimes give me. She should make a great mom.. :thumbusp:

daihashi · #**100** (**permalink**) Sep-20-2008, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Lol how funny! Well that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla my father always used to say.

That is a nice plant dai.....no signs of that curly crap that these gals sometimes give me. She should make a great mom.. :thumbusp:

Thanks, I have plenty of the curlies as well.. lol I was going to chop them but I figured I might as well finish them while I'm mothering this one plant. It will give me some bud I wouldn't ordinarily have.

I have 2 other potential mothers. They are just babies in comparison to this one. But they came out great and are not doing that swirly crap either like most of the other ones.

We'll see.

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