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Weedhound · #26 (**permalink**) Oct-26-2008, 13:20

Have you had a chance to try any of the Church in your pipe or vape?

I think mine is mixed with PP......doesn't have those big lovely leaves the other one had.

Is your church SUPER SKUNKY smelling?

WhiskeyTango · #27 (**permalink**) Oct-26-2008, 16:56

Mine is from the originals, not the mix. The mixed ones arent popped yet. This is all from the same cut of the solo seed that made it when no others would germ. She has the big ass leaves, lol.....Oh does she.
The smell....is VERY strong. Almost incense(y). Very clean, in the woods kinda smell. LEDs might have interfered with the terpene production, not many of what I gre under those smelled. But the Church...She is by far the reekiest(?) girl grown in here. Even in veg, she stank so nice

Haven't vaped yet, but she retains the incensey smell transitioning to like a piney fresh forest kinda smell.

Weedhound · #28 (**permalink**) Oct-26-2008, 19:02

ha ha told you! She'll stink you out of house and home.......

WhiskeyTango · #29 (**permalink**) Oct-26-2008, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

ha ha told you! She'll stink you out of house and home.......

Yall can get mad and yell TMI all ya want, but sometimes the smell was sooooo strong from the Church, that after 1 or 2 minutes in the flwoering room, I had to take a shit..LMAO
Come on, I know you guys have had that happen. A really strong smell makin ya poo. Its not a bad smell, just so damn OVERPOWERING that it tickles ya gut...heh

veggii · #30 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 00:39

wt why did you change from the FF/OC soil what kind of problems ?
and are you having a bunch of gnats with the MG soil?
and I see you've added 2 HPS lights are the Leds not producing ?
and thats a killer deal $250 for a 600watt cool tube, I want one.
In da future you gonna get a 4x4x8 tent or box and setup like shaggy?
you could accept his challenge and do a soil grow and beat his 4lbs indoor
I would like too myself just soo broke can't buy anything. cya.. good luck

WhiskeyTango · #31 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 09:34

FFoF=too exspensive+ too many gnats+to hot

MG=just fine

daihashi · #32 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 09:40

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTango

FFoF=too exspensive+ too many gnats+to hot

MG=just fine

Soon you'll just come over to the dark side entirely. I have to admit that the darkside of the force looks better and better these days

WhiskeyTango · #33 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 11:57

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Originally Posted by daihashi

Soon you'll just come over to the dark side entirely. I have to admit that the darkside of the force looks better and better these days

lol...

d4twamp · #34 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 12:11

Yes... Strong the Darkside is

, my dirty friend...

Do I sense a disturbance in the force...

D

WhiskeyTango · #35 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 12:35

I am doing extensive DWC reading right now...shhhhh

d4twamp · #36 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 13:52

Seems we all are these days...

Hey Whiskey T your secret is safe with me...

d4twamp · #37 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 13:55

Keep on absorbing the knowledge of the Dark side of the force, my young wet padawan...lol...

Weedhound · #38 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 14:47

Two biggest drawbacks in hydro....imho

1. Has to be monitored at LEAST daily; preferably twice a day for best results
2. Can get expensive.

WhiskeyTango · #39 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Two biggest drawbacks in hydro....imho
1. Has to be monitored at LEAST daily; preferably twice a day for best results
2. Can get expensive.

Basically the 2 reasons I havent, lol...And taste, still waiting for some hydro to prove me wrong, but I havent smoked it yet...

daihashi · #40 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Two biggest drawbacks in hydro....imho

1. Has to be monitored at LEAST daily; preferably twice a day for best results
2. Can get expensive.

Do you mean expensive initially? Because it seems the cost is all initial investment which would breakdown pretty cheaply over several grows.. compared to buying bag after bag of quality soil (FFoF).

I just like the idea of having a completely reusable medium instead of having to find ways to throw away dirt. That and it's easier to flush out 1 resevoir and mix up nutrient solution than it is to constantly have to drag plants to and from the bathroom.

At least that's my reason for wanting to take a dip into the darkside.

d4twamp · #41 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 16:26

I agree both ways...The initial investment sucks but after that it's all nutes...Gotta spend the money on nutes for soil or coco anyways...

The more you watch your stuff the better it'll come out agreed, but in my first attempt at hydro We ran a ebb n flow table with no ph pen (just the drops) completely blind on the PPM's or E.C., due to not having a pen, and got far better results than I thought I would, for not having the right equip. and poor conditions in the room...

Cleaned out the res once a week gave new nutes and topped off once or twice a week with PH'd water and checked Ph every 1-3 days with no I'll effects no root rot or no obvious deficiencies...

I don't now if it was the nutes cuz We just ran a clear plastic tote w/ 6" net pots just sitting in it, and a 18 Gal rubbermaid res w/ a submers. pump, no air stones at all either. Some of the densest and sweetest tasting buds I've smoked in years..No taste of leftover nutes...I couldn't believe bud like that came outta my computer room...lol..

.But I'm giving a lot of credit to the nutes cuz just went into the whole grow blind... Can't wait to get it on and poppin again...I see big things for the future of my newly remodeled and still under construction grow space...Damn Somebody shut me up...can't stop typing...if yall were here right now I'd be " blah blah blah blah"...can't shut me up sometimes...sorry

D

p.s. like Dai I like the fact of re-using the medium. No soil to buy for the next grow...If you think about it the plant gets no nutritional value from the soil alone, the soil just act's as a reservoir to hold the nute solution...I say cut out the middle man so the roots can use both Oxygen and H2o quicker and more efficiently...DAMN there I go again...

D

WhiskeyTango · #42 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 18:00

Not arguing either of those points..Hmmm
I got a yard for the dirt, lol...planting a garden too. Me back will be hurtin for sure...but playing in the dirt is fun too. Maybe if I go DWC, I can get a kiddie sandbox for my backyard...throw some nice organic mix in there....go roll around a bit...

Weedhound · #43 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 18:24

Not really initially Dai, compared to the costs of nutes and things. It also depends on how many "extras" you use as well......and we use them ALL; from Liquid Karma to Sweet to Rhizotonic and Cannazym so I think that's what I meant more by "expensive" compared to soil growing.

Was talking to X-C the other day.......didn't realize that FFOF soil was made in Humboldt County. We only pay $13.00 retail a bag for it but I understand the price really jumps on the other side of the country.

daihashi · #44 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Not really initially Dai, compared to the costs of nutes and things. It also depends on how many "extras" you use as well......and we use them ALL; from Liquid Karma to Sweet to Rhizotonic and Cannazym so I think that's what I meant more by "expensive" compared to soil growing.

Was talking to X-C the other day.......didn't realize that FFOF soil was made in Humboldt County. We only pay $13.00 retail a bag for it but I understand the price really jumps on the other side of the country.

FFoF is about 22 bucks here in Texas where I live. Hydro nutes and soil nutes seem very comparable in price; I was using sweet but switched to canna's version called "boost", Rhizotonic I use to get the plants going and cannazym I only use on an as need basis and I'd imagine that to be true with hydro also.

Really it seems that it would be about the same price along nutrient lines and cheaper if you consider the non recurring cost of having to buy a medium.

It's probably something I'd have to experience doing a hydro grow to understand what you mean.

Luckily I'm a stickler for recording what all my costs are. I even have a breakdown of my KWH usage for my equipment in addition for Estimated KWH for my central A/C in relation to the additional room I have to cool. I will be doing a Hydro grow very soon and will have a side by side cost comparison.

I'm sure you're right; it's more expensive, but all in all I can't imagine it costing anymore along the nutrient lines when compared to soil. Many of the things you use in hydro you use in soil also (ph down/up, nutrient line, cannazym for root health and rhizotonic for root stimulation, sweet/molasses/boost for extra carbs and if you want a final flush type product even), I'm sure I'll figure it out soon but I'm so enticed by the dark side even if it costs a little more I won't mind.

The benefits seem to outweigh the cons; at least for my purposes.

Weedhound · #45 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 19:01

Anaylitical (sp?) type folks do well with hydro. My very best friend grows in the cheapest soil she can and does the ignore thing......still ends up with a decent harvest.
She's very familiar with my work but it just isn't worth it to her..........whereas I consider the way she grows much more wasteful. If I'm going to put my time and energy in then I have to make it the biggest, best, shiniest I can along the way.

daihashi · #46 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Anaylitical (sp?) type folks do well with hydro. My very best friend grows in the cheapest soil she can and does the ignore thing......still ends up with a decent harvest.
She's very familiar with my work but it just isn't worth it to her..........whereas I consider the way she grows much more wasteful. If I'm going to put my time and energy in then I have to make it the biggest, best, shiniest I can along the way.

eh.. I'd just rather haul off 1 resevoir to clean out every week instead of hauling around a crap load of plants to the bathroom. To be honest that's my main reason. Second reason is it seems like i would gain benefit in hydro when in a sog type over a soil grow.

My moms will stay in soil however.. or Coco rather. but enough; I've hijacked WT's thread long enough... sorry WT.

WhiskeyTango · #47 (**permalink**) Oct-27-2008, 20:35

Tis good...thanks D, lol.
I actually enjoy the act of gardening, and honestly, I was not joking before.I gotta have my hands in dirt man. Growing just wouldnt be the same. Call me OLD-fashioned, simple, whatever I accept that.

d4twamp · #48 (**permalink**) Oct-28-2008, 00:22

Hey WT, we all gotta do what we know, it's how we gain success... doing what we know we can do well...And we've all seen your success in the past...It can only get better bro...

WhiskeyTango · #49 (**permalink**) Oct-28-2008, 07:56

Thanks D!

d4twamp · #50 (**permalink**) Oct-28-2008, 08:41

What friends are for WT

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